Just want to know...

[Carissad]

I just want to know why people get on here And bash people. I am guilty of getting on here and asking something and saying it was for somebody else because I was afraid of what people might think. But now I'm not! My female had a puppy today and she was fine and baby is fine. She is small and in no way was it planned! Yes I will be getting her fixed. I have seen on here where people post that the people who this happens to are terrible people! And it's animal abuse! I am here to tell you it's hard I did keep mine separated she wore diapers and gates were in place. But I did have a slip up one morning. But I prayed and did regular check ups and everything turned out fine. All I'm saying is please think about how your comments make those people feel please.

[Teegy]

Many of the people on here have years of experience and folk just get a little passionate when they hear about pet owners not responsibly spaying then little accidents happen often jeopardizing the health of their dogs. Many people also go on the fable that all females should have a litter before she gets fixed. This puts the dog at much greater risk of breast cancer.
You may also see folk don't take advice too kindly after asking and it can spiral out into a drama.
Folk don't do it to be mean but it's a public forum and putting yourself out there may lead to scrutiny

[msyorktown]

Passions run high on here sometimes....we all want what is best for the pups.
Some of us have seen what an unplanned breeding can result in....especially for the novice that doesn't know the ins and outs of breeding. I don't think it is necessarily 'bashing' I think more its those with experience trying to get through to those that are novices and are thinking you can just put two dogs together and 'hope' all will be ok. In many, many cases that is not how it turns out....this is the fact that turned me off ever breeding my little ones. In no way do I ever want to put her life at risk....but that is just my opinion.

[yorkietalkjilly]

If she is very small and had a puppy, you are very fortunate. Usually there are far more complications and problems with females under 5 lbs. having puppies. Letting a female get pregnant - and you do when you don't spay or keep males from her until she is past estrus, can be risky to her health at any time but for a small female Yorkie, it can be deadly.

I lost a robust female Doberman due to breeding her many, many years ago and as of this day, nothing about the breeding was terribly ill-advised except that my husband and I were young, not experienced though we had done a great deal of study, put in our time helping out at our mentor's ranch, had excellent vet care, the dog had excellent prenatal and post-whelping care but likely nothing we did at all could have changed anything, as far as I know. And she was a big, healthy girl, on her third estrus before breeding and still, on the 2nd day after whelping, her milk became septic, two of her puppies died and she died, despite heroic efforts of the vets.

So any breeding and whelping can be risky and can break your heart. And cost a dear, innocent female dog her very life. It's that taking the risk by the non-professional breeder, the occasional attitude of "I did it and got by with no problems" that can worry those that have bred dogs for years and years and know what terrible complications and problems can crop up at the most unexpected times, despite the luck of the rookie breeder at times. Trying to dissuade and discourage the backyard breeder or casual breeder is an attempt to try to make them understand that because things have gone well in the past or so far, doesn't mean they will stay great or that a next time won't be tragic and very expensive in the cost of suffering by the dog(s), life of the mother and possibly pups, suffering by the breeder at seeing her dogs ill and maybe dying, and vet costs. This day and time the vet costs can just about break you financially unless you have a very large bank account! So people want to save the dogs the risk and the potential breeder the heartbreak and financial hit if they can. And yes, people get passionate when trying to make others understand that breeding a female can get very, very painful and tragic for one and all. We're trying to save a dogs' lives. When you've seen the tragedy breeding can bring, you do get a bit forceful in how you try to push the point with someone who hasn't yet experienced that with their dog(s). I wish people wouldn't "bash" as you put it but I actually see very little of that here. I do see strong disagreement and terse talk but actually very little bashing. I hope and pray that your female and her pup will stay healthy and safe and that you to spay her ASAP to save her even the risk of death from an unwanted future pregnancy. It could cost you your little female dog's life!

[KazzyK810]

I'm always amazes when someone has two un-altered animals of the opposite sex in a home & then claims the breeding was unplanned

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

I'm always amazes when someone has two un-altered animals of the opposite sex in a home & then claims the breeding was unplanned

So true. They will get together no matter what all too frequently! As so many have found out and it has cost the little girl her very life on all too many occasions, as dramatic as that sounds. They do die from the process of trying to carry, whelp or raise pups. Doesn't seem fair but there it is! We've seen so many of those sorry threads here. But sorry doesn't help the little girl. A spay could have.

