trials and tribulations of rescuing!

[Belle Noir]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I am not a fan of Nathan Winograd and his No Kill philosophies.

And as for your thoughts on rescues, perhaps you might want to start a rescue yourself and turn the dogs you save over to just anyone who will do whatever they want to them including dumping them back on the streets. As for rescues taking dogs back, I have never had to do any such thing...nor have I feared for the pups I adopt out BECAUSE I am very careful and don't do as some would like me to do...just give them to anyone. I don't apologize for that. The dogs I rescue are indeed RESCUED.

Strawman argument much? Because I don't feel the way some people feel then I should do this or that, because I don't care, is that what you're saying? Take issue with what I'm saying, keep the personal attacks to yourself, because I will call you on it. You want to feel self righteous for whatever reason, do it off someone else's back, not mine. If you aren't a rescue that does that, then OBVIOUSLY I wasn't talking about you, so there is no need to be defensive. However, if you have dogs in foster for years at a time, and there's nothing wrong with them, maybe you want to re-evaluate your policies, and there's no wonder you're being so defensive. But so what someone on the internet doesn't like what you do. That's no reason to attack THEM, when YOU were not attacked. That's not what grown ups do.
Come again another time with another train of thought, that one has derailed. You're so busy being pissed at me saying that there are a number of rescues run by people with control issues that you missed me saying that rescue is not a bad thing and some rescuers are saints.
And guess what? Of the close to 50 pit bulls I PERSONALLY rescued, rehabbed and rehomed, NOT ONE ever found it's way back into the shelter system, and EVERY ONE stayed in the home that adopted them until they died.. In other words, been there done that.
And in your zeal to put me in my place for having an opinion perhaps you missed the part where I mentioned I was fostering.

However, you should know that one of the reasons that the ASPCA, HSUS and Best Friends (not usually my favorite organizations, but they do have their place) fought against Oreo's Law is because there ARE a number of rescue groups that are pretty much hoarding cats and dogs. They want the pet to go to a good home, but NO ONE is ever good enough for them.
I have personally SEEN this in action when my godbrother, a man with a PhD, single, never getting married, so no kids, older nieces and nephews, no small children in the family to come and visit was turned down for a cat. This man makes 6 figures a year, and was turned down for arbitrary reasons that had nothing to do with his ability to care for a cat.
AND he already has a cat, he had the cat for 10 years at that time, and the cat was an adult when he got it, AND he was looking to adopt an older cat, something traditionally harder to place.

You can feel how you want about no kill. I can agree with what Nathan Winograd says without agreeing with everything he says and I personally do not believe in no kill myself.
You missed the point, and it's OK. Let me restate it. IF I adopt a yorkie from a yorkie rescue that has a repossession clause, and IF I decide that I want to have ONE more baby, it is POSSIBLE that this rescue could repossess that dog, because I broke an arbitrary rule that had nothing to do with my ability to take care of the dog, and every thing to do with a rule they had about their dogs going into a home with children under a certain age.
Even better, something happens to my sister, and I have to take in my nieces and nephews. I'm going to lose my dog because of a family emergency that had (again) nothing to do with my ability to take care of my dog?
Do what you want, I'm buying a DOG, not indefinite guardian privileges that can be revoked at any time because of stupid rules. That is why I buy my dogs, and don't go through rescues. Those people that do, are great and wonderful people, more power to them. As I already said, they have a fortitude and a patience I don't.

[Lisa and Pic]

Originally Posted by Belle Noir

Strawman argument much? Because I don't feel the way some people feel then I should do this or that, because I don't care, is that what you're saying? Take issue with what I'm saying, keep the personal attacks to yourself, because I will call you on it. You want to feel self righteous for whatever reason, do it off someone else's back, not mine. If you aren't a rescue that does that, then OBVIOUSLY I wasn't talking about you, so there is no need to be defensive. However, if you have dogs in foster for years at a time, and there's nothing wrong with them, maybe you want to re-evaluate your policies, and there's no wonder you're being so defensive. But so what someone on the internet doesn't like what you do. That's no reason to attack THEM, when YOU were not attacked. That's not what grown ups do.
Come again another time with another train of thought, that one has derailed. You're so busy being pissed at me saying that there are a number of rescues run by people with control issues that you missed me saying that rescue is not a bad thing and some rescuers are saints.
And guess what? Of the close to 50 pit bulls I PERSONALLY rescued, rehabbed and rehomed, NOT ONE ever found it's way back into the shelter system, and EVERY ONE stayed in the home that adopted them until they died.. In other words, been there done that.
And in your zeal to put me in my place for having an opinion perhaps you missed the part where I mentioned I was fostering.

