help im in BIG trouble...

[mimimomo]

I agree w/everyone, your girl is too young, her life along w/the puppies lives are in danger. She's not finished w/growing, her pelvic bones are not big enough to give birth, esp to puppies that are sired from a toy poodle. Adult Toy Poodles' average weight is 6-9 #'s & 10" tall & under. This is bigger & taller than the average Yorkie 4-7#'s & 8" tall. I am only guesstimating, bc you have no idea what's behind their lines...
Hope you'll make an informed decision on the best interest of your puppy.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

For the health of your female, have her spayed immediately. You can have that done now and her health will not be at risk from a pregnancy in an essentially immature female. You have no idea what dogs are behind the male or the female, ie., in their pedigrees, and THAT is where the monsters can be lurking. While you may be looking at a small male and a small female, you could have large dogs behind them, and that could really present a problem for your female, giving birth. Dont be deterred by what the vet bill may be to have your female spayed....if she continues with the pregnancy and needs a c-section, etc., you can triple or quadruple what the cost of a spay is. Then next, have your male neutered, to prevent anymore accindental breedings.

Originally Posted by star2ooo

So if I get her spayed she can no longer have babies. I was asked to put my fingers on her pelvic bones. I can fit 2 fingers between the bones. I agree she's too young but I hate to fix her. Joey and her are about the same size but I do not know Thier backgrounds this is true. I did help deliver my Yorkie puppies along time ago from my dog my dad has. IM so confused. I will go ask a vet. Rt everyone.

Well first off are you sure you did the measurement correctly? That is the fingers barely brush the inner pelvic bones?

Why would you hate to fix her?

There is a pill that can be given with in the first 48 hours of a mating; it is called a mismatch shot.

Breeding responsibly is a huge undertaking. Time marches on. I would hate to see a baby try to give birth to a litter. Do you actually have 2-5 thousand dollars to see this whelp through, and to find good responsible owners? Are you prepared to offer a health guarantee on these mixed breed pups?

What is done can be un-done.

We don't advise lightly to spay a female, but will do so always with the young females interest at heart. Spay her if you are too late for the mismatch shot.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by star2ooo

Hi I'm new please please don't judge me. I have a yorkie. She's only 7 months old. The love of my life. She went into heat. I also have a 3. Yr. Old toy male poodle. I kept him downstairs. Well. You got it. The air conditioner blew the door open I found them tied. Omg that was fast. Anyway after a stressful day I kept my poodle outside on a feature and my girl inside in her crate. Well; you guessed it she wiggled out and my hubby came home the door opened and bamm tied again. So. Now that I'm the worst mom ever....what do I do. I've been told a c section is in my future. Oh please have some kind words to help me.

Hi Star, we're not judging you. Accidents do happen! That doesn't make you a bad mother. But I do hope you are able to give your puppy the mismatch shot, and if it's too late, have her spayed. This is for the health of the puppy who is too young to be a mother.

EDIT: I just did a little research on the mismatch shot, and it can lead to dangerous complications. The best option is to spay...

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body...rmination.html

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by pstinard

Hi Star, we're not judging you. Accidents do happen! That doesn't make you a bad mother. But I do hope you are able to give your puppy the mismatch shot, and if it's too late, have her spayed. This is for the health of the puppy who is too young to be a mother.

EDIT: I just did a little research on the mismatch shot, and it can lead to dangerous complications. The best option is to spay...

Pregnancy Termination

Some more information about the mismatch shot from the link I quoted above:

WARNING: THE “MISMATING SHOT”
In older times, one could bring the mismated female dog to the vet for an injection of estrogen within the first few days after the mismating. This treatment is generally not recommended any more as the high doses of estrogen used predisposed the female to a life-threatening uterine infection called "pyometra" (up to 25% incidence in one study). Dangerous bone marrow suppression is also a possibility plus the estrus (and all the unpleasant vaginal discharge and attraction of males) becomes prolonged. This treatment has been deemed too toxic and should not be requested.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by pstinard

Some more information about the mismatch shot from the link I quoted above:

WARNING: THE “MISMATING SHOT”
In older times, one could bring the mismated female dog to the vet for an injection of estrogen within the first few days after the mismating. This treatment is generally not recommended any more as the high doses of estrogen used predisposed the female to a life-threatening uterine infection called "pyometra" (up to 25% incidence in one study). Dangerous bone marrow suppression is also a possibility plus the estrus (and all the unpleasant vaginal discharge and attraction of males) becomes prolonged. This treatment has been deemed too toxic and should not be requested.

