I'm getting a dna test done. Then what??

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by I Wuv yorkies

She could be just no a well bred yorkie!!

Exactly...as are so many. At any rate everyone has agreed from the beginning that she is adorable.

[dawn27]

WOW !!! I didn't see this coming, at all. I am shocked, I was wrong like may of us were. I don't know that I can ever comment on another of these sort of thread again knowing this.

She may be 100% Yorkie, but what I don't understand is the hair growth issue. Does anyone know what could be the cause of it and if her hair will ever come in?

[joyziegirl]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemommy1984

So the results are in.... I was waiting to post them until I talked to the breeder. I reached out to her on here since I have no contact info that is correct anymore. I have not heard back from her yet. Ill give her til the end of the day Tom to be considerate to her abd the situation. Then after thst either way I will update everyone on the status. It's killing me to not post ot on here but Out of respect for the breeder n all I'm going to at least hold off til Tom. If nothing then ill prolly end up sending her a letter unless her address has changed as well I will wait n c I guess

Ok so she is not a full bred Yorkie. I can read between the lines and that is what your post said. So now we know why your breeder in MIA. She should give you half of your money back, and you in return should give her a nice kick in the behind. Now don't let her give you some BS story that she did not know she was a mixed breed when she sold you the puppy. She know exactly what's in Minnie background. I smell BS!!!!

[joyziegirl]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemommy1984

Do the results are in and Minnie is a purebred 100%. Dud anyone fall over lol I almost did. I was happy but shocked at the same time. I read all 9 papers and my husband was like well u have your yorkie now where's her hair lol. Even tho she's purebred something's still seems off to me. She doesn't look like one at all. So I have to get to the bottom of it. The only thing I remember hearing about if there purebred snd don't look like it is the way they were bred. Does anyone know what thst means?? Where do I go from here.

Sorry I posted that last post before I realized that you posted the results on the DNA test. 100% Yorkie!!!!.... Did you ever?....Well I never!!!!! I've heard that those DNA test are not 100% accurate, now I would have to agree. Or maybe you have a rare mutant Yorkie on your hands, you can call it the Sphinx cat Yorkie, just kidding. I still say she's not a full bred Yorkie, and I bet she is a through back from a past outcross that somebody did years ago. I'd like to be able to see what her great grand parent looks like. In any case, she is a cutie pie, so just enjoy her. At least if there is some chihuahua in her by chance, she will be a very healthy dog and live a very long time.

[joyziegirl]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemommy1984

Do the results are in and Minnie is a purebred 100%. Dud anyone fall over lol I almost did. I was happy but shocked at the same time. I read all 9 papers and my husband was like well u have your yorkie now where's her hair lol. Even tho she's purebred something's still seems off to me. She doesn't look like one at all. So I have to get to the bottom of it. The only thing I remember hearing about if there purebred snd don't look like it is the way they were bred. Does anyone know what thst means?? Where do I go from here.

Check out this web page on the DNA results of dogs that where known to be purebreds, leaves alot to be desired. And it makes you think that this whole DNA BS is just another way to rip the public off.
Dog breed genetic tests put to the test - VIN

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by joyziegirl

Check out this web page on the DNA results of dogs that where known to be purebreds, leaves alot to be desired. And it makes you think that this whole DNA BS is just another way to rip the public off.
Dog breed genetic tests put to the test - VIN

It's not a way to rip off the public, but yes it leaves a lot to be desired. This type of test measures things against itself and this is the weakest type of testing there is. As more and more samples are taken the differences between breeds will become more clear, but anyone taking a test is adding to the overall information base. The AKC won't take this test as proof of being a purebred. I think they only use the DNA test to determine if the offspring is truly the offspring of a certain parent.

Yorkiemommy1984, which type of test did you do, and can you scan the results, we might be able to gain more information.

[gracielove]

A mutation is a genetic change that happens in particular species. There is a type of cat out there now that they call a Scottish Fold. It was developed from a cat that was born with folded down ears. They took that mutated cat and developed a breed out of it. I call it a disaster but that is beside the point.

I don't know if Minnie is a mutation. I have seen dogs that have poor coat quality but your Minne just looks like a short haired dog. It would take some in depth genetic study to find out if she was an actual mutation. I'm sure you don't want to do that but it sure is interesting.