[rubynrosie]

Jeanie is one of my favorite posters...she is very good at getting her point across without making the other person thinking they are being bashed. I highly respect her opinion (as I do the majority...no scratch that...as I do with all of the experienced posters) I can say I see what you are saying Carissa that at times it seems "bashing" or over the top. I was hesitant at times to post questions when I first started. BUT after you have been on here for awhile you will see...the majority are here to advocate for the one that cannot advocate for themselves...the pup. And these experienced posters have been there, done that or seen that and they don't want to see another pup or mom lost to something that could have been prevented. That is where I think the passion comes in and us inexperienced posters might think its bashing. Also, if you look at a lot of the harsher posts, look at how the original poster (OP) takes the advice given to them.. 9 times out 10 if it gets really heated...the OP is not taking the information given in a positive manner. They may be defensive (which I might be too if someone was saying I was doing something wrong with my pup who I adore), they may be acting as if the experienced breeder knows nothing or it may seem like even though they know the risks they are still going to put their pup's life in danger. That is going to get hackles up. The other thing that needs to be realized is there are thousands of posters on here with a thousand different personalities and a thousand different opinions and we all have different ways of handling situations and how we choose our words and how we attempt to get our point across..some good some bad. The biggest piece of advice i can give is be respectful, don't take things personal, be open to another's opinion, keep asking questions and keep learning. Oh and also remember because we are typing words rather than speaking some times people missinterpret because the person doesnt get the verbal and body cues behind the words...they just get the written word and sometimes misunderstandings cuz more ruckus! I hope you don't ever feel bashed. I hope if you do you bring your concerns up...just like you did now. I think it was awesome you had the courage to ask...and I hope by asking it helps you better understand.

[tntviper1]

Originally Posted by Carissad

I just want to know why people get on here And bash people. I am guilty of getting on here and asking something and saying it was for somebody else because I was afraid of what people might think. But now I'm not! My female had a puppy today and she was fine and baby is fine. She is small and in no way was it planned! Yes I will be getting her fixed. I have seen on here where people post that the people who this happens to are terrible people! And it's animal abuse! I am here to tell you it's hard I did keep mine separated she wore diapers and gates were in place. But I did have a slip up one morning. But I prayed and did regular check ups and everything turned out fine. All I'm saying is please think about how your comments make those people feel please.

i am on a lot of forums, i have made friends thru some, i feel the biggest reason is people can hide behind a keyboard, and some are just plain rude.
when your putting things out in this avenue i expect rude people.
mainly think before you post and know your audience.

most of the members on my softball board would be banned here after 2-3 posts

[Teresa Ford]

OUCH ! Some of us feel compelled to teach, and share what me have learned. Not every one can write well. Some people are very blunt and snap out questions and advice like a warrior slashing a sword. That bluntness feels accusatory, and like an attack, almost like a physical slap. My advice is ignore that post and keep asking your questions. Most of us really do want to help, but not all of can communicate kindly. All of us were new at some point, it is ok to remind us, you are new now.

[lovespandp]

I think the biggest key in pet responsibility is spaying and neutering your pets. This world has so many pets in shelters/ rescues, out on the streets, ads on Craig’s List, and just unwanted- If everyone out there that owned a pet spayed and neutered our numbers would be going down and not up. Another key in the responsibilities of owning a pet is keeping them safe from getting pregnant. If you are not responsible enough to spay- be responsible enough to keep them from having puppies. Slip ups should never happen.

I understand some people can be a little harsh, I hope before they jump on someone sit back and go to them with an open mind and be a little more friendly- Educate them instead of preach- you can get a lot further that way.

[nanahas3]

I am glad you had a successful whelp but I agree with the others its hard when you see someone post accidental breedings. We never had Laddy fixed because he wasn't around unfixed females, UNTIL we got Kyra. He was fixed 2 months later to make sure nothing like this happened. Luckily we did this because she came in at barely 6 months of age. If you read on here you find out quickly that diapers and gates just dont always work.

[MyTrixie143]

Okay, first of all, you're new so your reaction is more likely to be different than those that have been here for many years. YT'ers are very passionate about the breed and we just want to see what is best for them.

For example, I have been here for several years and time and time again, we see the same thing happening over and over and over. It does get tiring. Yes we understand accidents happen but then again what do you expect when you have an intact male and intact female and you see it happen again and again?

But putting that all aside, do you realize the message you are sending out? I'm glad your girl had a baby and did fine. Seeing posts like yours sends a message out to others that it's fine to breed the small ones because look yours had no problem so breeding small dogs must be easy. Or don't worry if there is an accident, it will all turn out well.

It's not like that at all. We have seen so many deaths and complications that all could have been prevented as so many of these stories end in tragedy or have serious complications. Unfortunately, many realize this after the fact and then come back to tell of a dreadful ending that is truly heartbreaking for us as we do care so much about them. We will always have their best interest at heart.

[navillusc]

Originally Posted by Carissad

I just want to know why people get on here And bash people. I am guilty of getting on here and asking something and saying it was for somebody else because I was afraid of what people might think. But now I'm not! My female had a puppy today and she was fine and baby is fine. She is small and in no way was it planned! Yes I will be getting her fixed. I have seen on here where people post that the people who this happens to are terrible people! And it's animal abuse! I am here to tell you it's hard I did keep mine separated she wore diapers and gates were in place. But I did have a slip up one morning. But I prayed and did regular check ups and everything turned out fine. All I'm saying is please think about how your comments make those people feel please.

IDK what justifiable reason exists. It is sad that members fear drawing 'flames and rage' ire by their honest posting, requesting information or assistance. {{{Hugs}}}

I am glad all went well for your baby...and her baby. Congratulations!

Did I mix the pix?