You aren't missing anything worth repeating jacqui!!! :rolleyes::D:p

C Remain respectful of other members at all times

All posts should be professional and courteous. You have every right to disagree with your fellow community members and explain your perspective.
However, you are not free to attack, degrade, insult, or otherwise belittle them. The above is a rule we were taught when we were training to be webmasters in a large corporation in my country. Obviously doesnt apply in your. Country.
Teapots are no more standard than Teacups, pockets or minis.

When I hear the word 'teacup' used by any breeder, whether Show or BYB, the image in my mind is a smaller than standard sized dog, possibly genetically ill, may grow up with or will have possibly serious to very serious health issues. So when I see puppies being advertised as 'teacups', I take that as a warning and would not make a purchase from that breeder.

When I hear an owner describe their dog/puppy as a 'teacup', I feel bad for them in that they may have purchased an unhealthy pet, if indeed they made their purchase from a breeder that uses the term 'teacup' to sell their puppies.

The word 'Teapot', on the other hand, just means 'Giant Yorkie' to me, larger than a Standard size according to the AKC, and is a safer bet that the pup will not be plagued with lifelong health problems.

Spaying and neutering can also affect the size of a dog, if done before the puppy has stopped growing.

Please do a forum search for "teapot" and "teacup." The distinction has been discussed with all of the nuances many, many times. To recap: "Teapot" is a word used to affectionately describe a Yorkie whose adult size is greater than 7 pounds. "Teacup" is a word used by unscrupulous sellers to describe a Yorkie whose adult size may or may not be under 4 pounds in order to jack up the price by getting people to think "Oh, how cute, it will fit in my purse!"

I have read that this causes a leggy look. Not sure if that is correct. Makes pups grow taller.

I've read that, too.

With Curri I waited until she reached 3 pounds and 18 months before spaying BUT I have no unaltered males and she is an indoor dog.

Over here in the UK it's certainly used by folk out to breed from their pet bitches (yorkies and, especially, Chihuahuas) and it's sad to see as these folk are ONLY in it for the money and couldn't give two hoots about the welfare of the dog :( Tiny is NOT healthy in the majority of cases.....you only have to look at poor Sahara :mad:

Yes safari needs a voice !!!

Oh heck.....you can tell I'm tired.....got the beautiful angel's name wrong :embarasse Knew it was Africa-related :p :D

No judgement. I forget my own name too!!

Every single one of you that is against the teacup term thats valid for your preferences...However, my stand is where you can have a tiny puppy that stays tiny because its my preference or anyone who prefers it. I do not believe that you should breed a teacup dog that is barely 3 pounds. Teacups can com from ,for example, 5 pound dogs its genetically possible and some breeders although not show dog breeders are just as if not better... good at what they do and they are biologically and genetically informed on how to breed down the best quality dogs into what they want ie...temperament, healthy, size, etc...im not talking about any backyard breeder or puppy mill...Please read and understand what im saying dont close your minds to just oh a teacup it must be a puppymill...No! thats not what im saying...my pup is tiny (not the smallest) and came out of 5 and 6 pound parents. All im saying and maybe some others is i reserve the right to call my pup watever i want...and stop arguing i already did my research and i know what im doing...im just defending bentleymommie (originally)

We had one of those breeders here for a long time who claimed she did all the research, had bred for 20 plus years, etc.etc. and now has had several dogs pop up with serious health issues. I too have a tiny little girl from standard size parents. It happens. I honestly don't think anyone is trying to be mean to Bentlysmom or anyone else it is just everyones way of trying to educate about the myth of "teacups".

I agree that just because a dog is undersized, it doesn't mean it was deliberately bred to be ultra small. Runts or even just very tiny dogs are occasionally born to toy breeds and cannot be predicted apparently, even when the lineage is standard-sized from way back. None of my posts or mindset on this thread or any other thread is ever anti-tiny or teacup dogs themselves - only those that deliberately breed to produce severely undersized dogs and their customers who are subsidizing them.

Those sweet tiny little dogs are not at fault in any way and never should be discriminated against for their size or undervalued some way! They do deserve a special kind of owner who is going to have the funds, time and almost paranoid attitude that it takes to always be on the lookout for how best to keep them healthy, happy, safe and protected in the course of living life. And, a person who, should medical problems crop up, is naturally observant enough to recognize a possible problem and get them vetted ASAP as warranted by the signs or symptoms as the little tinies often haven't a lot of reserves or time when bad things happen to them. The only bone I have to pick is never with the animals but with the greeders who deliberately breed for them and the people who do business with those misery-mongers.

