HELP! Are my newborns yorkies?

[Lorraine]

First of all there is no such thing as purebred sable/gold born that way Yorkie. Yorkies can be born chocolate due to a double recessive gene, blue born same problem, double recessive, or the normal black and tan. As they mature they can become what looks like gold called running gold but ifyou look at the skin level you will see the blue saddle underneath with the gold on top.
Sable in yorkies does not exist. The gold born are from crosses. I groom one and it is actually a yorkie/pom cross.
I hope you consider the advice to have both your dogs spayed/neutered. It is a huge responsibility and management to keep them safe and to keep the female from getting bred with an unwanted male. Here's the news flash, females in season when the time is right are going to be way worse than males to try to get bred before they come out of season. You were lucky she stayed in the front yard. I would suspect she got out as a intact male may have been around.
Both male and female left intact, can get out of a house/yard and wander for miles looking to procreate. And get killed by cars, other animals in the process.
I have doors all over the inside of my house to double secure them getting out to the front door. My back yard is double fenced. I put considerable expense in securing my house and am still extra extra careful no one gets out.

[msyorktown]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

First of all there is no such thing as purebred sable/gold born that way Yorkie. Yorkies can be born chocolate due to a double recessive gene, blue born same problem, double recessive, or the normal black and tan. As they mature they can become what looks like gold called running gold but ifyou look at the skin level you will see the blue saddle underneath with the gold on top.
Sable in yorkies does not exist. The gold born are from crosses. I groom one and it is actually a yorkie/pom cross.
I hope you consider the advice to have both your dogs spayed/neutered. It is a huge responsibility and management to keep them safe and to keep the female from getting bred with an unwanted male. Here's the news flash, females in season when the time is right are going to be way worse than males to try to get bred before they come out of season. You were lucky she stayed in the front yard. I would suspect she got out as a intact male may have been around.
Both male and female left intact, can get out of a house/yard and wander for miles looking to procreate. And get killed by cars, other animals in the process.
I have doors all over the inside of my house to double secure them getting out to the front door. My back yard is double fenced. I put considerable expense in securing my house and am still extra extra careful no one gets out.

Thank you for the education yet again Lorraine....I'm no breeder, novice yorkie owner, even I thought something was off....please don't take offence OP, none intended. I just had never heard of a sable/gold yorkie. Thank you for clarifying, I learn something new from this site everyday.

Thankfully there were no problems with the whelp...please keep us posted on the progress of the pups...they are adorable!

[Julia Howard]

Sorry I hate to disagree with you. There are born blonde yorkies. It is also a recessive gene and of course must be in both parents. Fifteen years ago, I have my first blondes born in a litter with two traditionals. My local vets were astounded to but I only had yorkies, no other dogs, just cats. I witnessed both ties. But to satisfy myself I did DNA and yes they are like the partis. Have been cropping up for years but it was the same with the goldens as the partis - hush, hush. I have been able to reproduce the goldens a few times and now own six adults. I have had them crop up in litters from the original pair that I bred and have definitely worked to keep them in my line. I love the colors. The gold and parti. If in doubt, do a DNA.
In this case it is impossible to know without DNA since she was allowed in the front yard unsupervised. Including a couple of pics. I know a lot of people call them golden if they turn golden as they get older. That is a totally different thing and those are not true "born blondes".

[carmen in nj]

Originally Posted by Julia Howard

Sorry I hate to disagree with you. There are born blonde yorkies. It is also a recessive gene and of course must be in both parents. Fifteen years ago, I have my first blondes born in a litter with two traditionals. My local vets were astounded to but I only had yorkies, no other dogs, just cats. I witnessed both ties. But to satisfy myself I did DNA and yes they are like the partis. Have been cropping up for years but it was the same with the goldens as the partis - hush, hush. I have been able to reproduce the goldens a few times and now own six adults. I have had them crop up in litters from the original pair that I bred and have definitely worked to keep them in my line. I love the colors. The gold and parti. If in doubt, do a DNA.
In this case it is impossible to know without DNA since she was allowed in the front yard unsupervised. Including a couple of pics. I know a lot of people call them golden if they turn golden as they get older. That is a totally different thing and those are not true "born blondes".

