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Old 04-22-2013, 09:23 PM   #1
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I bought my first puppy, only to ifnd out it had really, really, bad luxating patellas. That was four years ago. Now I wanted to get another that would be breed quality. I go to one breeder that had around 20. Everything was neat and clean, she was more the friendly and helpful. She was more then willing to spend time talking to me and educating me.She had one puppy for 1200. that I was really interested. When she gave me first the mother and then the father, I noticed that the father had a luxating patella on one side. It wasn't bad like my other dog but it was there. I told her I would think abt it and maybe get back.

A couple of weeks later I found another puppy on puppyfind.com that I was interested in and it was close. I went thru the same thing with this big breeders....talked to her aobut her dogs, asked all the right questions, etc. I even mentioned the previous breeder without using her name, and told her of the father with the luxating patella. She said that she never uses dogs like that to breed. I ended up buying a 10 wk old puppy for 1500. Its 4 wks later now and I think both patellas are luxating.

Aren't there any breed quality puppies out there anymore or am I just asking too much for? Should I call the breeder and tell her? Should I expect her to replace the puppy. She knew that I had been so disappointed before and that I was trying to be really careful this time.
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Well you definitely can not breed a dog with LP so its good your not doing that. Aren't you bonded with he puppy though after 4 weeks? The only place your probably going to get a good breeding quality dog is to go to a show breeder. You might want to start going to do shows. Even if its a show breeder though you wont know if that pup is of breeding quality until they get older. A good breeder follows the YTCA and there rules. They wont send a puppy home before 12 weeks, they do genetic and health testing on the parents, they know there lines to know that no genetic illnesses or LP is in the lines, they don't have a huge amount of breeding dogs so that when one dog has a littler they have the time to give individual attention to that litter, they don't keep there dogs in out buildings, they don't breed every heat, they do not breed females under 5 pounds, they let you see where the pups are living and both parents, they breed to the standard, and they have a good health guarantee. I'm sure there is something I am forgetting but that is most of it. Also before you breed you need to make sure you have done massive amounts of research and that you have a mentor to help you who has done it before as well has a couple thousand dollars in the bank of emergency c-sections and the medical care the mom and puppies will need.
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Well you definitely can not breed a dog with LP so its good your not doing that. Aren't you bonded with he puppy though after 4 weeks? The only place your probably going to get a good breeding quality dog is to go to a show breeder. You might want to start going to do shows. Even if its a show breeder though you wont know if that pup is of breeding quality until they get older. A good breeder follows the YTCA and there rules. They wont send a puppy home before 12 weeks, they do genetic and health testing on the parents, they know there lines to know that no genetic illnesses or LP is in the lines, they don't have a huge amount of breeding dogs so that when one dog has a littler they have the time to give individual attention to that litter, they don't keep there dogs in out buildings, they don't breed every heat, they do not breed females under 5 pounds, they let you see where the pups are living and both parents, they breed to the standard, and they have a good health guarantee. I'm sure there is something I am forgetting but that is most of it. Also before you breed you need to make sure you have done massive amounts of research and that you have a mentor to help you who has done it before as well has a couple thousand dollars in the bank of emergency c-sections and the medical care the mom and puppies will need.
I really have nothing else to add to this - probably nobody does since there are no other replies. But if it helps, this info is very very good and I hope you take it all in

Oh, I do have something to add. I am very sorry your baby has LP. Hope he can get some relief with surgery if it's a high grade or meds if lower. Bless his heart
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Old 04-23-2013, 10:09 AM   #4
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I did go to a breeder as pretty much described above. I know that she was going to a show soon. She showed me pics of her winning dogs, etc. I know that she was down on the 2nd breeder that was trying to sell me a puppy whose father had one bad leg. so I am beginning to think that she thought she was free of this condition. I checked the patellas of the mother and father real good. I got a health guarantee for this puppy but I didn't think that it would cover this. Should it?

She said that she doesn't let puppies go before 12 weeks so I don't know why she gave me the puppy that night.
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What kind of health testing should be done on yorkies?
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I took our puppy into the vet today for her rabies shot. The vet examined her legs and found nothing wrong. I must have been feeling things that weren't there so I feel much better.
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My Chihuahua Mia has LP. It looks pretty bad, she walks funny and I didn't notice until she was about 4 months old. I have taken her to various veterinarians and they have all said not to worry until she's older Its common in smaller puppies and believe it or not $1500 is a low price for a yorkie lol
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Puppyfind isn't really the best place to look for pups. Questionable "breeders" at best. I don't really know any 'reputable' breeder that would sell on puppyfind -- loaded with puppy millers and backyard breeders. I'm so sorry you thought you were getting something that you did not.