However, you should know that one of the reasons that the ASPCA, HSUS and Best Friends (not usually my favorite organizations, but they do have their place) fought against Oreo's Law is because there ARE a number of rescue groups that are pretty much hoarding cats and dogs. They want the pet to go to a good home, but NO ONE is ever good enough for them.
I have personally SEEN this in action when my godbrother, a man with a PhD, single, never getting married, so no kids, older nieces and nephews, no small children in the family to come and visit was turned down for a cat. This man makes 6 figures a year, and was turned down for arbitrary reasons that had nothing to do with his ability to care for a cat.
AND he already has a cat, he had the cat for 10 years at that time, and the cat was an adult when he got it, AND he was looking to adopt an older cat, something traditionally harder to place.

You can feel how you want about no kill. I can agree with what Nathan Winograd says without agreeing with everything he says and I personally do not believe in no kill myself.
You missed the point, and it's OK. Let me restate it. IF I adopt a yorkie from a yorkie rescue that has a repossession clause, and IF I decide that I want to have ONE more baby, it is POSSIBLE that this rescue could repossess that dog, because I broke an arbitrary rule that had nothing to do with my ability to take care of the dog, and every thing to do with a rule they had about their dogs going into a home with children under a certain age.
Even better, something happens to my sister, and I have to take in my nieces and nephews. I'm going to lose my dog because of a family emergency that had (again) nothing to do with my ability to take care of my dog?
Do what you want, I'm buying a DOG, not indefinite guardian privileges that can be revoked at any time because of stupid rules. That is why I buy my dogs, and don't go through rescues. Those people that do, are great and wonderful people, more power to them. As I already said, they have a fortitude and a patience I don't.

I believe you are totally missing Ladyjane's point in her posts. She is not being "self rightous" as you might think, she is doing a doggone good job finding great homes for the pups at YHR, by being careful. If you do a little more reading on YT, I think you will also come to that conclusion.

As far as your comment about what "grownups do," .... sounds like something I would have told my elementary school students in a preachy moment, not another adult.

On a different note and more positive, your foster work with pits is much appreciated by me. Thank you.

[ladyjane]

Belle Noir your post is extremely wordy and it is much to early for me. Just suffice it to say that I am not "pissed' at you (your words) and I don't care if you choose to buy a DOG/pup or whatever we choose to call it.

I don't care much about anything except placing the pups in my care in the right homes so that the cycle is broken at least for them. The problem with homeless animals is so out of control that I long ago accepted that the best that I can do is to save what I can...I simply cannot save them all.

[ladyjane]

And, by the way, in the seven years that YHR has been in existence, we have never "repossessed" a pup.

I have also not really spoken with anyone that this has happened to. Not saying it does not or could not happen, but I would say it is probably extremely rare. A knee jerk response to an adopter having a family emergency is just not something I would be a party to and I dare say that most rescues probably would not either.

[SophieKatesMom]

The rescue where I volunteer has "taken back "dogs (actually they refer it as rescinding). Reason is the adopter has broken the legal, binding adoption contract. The dogs are returned for a GOOD reason usually they are left outside unattended, let outside without a leash in an unfenced area (in one case the dog was actually hit by a car and the Vet caring for the animal called us).

Remember returning a dog is a two way street, the adopter can always return a dog to us also. This is also part of the contract, if for any reason they are not able to care for the dog they need to surrender it to us, we want it back (there is nothing in our contract about taking any additonal dogs they have but we will take them if asked).

Part of being a good adoption agent is matching the right do to the right forever home, this includes asking some personal quesitons such as their plans for children in the future and even if kid visit the home often.

I promise you the mission of anyone who works or volunteers at the rescue I am associate with is to place the dog in a suitable, forever home. Whenever a dog is placed is opens up a slot for another dog.

[shannonNJ]

Well, this has totally turned into a superman post. lol.

I didn't expect for it to get so in-depth and passionate so fast!

[Teresiana]

Originally Posted by shannonNJ

Well, this has totally turned into a superman post. lol.

I didn't expect for it to get so in-depth and passionate so fast!

