Yorkie and pitbull Biting each other Help !

[MikaTallulah]

IMO- No Dog Should Be An Outdoor Dog!

Sounds like play but play can easily get out of hand when the 2 are different sizes!

[DBlain]

I thought of this thread this morning, Lola was laying next to her toy, I went to pick it up to toss it to her. She did not intend to bite me, she just went to grab it and my finger got in the way. I can't believe how deep her tooth went in and how much blood it drew. I actually had chills from it. Lola is 5.25 lbs but when playing or thinking about playing she gets very worked up and mouthy. Had she been a bigger dog I might be at the doctor right now. I know many of you mix dog sizes but like the link Nancy posted proves, without constant supervision the combo of a larger dog with a much smaller dog is an accident waiting to happen.

Play biting can be just as bad as biting on purpose. I was playing tug of war with my friends large dog one evening. I pulled the toy hard towards me and the dog lurched to get it and wound up biting into my lower arm. I was wearing a very heavy sweater but I felt the pain and then later when I got home saw that the dog's teeth marks were in my arm and in two places had broken the skin. I had a doctor friend with a pair of dobby sisters, he used to laugh about how he would have to stich up an ear or a leg from their "playing" So don't be fooled, when it's not a level playing field things could go wrong.

[kay6688]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Sounds like the Yorkie is in for a reallybad time one day and a pretty miserable life in the meantime getting bitten by a pitbull. Muzzle your pitbull any time it is around the smaller, more fragile dog.

You don't even want to know what happened to my son's 66lb basset hound by their 6month old female 22lb pit - just advising you to never, ever leave them alone & I would be so careful with your yorkies around any bigger dog

[Britster]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I feel like this is just an accident waiting to happen. If you’re going to have a pit bull you should learn how to train it. Hitting a dog can actually make it become more aggressive, that's how they "train" dogs to fight. Please take yout dog to obedience school, the knowledge you gain will help you with all your dogs throughout your life time, it's really worth it. You might be interested in this thread, their Yorkie and Pit bull used to play and one time they left them alone "for a second." http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...weet-baby.html

Just wanted to point out... the dog in the thread/linked posted was not a Pit Bull, but a Bull Terrier. Two very different breeds. But irregardless, I agree that they should never ever be left alone. I'd never own one with my small dog, simply due to their dog aggression issues. It's a well known trait in Pits.

[nanahas3]

I also would be very careful of leaving them together alone. My father had a large Plot Hound when I was younger killed by his friends Pitt and both men were standing with the dogs. The pitt suddenly grabbed dads hound by the throat and by the time they were seperated it was to late for dads dog. I know pitts get a bad rep but they do tend to have severe animal aggression if not properly trained.

[DBlain]

after reading all these posts I wonder why people bring such stress on themselves. it's hard enough watching and training one puppy and I would venture to say it's harder to train an aggressive breed puppy, so now not only do you have to train it, you need to keep it seperated from your other dogs.. Jeeesh everyone has a right to their own decisions but personally that would be to much stress and not enough fun trying to keep the dogs apart, even when supervised a problem can happen. I know I am not man enough for the job

[Britster]

Originally Posted by DBlain

after reading all these posts I wonder why people bring such stress on themselves. it's hard enough watching and training one puppy and I would venture to say it's harder to train an aggressive breed puppy, so now not only do you have to train it, you need to keep it seperated from your other dogs.. Jeeesh everyone has a right to their own decisions but personally that would be to much stress and not enough fun trying to keep the dogs apart, even when supervised a problem can happen. I know I am not man enough for the job

I agree with all this but... "an aggressive breed puppy?" Seriously?

[DBlain]

Originally Posted by Britster

I agree with all this but... "an aggressive breed puppy?" Seriously?

yes perhaps I did not make myself clear, I mean a puppy that is from a breed that is known to be more agressive than some others. I have read here time and time again how really important it is to to train and know how to deal with a dog that comes from a breed that is known to be more agressive than say a Golden. Do you not agree that some breeds are naturally more agressive than others?

[yorkietalkjilly]

My first Yorkie hated other dogs play-biting and crowding him. He was a tiny Yorkie and very conscious of his inadequacies in play situations with other dogs so he just began to avoid our miniature poodle and miniature Schnauzer, both of whom were larger and more powerful. Trying to slow those two down and train them to be as cautious and delicate in playing with Scotty as he required soon proved to be futile and was taking the fun out of both Chantal and Jock's playlife as they wanted to include Scotty and loved getting their way with him at every chance. Scotty was so frustrated by never "winning" in any play situation and in time, he began to get extremely frustrated and I feared he would become aggressive or begin to have a level of stress he could no longer handle. He was only 3 lbs. grown and very fragile. But Scotty was unlike any dog I'd ever had and my total soulmate so when he started to leave the room when either of the other dogs came in it, I realized I had created a big problem for all the dogs.

In time I rehomed both of the other dogs, realizing all of the 3 deserved better in their lives than I was providing trying to mix this group, one of which was a "tiny". I realized I had made a bad mistake trying to do it and hadn't the skills to better the situation for all of them anytime soon. From then on, Scotty had a wonderful life and had no more dogs biting or crowding him, overpowering or frustrating him. Chantal, an absolutely perfect creme miniature with wonderful lineage, conformation, coat and spirit, wound up with a divorcee who loved poodles and had the time, money and nature to give that lovely poodle the life she deserved. Jock went to a couple with a 12 year old son who badly needed a best friend who could match him energy-wise and was hardy enough to keep up with him step-for-step, sleep with him and make him laugh a lot.