I know next to nothing about LP so just wanted to wish you luck in whatever you decide for the sweet pup.
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My Chihuahua Mia has LP. It looks pretty bad, she walks funny and I didn't notice until she was about 4 months old. I have taken her to various veterinarians and they have all said not to worry until she's older Its common in smaller puppies and believe it or not $1500 is a low price for a yorkie lol
Sadly its common because of bad breeding. Have you taken Mia to a specialist because if she is walking funny she might be in pain. Waiting if she is in pain is not good and it could make her develope arthritis.
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There will be many opinions on this. First I am going to refer you to the National Club for YT's. www.ytca.org. There you should be able to find what the club is recommending as the suggested testing.

Another place you c an go is CHIC Canine health information. www.caninehealthinformation.org. Note: I am using a new computer and I don't have my bookmarks so you might have to search up the correct addy on google. But here you will find what the YYCA requires for a dog to secure a CHIC number and also you will see other tests that some breeders do.

If you go to the Breeders Library here, you can find an article on responsible breeders and practices. This will provide you with more information.

So here we go with what I would like to see in terms of testing;

1. LP - this is evaluated by a vet practioner - and the proper form should be filled out and registered with CHIC. Note: the better the evaluator - ie the more experienced the more accurate the grading. It is possible to get two different grades of LP from two different vetsè

2. PRA must be done by a board certified opthamologist - and a CERF report is created. There is also a genetic test for this that can show if your dog is a carrier for the gene. The genetic test can rule out PRA disease, but not other types of eye diseases such as cataracts for example.

3. BATS - Bile acid testing - is a blood test that indicates if the dogs liver is functioning well. Liver disease in our breed is LS or Liver shunt - and MVD MicroVavluar Dysplasia.

4. Thyoid Function - another blood test - rules out Thyroid disesases.

5. HD and ED - that is hip and elbow dysplasia. Xrays are taken and evaluated by OFFA. Results are posted on www.offa.org

6. Hyperuricosuria genetic test. Determines if your dog is affected a carrier or clear of the gene.

7. Heart and Ear testing - must be done by specialists and rules out certain types of heart and or ear disease.

There are others as well. But what is important beyond these tests is always to know the health of your lines - as far back as you can. Some breeders have only started testing - some lines you will find only spotty credible information back 10yrs.

Let me give you a for instance. For hip and elbow dysplasia, current thinking suggests that the horizontal lineage is more important then the vertical lineage. This means while it is nice to know that the parents - grand and great grand parents were clear or unaffected; what seems to be a better indicator if your particular dog (even if un-affected by either disease) will sire affected pups is to look at the health of the siblings from the litter your dog came from. So if your dog came from a litter of four pups, that means what is the health of the other three pups Likely they might not have been tested. so you will have only the word of the breeder, who has only the word of the puppy owners. Many mild cases of HD and ED are non clinical - showing no overt symptoms. It is only when symptoms develop would a pet owner have a vet do an xray to see what is happening.

I think you get the drift of the challenge here.

In order for you to make an educated and best informed decision, it is going to take some years of study - a good experienced mentor to help you sort through all the possibilities.

To breed healthy dogs takes a lot of time effort and also luck!
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I got a couple other questions. If a dog turns out to have a health condition that the breeder gave a one yr health guarateed against and says they will replace the puppy, do most breeeders usually require the return of the first puppy or do most let let the owner keep the first one and the new one? If they want the puppy back, what do most breeders usually do with an unhealthy puppy?
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I don't mean to be rude to you in any way, but for a champion bloodline and breeding quality Yorkie it's going to be way more than $1500 if you want to do it right. I would contact a show breeder and ask for tips/advice if you went to a big breeder you most likely got ripped off. Also as far as the health guarantee you would of needed to read the contract, although 99% of the time the puppy is returned. The puppy is then put into a "pet only" home. In my honest opinion you should stay away from breeding with your puppy, you needed to have asked for genetic testing from both parents there are breed specific tests the breeder needs to do, did you let the breeder know you were planning on breeding? Doesn't seem like a breeder would give you a puppy for $1500 if they knew....
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I should also add that breeders don't know sometimes, it's hard to catch at such a young age....
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You weren't being rude. I am just trying to educate myself. Like I said in an earlier post, the vet has been checking the patellas everytime I take the puppy in for its shots. So far she hasn't found anything wrong. I will definately look into getting her checked out on the other health problems that yorkies can have.
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You weren't being rude. I am just trying to educate myself. Like I said in an earlier post, the vet has been checking the patellas everytime I take the puppy in for its shots. So far she hasn't found anything wrong. I will definately look into getting her checked out on the other health problems that yorkies can have.
Did the breeder do genetic testing?
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