I'm just curious if you've decided to take a break? Or go with a breeder? I do feel your pain. After making a decision to purchase instead of rescue, I started searching for a breeder in July of last year. I finally found "the one" in January. Then I waited for the breeding of a stud & dam that I liked. Then after speaking with my breeder, we both decided that a puppy from a different litter would be best for my family. So through all of that, I'm finally bringing home my puppy next month. It's been an 11 month process. I don't have a guarantee she will be the perfect puppy for me. But I think my chances are pretty good. I'm just trying to say, that either route requires patience. No matter what you decide, I'm sure it will be well worth the wait & red tape. I think that reputable breeders & rescues alike, have the same goal in mind...the greater good of the pet. And both strive to match each individual pet with the best family for them. It just takes a while to get there I wish you the best of luck with your search!

[shannonNJ]

We are taking a "break" however, a lot of things are being thrown out way. It seems we can't get away lol. One of the rescues keeps updating me with their new available puppies as they come in and just yesterday I was in a new petstore by me and the owner was there with her little westie who was running around in a dress and gave me all her breeder info..and she was so precious my heart was melting. lol an I just kept thinking "how am I supposed to be "waiting"?!

It's just something that will just happen I guess..whether I'm lol king or taking break. But thank you for your kind words!

Greatly appreciated. It definitely is a "PROCESS"!

[SophieKatesMom]

Originally Posted by shannonNJ

Well, this has totally turned into a superman post. lol.

I didn't expect for it to get so in-depth and passionate so fast!

Shannon, I apologize for not keeping my post on track to your original post. I wish you the best of luck in finding your next baby.

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by Belle Noir

Strawman argument much? Because I don't feel the way some people feel then I should do this or that, because I don't care, is that what you're saying? Take issue with what I'm saying, keep the personal attacks to yourself, because I will call you on it. You want to feel self righteous for whatever reason, do it off someone else's back, not mine. If you aren't a rescue that does that, then OBVIOUSLY I wasn't talking about you, so there is no need to be defensive. However, if you have dogs in foster for years at a time, and there's nothing wrong with them, maybe you want to re-evaluate your policies, and there's no wonder you're being so defensive. But so what someone on the internet doesn't like what you do. That's no reason to attack THEM, when YOU were not attacked. That's not what grown ups do.
Come again another time with another train of thought, that one has derailed. You're so busy being pissed at me saying that there are a number of rescues run by people with control issues that you missed me saying that rescue is not a bad thing and some rescuers are saints.
And guess what? Of the close to 50 pit bulls I PERSONALLY rescued, rehabbed and rehomed, NOT ONE ever found it's way back into the shelter system, and EVERY ONE stayed in the home that adopted them until they died.. In other words, been there done that.
And in your zeal to put me in my place for having an opinion perhaps you missed the part where I mentioned I was fostering.

However, you should know that one of the reasons that the ASPCA, HSUS and Best Friends (not usually my favorite organizations, but they do have their place) fought against Oreo's Law is because there ARE a number of rescue groups that are pretty much hoarding cats and dogs. They want the pet to go to a good home, but NO ONE is ever good enough for them.
I have personally SEEN this in action when my godbrother, a man with a PhD, single, never getting married, so no kids, older nieces and nephews, no small children in the family to come and visit was turned down for a cat. This man makes 6 figures a year, and was turned down for arbitrary reasons that had nothing to do with his ability to care for a cat.
AND he already has a cat, he had the cat for 10 years at that time, and the cat was an adult when he got it, AND he was looking to adopt an older cat, something traditionally harder to place.

You can feel how you want about no kill. I can agree with what Nathan Winograd says without agreeing with everything he says and I personally do not believe in no kill myself.
You missed the point, and it's OK. Let me restate it. IF I adopt a yorkie from a yorkie rescue that has a repossession clause, and IF I decide that I want to have ONE more baby, it is POSSIBLE that this rescue could repossess that dog, because I broke an arbitrary rule that had nothing to do with my ability to take care of the dog, and every thing to do with a rule they had about their dogs going into a home with children under a certain age.
Even better, something happens to my sister, and I have to take in my nieces and nephews. I'm going to lose my dog because of a family emergency that had (again) nothing to do with my ability to take care of my dog?
Do what you want, I'm buying a DOG, not indefinite guardian privileges that can be revoked at any time because of stupid rules. That is why I buy my dogs, and don't go through rescues. Those people that do, are great and wonderful people, more power to them. As I already said, they have a fortitude and a patience I don't.