Wow, so I thought, it was no other dogs in this house and the lady was as shocked as I was.. and she had them DNA too and yep, full yorkies. but since Yorkies are NOT my forte, I never dissagree with a full knowledge breeder , now if this was a silky I would go all the way. love the pictures of the blonde..
hugs,

[Lorraine]

Nope never been a solid colour yorkie purebred, they don't carry the gene. even the chocolate and blue born have a slightly different saddle colour.
Unfortunately DNA testing more than 15 years ago is not what it is today. You could not prove what might have happened a generation or two back in the pedigree.
For example, I have seen more than one Yorkie/maltese mix that you would swear was a purebred Yorkie. Fine if you aren't breeding it but guess what happens in the whelping box when you do.
I know the people that are trying to promote wrong colours and swear they are from purebreds traditional. They may be from what looks like traditional but unless you truely know the dogs from way further back you won't know for sure what happened.
You see, when a breeder whether AKC or CKC in Canada registers a litter they provide the registrations numbers of the alleged sire and dam. NEither registries check anything unless a puppy buyer questions it. Then DNAs can be done to insure that is the real sire or dam.
If a grandparent or further back was indeed not quite shall we say the get of the alleged parents, you are going to get not actual purebred.
It is very important to know what breeder you are dealing with when you are buying something to breed.

[lynzy420]

Wow, the things I learn on YT.

They are all beautiful pups, no doubt about it and omg the sable little one is adorable...I love pups! I wonder really what they are...

Seeing the differences in chocolate, blond, etc., I love them all but still can't help but think...what are we doing to this breed...but thats life Iguess

[msyorktown]

Originally Posted by Julia Howard

Sorry I hate to disagree with you. There are born blonde yorkies. It is also a recessive gene and of course must be in both parents. Fifteen years ago, I have my first blondes born in a litter with two traditionals. My local vets were astounded to but I only had yorkies, no other dogs, just cats. I witnessed both ties. But to satisfy myself I did DNA and yes they are like the partis. Have been cropping up for years but it was the same with the goldens as the partis - hush, hush. I have been able to reproduce the goldens a few times and now own six adults. I have had them crop up in litters from the original pair that I bred and have definitely worked to keep them in my line. I love the colors. The gold and parti. If in doubt, do a DNA.
In this case it is impossible to know without DNA since she was allowed in the front yard unsupervised. Including a couple of pics. I know a lot of people call them golden if they turn golden as they get older. That is a totally different thing and those are not true "born blondes".

Thank you as well Julia. I had a breeder contact me to tell me she had a blonde yorkie, when I was looking to add another baby to my household. I thought she was trying to pull some kind of scam, so I went elsewhere.
The blonde you have is stunning...that same breeder is now retiring one of her blondes....I may just have to get her as the price is right and she has been spayed. I have to say it again, she is just gorgeous!

[Nancy1999]

First of all, DNA isn't proof positive that they are Yorkies, it can only tell you if the parents are the parents. It won't tell you that there's a mix on grandma's side.

To the OP, I hope you consider fixing these dogs. The Yorkshire terrier breed is being ruined by too many people wanting to breed these dogs without really taking the steps to become a good breeder. Breeding is hard work to really do it right and it takes so much time. Your pets will be better pets if you have them fixed. You were extremely lucky this time, and thank goodness you found a good home for the offspring, but any dog your dog produces is your responsibility for life.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

First of all, DNA isn't proof positive that they are Yorkies, it can only tell you if the parents are the parents. It won't tell you that there's a mix on grandma's side.

To the OP, I hope you consider fixing these dogs. The Yorkshire terrier breed is being ruined by too many people wanting to breed these dogs without really taking the steps to become a good breeder. Breeding is hard work to really do it right and it takes so much time. Your pets will be better pets if you have them fixed. You were extremely lucky this time, and thank goodness you found a good home for the offspring, but any dog your dog produces is your responsibility for life.