Scotty and I lived our quiet little life together after that and I learned all of the fun it is to have a Yorkie who is happy and at peace in its own home. Had I kept the other two dogs and not stopped their constantly rough play and hounding him, I don't believe my frail little Scotty would have ever enjoyed his life anywhere near as much as he did just being an "only" dog who went everywhere with and did every thing with me from then on. I can't imagine what Scotty would have been like had either of my other two dogs grown into a dog over 60 lbs. who played too rough with him, maybe even drew blood on occasion, when I turned my back at the fridge or took a phone call - but I think I can. I think he would have hated that life. He was far too macho in spirit to enjoy always being a play toy to another dog.

Same thing happened when I got my Jilly, another tiny Yorkie, a playmate, Teddy, who was a regular-sized Yorkie puppy. That puppy quickly grew to be larger and far rougher with Jilly than she could enjoy and she started getting ill, decompensating. Once Teddy was placed in another home, Jilly returned to her normal, happy self. So I learned some Yorkies just have too much ego and pride to be treated roughly by another dog and just can't happily adjust to it ever.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by DBlain

yes perhaps I did not make myself clear, I mean a puppy that is from a breed that is known to be more agressive than some others. I have read here time and time again how really important it is to to train and know how to deal with a dog that comes from a breed that is known to be more agressive than say a Golden. Do you not agree that some breeds are naturally more agressive than others?

Pits are not more aggressive...they are terriers just like our yorkies and have a high prey drive chase instinct...just like our yorkies, hense other dog attacks. Please note even during dog in dog attacks people statistically on get bitten when taking or getting between the aggrressor and the prey...i.e. try to take a live mouse from a yorkie-just watch your fingers.

We read about people pit attacks more for other contributing reasons
Such as
How many chihuahua bites get reported?
Too many unfit dog owners get pits for a false pretence of power and abuse them.
Pits are highly people attached dogs-they will defend their people (way more than their territory) also they require socialization (terriers) or they get fear aggressive.
Their mythical lock jaw which is just a powerful over developeda in breedingthe muscle...they areare not aligator dogs.
Etc.

Actually agressive breeds aren't even in the terrier class: chows, GSD, Rots, Tibetan Mountain Dogs, etc.
However: blue nose pits (whitesor white &silver grey called a blue) are in serious genetic decline due to bottle neck line breeding to create them (like Biewers but much more accelorated) so they are suffering neurologal genetic issues currently being evaluated.
The symptoms include, self mutalation in biting licking, repedative actions, circling, spontaneous lack of impulse control (getting up randomly running into walls etc) agression (yep random spontaneous previously not an issue) antisocial behavior (very unterrier) exceeding cases of blues eating random object's and not edibles-not chewing for example a metal can but chewing and eating it-many reported rock eaters despite food readily available.

[concretegurl]

Just for the sake of saying so and since I'm already of a differing opinion:

I have no preference for weiner (dashlhou ds) or chis (chihuahuas) I find them to be in my personal experience the most nasty vicious dogs I have ever encountered...I have met many my grandma's best friend and her family bred and only owned weiner dogs (swear they populated half the county here ugh) mean mean little dogs to kids especially...last year my neighbor's weiner messed up a racoon!
Bred to kill badgers what do we expect-imagine if they were big...or just had proportional legs, at least you can out run them.

Chi's are disproporationally over populated here in CA, from the family dog, to rescue, to the abundance of purse pups-7of them in my family alone.

I have literally met hundreds, I have met 3 I would trust enough to pet without fear of bite. Sorry chi owners, I have no ill will and no offense, but no love for the breed at all-evil little snappers in my experience, oober territorial.

My daughter wanted a chi or a yorkie...we have Elvis...

[pinkpatty]

I normally do not get into these discussions, but this time will be an exception. A terrier is a terrier is a terrier. A person is just as likely to get bitten by their Yorkshire terrier as their Pit Bull terrier. Both have high prey drive of the terrier breed. Yes you hear more about Pit Bulls but they can do more damage due to their size. Would I keep the two together, no, maybee a female yorkie and a male pit of the same age raised together would be fine with the proper owner. Never two females and I would think twice about two males.

[Britster]

Agree with posts above^

Thought I'd mention, too, that dog aggression is completely separate from human aggression. Not to be confused. Just because a dog is DA does NOT make them HA.

[nanahas3]

The pit that killed my fathers dog all these many years ago was trained to hunt bear. They said he had no fear of them at all so I am not sure if that had anything to do with the attack on dads hound or not. I have been around other pits who were very sweet and gentle since. As with any dog I think training is a must. We had a sweet german shephard when I was pregnant with my oldest who one day decided out of the blue when I told her down because she was on the sofa to bite my arm. Before we got her she had been a police dog so training we thought was not an issue. I have had a fear of large dogs since so I don't have one. I love all dogs but some at a distance. We have had dashounds but never an aggressive one. Same with our grandaughters chi's but all were trained from the puppy age.

[DBlain]

you guys are right and I thought I said so in an earlier post, yorkies also have been know to be very aggressive. I know this first hand because I owned two at different times that wanted to kill any dog they came in contact with, only they were both less than 5 lbs so the only damage they did was to themselves since they both attacked much larger dogs. Westies and Scotties can be pretty aggressive as well, often when walking we encounter smaller dogs that when we approach the owner will say, don't get to close they don't like other dogs. The big difference of course is size and the amount of damage the larger prey driven aggressive dog can do. Training obviously is important but since I had two highly aggressive yorkies and two sweet as pie yorkies and now Lola a mix of two breeds that are known to be snippy but has yet not met a dog or human she does not instantly love I know that sometimes instinct and personality trumps training. I also wonder about rescue pits, with so many of you talking about the importance of training early and special training, I sure would be extra nervous taking on an adult pit since often not much is known about their early life.