Certainly whoever bred her should not repeat the breeding. I really think they should have warned you that she was not developing as other Yorkie pups would normally develop. You may have still taken her but at least you would have known that something was not right. As you know she is adorable but certainly not what you expected coat wise!

Would love to see the report and what type of test was done on her. I've never done one so it would be interesting to see a report.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemommy1984

When u guys say mutation what goes that exactly mean?? I don't wanna sound dumb but I won't find out unless I ask is the breeding a possible solution or her skin condition?? I dunno where to start researching. I would love to c what her brother looks like Minnie I'm sure would love to have a play date

Sorry that I didn't get back to this sooner! Mutation means a change in the DNA sequence of a gene. Both of Minnie's parents could have been normal, healthy Yorkies, but a spontaneous mutation in the sperm or egg cell that gave rise to Minnie could have taken place. If the mutation is dominant, that means that the mutant trait (short hair, for instance) would be expressed in Minnie even though neither parent actually carried a gene for short hair. Such types of occurrences are rare, but they do take place. I'm not saying for sure that this is what happened, but it's a possibility. It would be helpful to see photos of Minnie's parents and her brother. If they are normal-looking, that makes the possibility of a rare dominant mutation appear more likely. At any rate, please know that Minnie is a very special dog.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by joyziegirl

Check out this web page on the DNA results of dogs that where known to be purebreds, leaves alot to be desired. And it makes you think that this whole DNA BS is just another way to rip the public off.
Dog breed genetic tests put to the test - VIN

Actually, the article states that the tests are about 90% accurate. And here is a quote from the article:

When we started the project, five tests were available. Four were variations of Wisdom Panel, which is owned by Mars Veterinary. The fifth test was Canine Heritage by Scidera, LLC.

What we found: Wisdom Panel was the superior competitor. Though not flawless, the test tended to give reasonable and usually consistent, if not necessarily enlightening, results. Veterinary geneticists we consulted also pointed to Wisdom Panel as the most scientifically reputable.

“Mars, I know, is constantly reviewing and analyzing and upgrading what they’re doing,” said Dr. Jerold Bell, a clinical associate professor of genetics at Tufts University Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine. “They’re one of the few that have done the research and continue to do the research to make it as scientifically valid as possible.”

In its early days, the test was nicknamed “Witless” by some skeptical veterinarians. Wisdom Panel’s more dependable results today may be a product of improvements developed over the years, chiefly expansion of the company’s breed database.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

It's not a way to rip off the public, but yes it leaves a lot to be desired. This type of test measures things against itself and this is the weakest type of testing there is. As more and more samples are taken the differences between breeds will become more clear, but anyone taking a test is adding to the overall information base. The AKC won't take this test as proof of being a purebred. I think they only use the DNA test to determine if the offspring is truly the offspring of a certain parent.

Yorkiemommy1984, which type of test did you do, and can you scan the results, we might be able to gain more information.

Hi Nancy, I believe that somewhere earlier in the thread, Jen stated that it was a breed purity test, so that would be a Wisdom Panel/MARS test. I would love to see the actual test results too, because the breed purity tests tell you how closely the DNA matched that of other certified purebred Yorkshire Terriers. I'd like to know if Minnie's results were in the middle of other Yorkies' results, or whether, they were on the fringe. Oh, and since the vet took the DNA sample, the likelihood of a contaminated sample is much lower.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by pstinard

Hi Nancy, I believe that somewhere earlier in the thread, Jen stated that it was a breed purity test, so that would be a Wisdom Panel/MARS test. I would love to see the actual test results too, because the breed purity tests tell you how closely the DNA matched that of other certified purebred Yorkshire Terriers. I'd like to know if Minnie's results were in the middle of other Yorkies' results, or whether, they were on the fringe. Oh, and since the vet took the DNA sample, the likelihood of a contaminated sample is much lower.

Here is an example of what I'm talking about. This is a link to a breed purity test for a Cocker Spaniel named "Buddy." The PCA analysis part of the test shows where Buddy falls with respect to other Cocker Spaniels. In this case, Buddy falls in the middle of all the other Cocker Spaniels.

http://www.wisdompanel.com/assets/1/...ple_report.pdf

[Patmor]

Glad you found out she was truly a Yorkie. Sometimes when my dogs hair gets matted and wild I wish for a short haired Yorkie. Maybe you're lucky. You have a very cute dog and you love her. Enjoy her!