Oh, Nancy, that is fascinating. It can't tell whether a dog had "Yorkshire Terrier" and "Chihuahua" ancestry or anythings like that? Do you have some source document links to read? I remember watching a TV show where dogs' genetics were guessed by "experts" and then DNA tests supposedly told them there was Terrier, Beagle and Bernese Mountain Dog in its immediate ancestry. And see posts here and articles online all the time talking about how they can tell you your dog's heritage or breed type. Wow.

[Lovetodream88]

How come your male and female weren't fixed?

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Oh, Nancy, that is fascinating. It can't tell whether a dog had "Yorkshire Terrier" and "Chihuahua" ancestry or anythings like that? Do you have some source document links to read? I remember watching a TV show where dogs' genetics were guessed by "experts" and then DNA tests supposedly told them there was Terrier, Beagle and Bernese Mountain Dog in its immediate ancestry. And see posts here and articles online all the time talking about how they can tell you your dog's heritage or breed type. Wow.

The tests are based upon taking blood samples of the main breeds and comparing a new blood sample to those breeds, so you get a cluster type of effect, the dog is MOSTLY xyz. Eventually, as more and more samples are gathered the results become more absolute, but that’s only assuming everyone was honest and careful. It really not the type of test that most scientists hold a lot of faith in, but it does give us some information, and that information builds other information over time. However, it’s not the type of DNA test where they are breaking down the Yorkie DNA code. You know, where they actually see the string of DNA and can see how Yorkies are different than Shih Tzu's. Maybe someday, but dogs are much more difficult to break than many other species. I’ve heard that it’s fairly accurate at telling us, Maury Povitch style, if the father is the father, ect. I haven't done much research lately, so I don't have the best links, but there's a lot of information out there just google, Mars DNA testing.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Mars DNA testing. Okay, thank you.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Wow, the things I learn on YT.

They are all beautiful pups, no doubt about it and omg the sable little one is adorable...I love pups! I wonder really what they are...

Seeing the differences in chocolate, blond, etc., I love them all but still can't help but think...what are we doing to this breed...but thats life Iguess

The reputable breeders are not for one minute buying into this and will be the first to tell you those that are breeding purposely for wrong colours are destroying the breed. See Articles on both the YTCA website, parent club for the Yorkie in USA and on the CYTA site CYTA - Home , parent club for Canada.
People that don't understand breed standards don't understand what purebred dogs are about.
DId you know that there was a movement in Pugs to try to introduce brindle colour non existent in pugs and their Parent Clubs have made it a DQ or unacceptable in the ring? It was found they were likely from mixing another breed such as Bostons to get the colour.
Same drill in Chihuahua's with Merle colour which also carried eye problems including blindness even as pups or early life. The President of the CHi Club here in Canada petitioned the CKC to not allow them in the ring and ALSO to stop them being registered and was upheld by the CKC (Canadian Club) much to the dismay of 'dog sellers' only interested in selling 'new' colours and not interested in the breed at all.

[Yorkiemomma78]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

Same drill in Chihuahua's with Merle colour which also carried eye problems including blindness even as pups or early life. The President of the CHi Club here in Canada petitioned the CKC to not allow them in the ring and ALSO to stop them being registered and was upheld by the CKC (Canadian Club) much to the dismay of 'dog sellers' only interested in selling 'new' colours and not interested in the breed at all.

We are just now starting to hear about the merle chihuahuas here and I know a woman who recently bought one..he cost her 700€ (which is rediculously expensive for here) and I hate to say that the poor thing is not much to look at.He looks like he´s dirty and one of his eyes is white too,which makes him look blind in one eye.To me,these designer sub-breeds are a bad idea,because they arent usually an imporovement at all and they have all kinds of issues that no one is prepared for...not to mention they cost ALOT of money and you dont really know what you´re buying.

We are also being sold "mini" french bulldogs here.They are tiny little things and cost an arm and a leg,and god knows what they´ve done to achieve that Regular french bulldogs already have many health issues and alergies,so who knows what kind of issues these new smaller ones will have.

[KazzyK810]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

The reputable breeders are not for one minute buying into this and will be the first to tell you those that are breeding purposely for wrong colours are destroying the breed.

I'm not a breeder, just a life-long lover of Yorkshire Terriers, and I completely agree with this!