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sugarmamma 07-13-2013 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by msyorktown (Post 4269015)
Wow, I left this thread on Friday, at 6 pages...in one day we are at page 10!!
I am gonna have to stop going to bed at night, just so I can keep up and not miss anything! :p

You aren't missing anything worth repeating jacqui!!! :rolleyes::D:p

sulamk 07-14-2013 06:56 AM

C Remain respectful of other members at all times

All posts should be professional and courteous. You have every right to disagree with your fellow community members and explain your perspective.
However, you are not free to attack, degrade, insult, or otherwise belittle them. The above is a rule we were taught when we were training to be webmasters in a large corporation in my country. Obviously doesnt apply in your. Country.
Teapots are no more standard than Teacups, pockets or minis.

kjc 07-14-2013 08:37 AM

When I hear the word 'teacup' used by any breeder, whether Show or BYB, the image in my mind is a smaller than standard sized dog, possibly genetically ill, may grow up with or will have possibly serious to very serious health issues. So when I see puppies being advertised as 'teacups', I take that as a warning and would not make a purchase from that breeder.

When I hear an owner describe their dog/puppy as a 'teacup', I feel bad for them in that they may have purchased an unhealthy pet, if indeed they made their purchase from a breeder that uses the term 'teacup' to sell their puppies.

The word 'Teapot', on the other hand, just means 'Giant Yorkie' to me, larger than a Standard size according to the AKC, and is a safer bet that the pup will not be plagued with lifelong health problems.

Spaying and neutering can also affect the size of a dog, if done before the puppy has stopped growing.

pstinard 07-14-2013 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sulamk (Post 4269551)
C Remain respectful of other members at all times

All posts should be professional and courteous. You have every right to disagree with your fellow community members and explain your perspective.
However, you are not free to attack, degrade, insult, or otherwise belittle them. The above is a rule we were taught when we were training to be webmasters in a large corporation in my country. Obviously doesnt apply in your. Country.
Teapots are no more standard than Teacups, pockets or minis.

Please do a forum search for "teapot" and "teacup." The distinction has been discussed with all of the nuances many, many times. To recap: "Teapot" is a word used to affectionately describe a Yorkie whose adult size is greater than 7 pounds. "Teacup" is a word used by unscrupulous sellers to describe a Yorkie whose adult size may or may not be under 4 pounds in order to jack up the price by getting people to think "Oh, how cute, it will fit in my purse!"

sugarmamma 07-14-2013 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by kjc (Post 4269623)
When I hear the word 'teacup' used by any breeder, whether Show or BYB, the image in my mind is a smaller than standard sized dog, possibly genetically ill, may grow up with or will have possibly serious to very serious health issues. So when I see puppies being advertised as 'teacups', I take that as a warning and would not make a purchase from that breeder.

When I hear an owner describe their dog/puppy as a 'teacup', I feel bad for them in that they may have purchased an unhealthy pet, if indeed they made their purchase from a breeder that uses the term 'teacup' to sell their puppies.

The word 'Teapot', on the other hand, just means 'Giant Yorkie' to me, larger than a Standard size according to the AKC, and is a safer bet that the pup will not be plagued with lifelong health problems.

Spaying and neutering can also affect the size of a dog, if done before the puppy has stopped growing.




I have read that this causes a leggy look. Not sure if that is correct. Makes pups grow taller.

yorkietalkjilly 07-14-2013 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarmamma (Post 4269762)
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I have read that this causes a leggy look. Not sure if that is correct. Makes pups grow taller.

I've read that, too.

sugarmamma 07-14-2013 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4269766)
I've read that, too.

With Curri I waited until she reached 3 pounds and 18 months before spaying BUT I have no unaltered males and she is an indoor dog.

Gillykat 07-14-2013 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4269682)
Please do a forum search for "teapot" and "teacup." The distinction has been discussed with all of the nuances many, many times. To recap: "Teapot" is a word used to affectionately describe a Yorkie whose adult size is greater than 7 pounds. "Teacup" is a word used by unscrupulous sellers to describe a Yorkie whose adult size may or may not be under 4 pounds in order to jack up the price by getting people to think "Oh, how cute, it will fit in my purse!"

Over here in the UK it's certainly used by folk out to breed from their pet bitches (yorkies and, especially, Chihuahuas) and it's sad to see as these folk are ONLY in it for the money and couldn't give two hoots about the welfare of the dog :( Tiny is NOT healthy in the majority of cases.....you only have to look at poor Sahara :mad:

sugarmamma 07-14-2013 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Gillykat (Post 4269920)
Over here in the UK it's certainly used by folk out to breed from their pet bitches (yorkies and, especially, Chihuahuas) and it's sad to see as these folk are ONLY in it for the money and couldn't give two hoots about the welfare of the dog :( Tiny is NOT healthy in the majority of cases.....you only have to look at poor Sahara :mad:



Yes safari needs a voice !!!