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Purebred means very little, the tests aren't that sophisticated yet to tell us much. I believe that particular test might just tell you what the dog is "mostly". Purebred SHOULD mean a lot, it should mean that the dog will look and behave in a particular way, but breeders have to KNOW how to breed, meaning if a dog has a fault you either don't breed it or you breed it with another dog whose traits will overcome that fault. This means you also need to know which faults are dominant and which are recessive. BYB don't care what their breeding dogs look like, they breed pets they aren't trying to breed good examples of the breed. If you took a purebred beautiful example of the breed and then bred it to a poor example of the breed and kept breeding, choosing the worst examples to breed, it wouldn't take long before the offspring looked nothing like a Yorkie. This is why the choosing of breeding stock is vitally important. I hope you do not breed this dog, even though you have something that says it's purebred. Again the ACA registry is not reliable, they are owned by Petland, who sells open registration to anyone.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Purebred means very little, the tests aren't that sophisticated yet to tell us much. I believe that particular test might just tell you what the dog is "mostly". Purebred SHOULD mean a lot, it should mean that the dog will look and behave in a particular way, but breeders have to KNOW how to breed, meaning if a dog has a fault you either don't breed it or you breed it with another dog whose traits will overcome that fault. This means you also need to know which faults are dominant and which are recessive. BYB don't care what their breeding dogs look like, they breed pets they aren't trying to breed good examples of the breed. If you took a purebred beautiful example of the breed and then bred it to a poor example of the breed and kept breeding, choosing the worst examples to breed, it wouldn't take long before the offspring looked nothing like a Yorkie. This is why the choosing of breeding stock is vitally important. I hope you do not breed this dog, even though you have something that says it's purebred. Again the ACA registry is not reliable, they are owned by Petland, who sells open registration to anyone.

When your breeder tells you about your puppys sire and dam, being Ch bred, or your puppy comes from long lines of winning champion show dogs, dont think, "Well, they are just using that to jack the price of the puppy up..." No, your breeder has invested thousands of dollars for EACH of her breeding dogs, dogs that are backed up in their pedigrees with generations of Champion and Grand Champion winning show dogs, so that the puppies she produces LOOK like Yorkies!!!! THIS situation is a CLASSIC result that clearly shows an evidenced based outcome of exactly what damage is being done to the Yorkie breed by all the unconcerned, indescriminate BYB and puppy mill breedings that are rampant! The fact that so many people are stunned and amazed by these results, is actually a wonderful learning experience....just think of all the people that were absolutely convienced Minnie was a mix, now these people can clearly see the effects of exactly what poor breeding can do to the building blocks that determine what a Yorkie is even going to look like! Just remember....poor little Minnie had nothing to do with the choice of who was going to be her momma and daddy....THAT decision was made by a person who was absolutely clueless about what she was doing. Love that precious little girl, she is adorable....a spay her immediately. We do not want Yorkies with that short hair dominate gene, being bred back into Yorkies!

[joyziegirl]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Purebred means very little, the tests aren't that sophisticated yet to tell us much. I believe that particular test might just tell you what the dog is "mostly". Purebred SHOULD mean a lot, it should mean that the dog will look and behave in a particular way, but breeders have to KNOW how to breed, meaning if a dog has a fault you either don't breed it or you breed it with another dog whose traits will overcome that fault. This means you also need to know which faults are dominant and which are recessive. BYB don't care what their breeding dogs look like, they breed pets they aren't trying to breed good examples of the breed. If you took a purebred beautiful example of the breed and then bred it to a poor example of the breed and kept breeding, choosing the worst examples to breed, it wouldn't take long before the offspring looked nothing like a Yorkie. This is why the choosing of breeding stock is vitally important. I hope you do not breed this dog, even though you have something that says it's purebred. Again the ACA registry is not reliable, they are owned by Petland, who sells open registration to anyone.

Boy are you so right in what you have to say. If two Yorkies bred together can produce a smooth coat Yorkie that is so far away from the breed standard, you know something in the lines is causing it. Mars is not 100% right. So I look at Minnie as being in that 10% mismatched category, that lead them to call her a fullbred Yorkie. They never seen a picture of Minnie, maybe they should. I bet they would be quick to want to get the egg off their faces, because it really makes their test look very foolish.