Just WOW

[shannonNJ]

Originally Posted by SophieKatesMom

Shannon, I apologize for not keeping my post on track to your original post. I wish you the best of luck in finding your next baby.

No worries! I do think it is a good conversation to have. I think the bigger picture is that these shelters don't get the help they need to function to standards people on the outside, expect.

My naiveness expected a full list of what they expected of a home for a few dogs; When I was informed after applying and getting a little attached, that there was indeed requirements, it felt kind of harsh.

But which ever way the tides turn, I'm sure I'll find a baby eventually...be it a rescue or from a breeder.

Everyone has a right to their choice of rescuing or buying...and that's OK!

But thank you! I think I'm going to need all the luck I can get! Haha.

[SophieKatesMom]

Originally Posted by shannonNJ

No worries! I do think it is a good conversation to have. I think the bigger picture is that these shelters don't get the help they need to function to standards people on the outside, expect.

My naiveness expected a full list of what they expected of a home for a few dogs; When I was informed after applying and getting a little attached, that there was indeed requirements, it felt kind of harsh.

But which ever way the tides turn, I'm sure I'll find a baby eventually...be it a rescue or from a breeder.

Everyone has a right to their choice of rescuing or buying...and that's OK!

But thank you! I think I'm going to need all the luck I can get! Haha.

I am confident you will find your new baby.

Honestly, my next Yorkie will be purchased from a breeder. I have tried to adopt from the rescue where I volunteer and it did not work out (my Sophie Kate was not happy in the shelter enviroment and will never pass the temperment tests).

Have you looked at Breny's Yorkies at Greens Treasured Yorkies? She is a YT member and in my opinion a great breeder. I know she has little girls right now, she sent me a picture of one a few weeks back.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by shannonNJ

No worries! I do think it is a good conversation to have. I think the bigger picture is that these shelters don't get the help they need to function to standards people on the outside, expect.

My naiveness expected a full list of what they expected of a home for a few dogs; When I was informed after applying and getting a little attached, that there was indeed requirements, it felt kind of harsh.

But which ever way the tides turn, I'm sure I'll find a baby eventually...be it a rescue or from a breeder.

Everyone has a right to their choice of rescuing or buying...and that's OK!

But thank you! I think I'm going to need all the luck I can get! Haha.

The right one will come along. When I lived in NJ I waited for two years...I thought I would never find one! Here in Texas, as much as I hate to say this, you can find one any day in a shelter...just crazy. You just happen to live in an area where they are not overflowing with yorkies.

A friend of mine was trying about a year ago and could not get approved and/or find a pup that would fit in her home. She was riding in a friend's car one day and a yorkie ran in front of them. They looked and looked for his owner and never found them...he is still with her and he was a perfect fit for her home!

Good luck in your search!

[shannonNJ]

Originally Posted by SophieKatesMom

I am confident you will find your new baby.

Honestly, my next Yorkie will be purchased from a breeder. I have tried to adopt from the rescue where I volunteer and it did not work out (my Sophie Kate was not happy in the shelter enviroment and will never pass the temperment tests).

Have you looked at Breny's Yorkies at Greens Treasured Yorkies? She is a YT member and in my opinion a great breeder. I know she has little girls right now, she sent me a picture of one a few weeks back.

Unfortunately, they're located in Michigan. I'm not too keen on having a puppy shipped. I'd like to go to a place and see where the pup is coming from for myself, etc.

But I appreciate the thought, thank you!

[Teresiana]

Originally Posted by shannonNJ

We are taking a "break" however, a lot of things are being thrown out way. It seems we can't get away lol. One of the rescues keeps updating me with their new available puppies as they come in and just yesterday I was in a new petstore by me and the owner was there with her little westie who was running around in a dress and gave me all her breeder info..and she was so precious my heart was melting. lol an I just kept thinking "how am I supposed to be "waiting"?!

It's just something that will just happen I guess..whether I'm lol king or taking break. But thank you for your kind words!

Greatly appreciated. It definitely is a "PROCESS"!

It's just like trying to find a husband. When you least expect it, you'll find "the one". Lol! I'm in NJ too, Bergen County. I'll keep an eye out for you & shoot you a PM if I see anything