Gillykat 07-14-2013 02:48 PM

Oh heck.....you can tell I'm tired.....got the beautiful angel's name wrong :embarasse Knew it was Africa-related :p :D

sugarmamma 07-14-2013 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Gillykat (Post 4269922)
Oh heck.....you can tell I'm tired.....got the beautiful angel's name wrong :embarasse Knew it was Africa-related :p :D

No judgement. I forget my own name too!!

amyazer 07-14-2013 04:21 PM

Every single one of you that is against the teacup term thats valid for your preferences...However, my stand is where you can have a tiny puppy that stays tiny because its my preference or anyone who prefers it. I do not believe that you should breed a teacup dog that is barely 3 pounds. Teacups can com from ,for example, 5 pound dogs its genetically possible and some breeders although not show dog breeders are just as if not better... good at what they do and they are biologically and genetically informed on how to breed down the best quality dogs into what they want ie...temperament, healthy, size, etc...im not talking about any backyard breeder or puppy mill...Please read and understand what im saying dont close your minds to just oh a teacup it must be a puppymill...No! thats not what im saying...my pup is tiny (not the smallest) and came out of 5 and 6 pound parents. All im saying and maybe some others is i reserve the right to call my pup watever i want...and stop arguing i already did my research and i know what im doing...im just defending bentleymommie (originally)

nanahas3 07-14-2013 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by amyazer (Post 4270043)
Every single one of you that is against the teacup term thats valid for your preferences...However, my stand is where you can have a tiny puppy that stays tiny because its my preference or anyone who prefers it. I do not believe that you should breed a teacup dog that is barely 3 pounds. Teacups can com from ,for example, 5 pound dogs its genetically possible and some breeders although not show dog breeders are just as if not better... good at what they do and they are biologically and genetically informed on how to breed down the best quality dogs into what they want ie...temperament, healthy, size, etc...im not talking about any backyard breeder or puppy mill...Please read and understand what im saying dont close your minds to just oh a teacup it must be a puppymill...No! thats not what im saying...my pup is tiny (not the smallest) and came out of 5 and 6 pound parents. All im saying and maybe some others is i reserve the right to call my pup watever i want...and stop arguing i already did my research and i know what im doing...im just defending bentleymommie (originally)

We had one of those breeders here for a long time who claimed she did all the research, had bred for 20 plus years, etc.etc. and now has had several dogs pop up with serious health issues. I too have a tiny little girl from standard size parents. It happens. I honestly don't think anyone is trying to be mean to Bentlysmom or anyone else it is just everyones way of trying to educate about the myth of "teacups".

yorkietalkjilly 07-14-2013 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by amyazer (Post 4270043)
Every single one of you that is against the teacup term thats valid for your preferences...However, my stand is where you can have a tiny puppy that stays tiny because its my preference or anyone who prefers it. I do not believe that you should breed a teacup dog that is barely 3 pounds. Teacups can com from ,for example, 5 pound dogs its genetically possible and some breeders although not show dog breeders are just as if not better... good at what they do and they are biologically and genetically informed on how to breed down the best quality dogs into what they want ie...temperament, healthy, size, etc...im not talking about any backyard breeder or puppy mill...Please read and understand what im saying dont close your minds to just oh a teacup it must be a puppymill...No! thats not what im saying...my pup is tiny (not the smallest) and came out of 5 and 6 pound parents. All im saying and maybe some others is i reserve the right to call my pup watever i want...and stop arguing i already did my research and i know what im doing...im just defending bentleymommie (originally)

I agree that just because a dog is undersized, it doesn't mean it was deliberately bred to be ultra small. Runts or even just very tiny dogs are occasionally born to toy breeds and cannot be predicted apparently, even when the lineage is standard-sized from way back. None of my posts or mindset on this thread or any other thread is ever anti-tiny or teacup dogs themselves - only those that deliberately breed to produce severely undersized dogs and their customers who are subsidizing them.

Those sweet tiny little dogs are not at fault in any way and never should be discriminated against for their size or undervalued some way! They do deserve a special kind of owner who is going to have the funds, time and almost paranoid attitude that it takes to always be on the lookout for how best to keep them healthy, happy, safe and protected in the course of living life. And, a person who, should medical problems crop up, is naturally observant enough to recognize a possible problem and get them vetted ASAP as warranted by the signs or symptoms as the little tinies often haven't a lot of reserves or time when bad things happen to them. The only bone I have to pick is never with the animals but with the greeders who deliberately breed for them and the people who do business with those misery-mongers.

mimimomo 07-14-2013 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by amyazer (Post 4270043)
Every single one of you that is against the teacup term thats valid for your preferences...However, my stand is where you can have a tiny puppy that stays tiny because its my preference or anyone who prefers it. I do not believe that you should breed a teacup dog that is barely 3 pounds. Teacups can com from ,for example, 5 pound dogs its genetically possible and some breeders although not show dog breeders are just as if not better... good at what they do and they are biologically and genetically informed on how to breed down the best quality dogs into what they want ie...temperament, healthy, size, etc...im not talking about any backyard breeder or puppy mill...Please read and understand what im saying dont close your minds to just oh a teacup it must be a puppymill...No! thats not what im saying...my pup is tiny (not the smallest) and came out of 5 and 6 pound parents. All im saying and maybe some others is i reserve the right to call my pup watever i want...and stop arguing i already did my research and i know what im doing...im just defending bentleymommie (originally)

I re-read this whole thread last night, believe me I had better things to do w/my time. I did not see 1 post which attacked the OP. In fact, a post of her's was deleted bc she attacked a member that was trying to help. Then you come in 3 months later & cause more drama.
I want to know your view on where the word 'teacup' comes from, except the obvious fact that you like that word & are choosing to use it. Why use it when it stems from such misery & pain from the enslaved poor puppy mill pups? That is what I don't understand & if you choose to stay ignorant, that's not my problem. But know this, every time you use that word, you are advertising for these vile sick greedy online brokers/ re-sellers, puppy mills & BYB's, sending them unsuspecting people to purchase their 'teacup' puppies.

Yes, even reputable breeders will have a tiny in a litter. But they will never advertise it as a 'teacup'. If they do, they are NOT reputable.


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