And anoth
Reproduction IndexGlossaryhttp://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/level2.gifPregnancy Termination in Dogs and Cats

Accidents happen, and a large number of pets become pregnant despite their owner's wishes. In most cases, the best solution to this problem is to have the bitch or queen spayed, which will not only solve the current problem, but prevent it from happening in the future. Ovariohysterectomy during pregnancy, unless very close to term, does not pose significantly elevated risks to the animal over and above the standard surgery.
There are several situations in which it is desirable to terminate a pregnancy, yet retain the animal's ability to reproduce in the future. Examples would include a valuable purebred breeding bitch that is accidently bred by an "undesirable" dog, or a estrous bitch that the owner may want to breed in the future that is found cavorting with a neighborhood dog in the backyard!
Before discussing treatments for pregnancy termination, one point should be made: Just because an bitch in estrus is found together with a male doesn't mean they have already mated. In fact, it seems to be the case that a majority of bitches presented to veterinarians for "mismating" treatment are not pregnant.
One fairly reliable method of determining whether mating has indeed occurred is to examine a vaginal smear within a few hours, even up to a day, after the alleged liason occurred. If the dog was bred, one can almost always find sperm on the smear without much difficulty. Not finding sperm does not rule out mating, but suggests that it may well not have taken place, which can influence how the bitch is treated.
Estrogen Treatment for Mismating

A variety of estrogens have previously been recommended and used as treatments for mismating. Two of the most popular formulations have been diethylstilbestrol and estradiol cypionate (ECP). Interestingly, there is very little objective data to support either the safety or efficacy of these drugs for treating mismating in dogs, and essentially none in cats.
The few controlled studies that have been conducted indicate that estrogen therapy in bitches is associated with a high risk of inducing uterine disease such as pyometra and some risk of causing a lethal aplastic anemia. Additionally, the dosages of estrogen and timing of treatment that appear to minimize risk of these disease are poorly effective in preventing pregnancy. The impression that estrogen treatment is efficacious may be largely be due to the fact, mentioned above, that many bitches presented for mismating treatment have not actually been bred.
In summary, there is little doubt that estrogen therapy for mismating in bitches is not only unsafe, but often ineffective in preventing pregnancy.
Termination of Pregnancy with Prostaglandin F2alpha

Prostaglandin F2alpha (PGF, Lutalyse(R), dinoprost tromethamine) is a hormone that induces luteolysis in many species, including dogs. Because progesterone is necessary throughout gestation for maintenance of pregnancy, PGF-induced death of the corpus luteum leads to termination of pregnancy. PGF also has the ability to stimulate uterine contractions, which may contribute to its abortifacient activity.
The canine corpus luteum is essentially unresponsive to PGF prior to diestrus day 5, then becomes progressively more susceptible to luteolysis through gestation. As a consequence, lower doses of PGF are required to induce abortion later in gestation.
PGF is administered twice daily, either for 4 days (less than 4 weeks of gestation) or until abortion is complete (after 4 weeks). In the later, case, the bitch should be monitored daily by palpation or ultrasound to evaluate whether abortion has taken place.
PGF treatment has a number of unpleasant side effects in dogs, including vomition, panting, cramps excessive salivation and defecation. These effects can be ameliorated to some extent by walking the animal immediately after treatment. Because of these adverse effects of PGF, treatment should be conducted in a veterinary clinic.
Two important precautions should be recognized with respect to use of PGF:
Women of childbearing age and people with asthma or other respiratory problems should use extreme caution in handling PGF solutions. This drug is readily absorbed through the skin and can cause uterine contractions and bronchospasm in exposed persons. This is another reason for conducting treatment of bitches in a clinic rather than by prescription.
PGF analogs such as cloprostenol are not approved for termination of canine pregnancy. They are very much more potent than PGF, and using an analog at the same dosage as PGF2alpha can be lethal.
PGF treatment is an effective treatment for termination of pregnancy in bitches. Properly administered, it is also safe and does not appear to have adverse effects on future reproductive performance of the bitch.
PGF can also be used to terminate pregnancy in cats, at least after day 33 of gestation.
Other Methods for Terminating Canine Pregnancy

Several other drugs have been investigated experimentally for terminating canine pregnancy, and while some show considerable promise, these treatments either are not currently available or cannot yet be recommended due to lack of data from clinical trials. Examples include:

Dopamine agonists: Prolactin is necessary to support function of the canine corpus luteum, and secretion is inhibited by dopamine. Drugs such as bromocryptine and cabergoline, which bind to dopamine receptors in the pituitary gland, suppress prolactin secretion and can terminate pregnancy in dogs by suppressing progesterone secretion from the corpus luteum.
Dopamine agonists are effective in terminating canine pregnancy only after about 25 days of gestation. Like PGF, they require repeated treatment and commonly induce vomition and inappetence.
Epostane: This drug inhibits steroid hormone synthesis by inhibiting the enzyme that converts pregnenolone to progesterone. It has been shown to terminate pregnancy in dogs after a 7 day treatment and appears to have this effect throughout gestation. Further, adverse side effects in dogs have not been been reported.
Mifepristone (RU486): This well-known drug acts as a progesterone antagonist. Small clinical trials have demonstrated that his drug is very effective in terminating canine pregnancy after 25-30 days of gestation, and without apparent adverse effects.

Clearly, several drugs appear to have promise as safe and effective abortifacients in dogs, and deserve additional research and marketing attention as aids for pet population control.
http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/refs.gif References and Reviews
Bowen RA, Olson PN Behrendt MD et al. Efficacy and toxicity of estrogens commonly used to terminate canine pregnancy. J Amer Vet Med Assoc 186:783, 1985.
Concannon PW, Weinstein R, Whaley S, et al. Suppression of luteal function in dogs by luteinizing hormone antiserum and bromocryptine. J Reprod Fert 81:175, 1987.
Concannon PW, Yeager A, Frank D, et al. Termination of pregnancy and inductin of premature luteolysis by the antiprogestogen, mifepristone, in dogs. J Reprod Fert 88:99, 1990.
Feldman EC, Davidson AP, Nelson RW, et al. Prosaglandin induction of abortion in pregnant bitches after misalliance. J Amer Vet Med Assoc 202:1855, 1993.
Onelin K, Silva LDM, Donnay I, et al. Luteotrophic function of prolactin in dogs and the effects of a dopamine agonist, cabergoline. J Reprod Fert 47 (suppl):403, 1993.
Sankai T, Endo T, Kanayama K et al. Antiprogesterone compound, RU486, administration to terminate pregnancy in dogs and cats. J Vet Med Sci 53:1069, 1991.
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Index of: Animal Population ControlLast updated on April 12, 2004Author: R. BowenSend comments via form or email to rbowen@colostate.eduer article is posted here:

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

I agree w/everyone, your girl is too young, her life along w/the puppies lives are in danger. She's not finished w/growing, her pelvic bones are not big enough to give birth, esp to puppies that are sired from a toy poodle. Adult Toy Poodles' average weight is 6-9 #'s & 10" tall & under. This is bigger & taller than the average Yorkie 4-7#'s & 8" tall. I am only guesstimating, bc you have no idea what's behind their lines...
Hope you'll make an informed decision on the best interest of your puppy.

Very good point about the pelvic bones. Being that she is still a pup herself, her bones are still soft as she is not finished growing. Bless her little puppy heart.

For many years, I wanted to breed. After knowing what it takes, the time, $$$, because so much can go wrong. When breeding, you basically have to live your life around a pregnant dog. You cannot leave for work or to have fun when they are getting close to birth... just so many many things could and do go wrong, and it can happen so quickly. No quick trips to the store or out to dinner.

When I realized these things, it made me appreciate the breeders and knew that unfortunately, it just wouldn't work for my lifestyle. I do know I would have done a good job because of the love and devotion I do have. But, I also know that I couldn't live my life tied down like that. I DO so love you breeders!!

[Lovetodream88]

What happens if you don't get her an emergency spay and she ends up dying because of various issues could you live with the fact that you didn't get her any emergency spay?

[gracielove]

It sounds to me like the original intent of the OP was to breed these two dogs. She has a whole male and does not want to spay the female. Hello? If she can't keep them apart during the first heat she certainly will not be able to do so in subsequent heats.

I feel sorry for this little dog. If the OP runs into trouble with the birthing of the pups what will she do? Will she get the female to the vet in time or will she die in labor? Will she have the hundreds of dollars needed to pay for an emergency C-section? The best thing that could happen to this puppy is an emergency spay. Apparently that is not the way this owner is thinking.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by star2ooo

So if I get her spayed she can no longer have babies. I was asked to put my fingers on her pelvic bones. I can fit 2 fingers between the bones. I agree she's too young but I hate to fix her. Joey and her are about the same size but I do not know Thier backgrounds this is true. I did help deliver my Yorkie puppies along time ago from my dog my dad has. IM so confused. I will go ask a vet. Rt everyone.

If she is under 3 pounds at 7 months she will probably not reach 5 pounds which means in the future she would be to small to breed anyway......

[Lovetodream88]

Any update on this poor pup?