I re-read this whole thread last night, believe me I had better things to do w/my time. I did not see 1 post which attacked the OP. In fact, a post of her's was deleted bc she attacked a member that was trying to help. Then you come in 3 months later & cause more drama.
I want to know your view on where the word 'teacup' comes from, except the obvious fact that you like that word & are choosing to use it. Why use it when it stems from such misery & pain from the enslaved poor puppy mill pups? That is what I don't understand & if you choose to stay ignorant, that's not my problem. But know this, every time you use that word, you are advertising for these vile sick greedy online brokers/ re-sellers, puppy mills & BYB's, sending them unsuspecting people to purchase their 'teacup' puppies.

Yes, even reputable breeders will have a tiny in a litter. But they will never advertise it as a 'teacup'. If they do, they are NOT reputable.

Its not true that these little dogs are prone to health issues puppy mill dogs are prone to health issues because they have genetic issues whether big or small...I agree u have to have be careful with tiny pups but if they come from a good line they have just as good chance as any other dog out there...safri is an extreme example that came from a bad breeder that's not the case if the teacup came from good hands

I felt the need to respond to this because I too was very stubborn and stuck in my ways over the term "teacup". It is very easy to take member's passion as rudeness but they truly are just very very VERY passionate about the breed. Teacup is such a degrading word to our breed because of it's background. Teacup was not a word made up by the AKC but a term made up by horrible back yard breeders who purposely bred ill bred puppies just for the money. The members here understand that some tinies DO happen from even the best of the best bloodlines but one thing that I've learned here is that teacup will never be an accepted term. I mean it's kind of like going to work and cussing your boss out...somethings are just inappropriate in certain places. Please, I encourage you to just listen to the members for a bit or even search the forum. There are plenty of threads on the term and believe me when I say after research, I don't think you'd want your baby referred to as a teacup. :p

:thumbup: This was a great post Courtney I'm proud :D

Thank you :) I just want you all to know I DO understand your concerns and I DO support you all. Some people just respond better to different approaches while others may not ever get it but at least we can say we tried many different approaches!

Wonderful post Courtney....you do us proud!

Glad to make you all proud :D :ghug:

I prefer the terms tiny or small to teacup and large or oversize to teapot!

A purebred dog is a dog that has certain genetic distinctions due to a careful breeding plan. Purebreds do not maintain their distinctive characteristics unless the careful selective breeding continues in the line. That is why you see so many purebreds that are quite different than the breed standard when they are produced through indiscriminate breeding. Ears flop, bites change, personality characteristics become troublesome, and health issues abound due to indiscriminate breeding. In order to maintain the quality of any purebred certain scientific breeding standards have to be met. It is truly a science. It does not happen by chance.

While many larger Yorkies are seemingly healthy they can be just as subject to problems as the tiny ones if they have mishmash breeding behind them. Many of the so called teacups come from litters that also produced over sized pups. The genetic pool is so large in this type of breeding that it is like a giant roulette wheel of possibilites. A breeder with extensive knowledge of the genetics of their breed and who does extensive testing of their breeding stock is helping to eliminate the bad possibilities. That is one of the many reasons why those who have taken the time to study the subject try to warn people not to buy from the hobby, BYB, and puppy mill breeders.

A dog owner can call their dog a "microscopic" Yorkie if that makes them happy but the disdain for the tiny terms used to enrich bad breeders is about the exploitation of the dogs and not merely about someones terminology preference.

We're willing to learn. If you have proof in fact of any stage of early cellular development, gene pairings, embryonic or fetal formation in tiny/teacup dogs NOT are adversely affected in a way that can increase disease-related pathology due to the tiny size of the lines involved in a particular breeding, please link us to the source documents supporting that position. And please, not just one or two by one noted geneticist but a preponderance of source documents by noted geneticists stating teacup or ultra small dogs have no more non-injury medical problems than standard-sized dogs of that breed.

In the meantime, we do know from Googling that there are ad nauseum pages after pages of statements that teacup, ultra small, pocket or tiny dogs being rife with medical problems.

Well done you! :D A great post, brilliantly said....:D Sally + Teapot Boy x

No....what you've got to do is stop going out lunching and enjoying yourself, when we're all here hard at work on YT......!!! :eek: ;) :D Sally + Harry x

OK you're right Sally, I have been enjoying the summer entirely too much...I have to take my job here far more seriously!! :eek::p:D

Too right. Glad you got the message :p Now, we must press on with our work....:D :friendsh: Sally + Huge Boy xx

Oversize can hurt feelings though trust me I'm oversize......

Still waiting on proof that there is a good breeder who uses the word teacup........

i cant show you because i dont believe in buying a pure bred dog...i strongly believe in mixed pups