Yorkie and pitbull Biting each other Help !

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by Britster

Pits do not get to be 90lbs.... had to be mix of sorts. A true American Pit Bull Terrier would never get that large, unless they were fat.

They are pure muscle, and yes can climb a wall, but 90lbs? Never seen a pure bred APBT that size. They range between 30-60lbs.

I'll post a pic,can't from my cell... she's papered & DNA'd.

[concretegurl]

Edits:
Muglestons Pitbull Farm - Best prices on NuVet Dog Vitamins
They got their stock from the same breeder we have here. Not sure why my phone wrote Muggle(stein)...stinking cell.

I'll post pics when we get our pc back up-I can't post pics from my cell or ipad apparebtly

[kjc]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Edits:
Muglestons Pitbull Farm - Best prices on NuVet Dog Vitamins
They got their stock from the same breeder we have here. Not sure why my phone wrote Muggle(stein)...stinking cell.

I'll post pics when we get our pc back up-I can't post pics from my cell or ipad apparebtly

Can't spell either, Lol!(JK)

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by kjc

Can't spell either, Lol!(JK)

Seriously true! Auto-fill & auto-correct suck!

I see my previous posts and I'm like what the cream cheese happened!!?

[brezofleur]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Edits:
Muglestons Pitbull Farm - Best prices on NuVet Dog Vitamins
They got their stock from the same breeder we have here. Not sure why my phone wrote Muggle(stein)...stinking cell.

I'll post pics when we get our pc back up-I can't post pics from my cell or ipad apparebtly

HA HA!

TBH, I thought you were making some reference to the Harry Potter world...

[Belle Noir]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Mine was 90lbs...pure bred, just grew & grew...our best friend is called a Staff, 110lbs-purebeed as well. It happens.

Lolol, yes, this is true. One of my dogs was Outlaw, 110 lbs pure muscle from Freeman's Preacher Boy weight pull lines. It was like Honey I blew up the pit bull. Perfect conformations (except for these weird itty bitty shar pei ears, but they're only a point or two, so no biggie).

I confess to a prejudice. There are certain lines of dogs, where the originator has as much as admitted cross breeding, that are registered and hitting over 100 lbs on the regular, and going 120-140 with some frequency. I'm sorry, those are not pit bulls. I don't care what the papers say... Yet people get the idea that these over hyped and over promoted lines are what pit bulls are supposed to be. When I have to argue to the ignorant that my grand champion 32 lb bitch is indeed a pure bred pit, because what they see is poorly bred, substandard, mostly cross bred **it bulls with blocky heads, wide chests, weighing over 100 lbs... Yeah, it makes me a bit testy.

And the over done style of the dogs conformation shows other breed influences, with super wide chests, drooping flews and a tendency to be a bit too wrinkled. Some of these people are actually marketing their dogs as a new breed, while at the same time using real registries to register their dogs while their own new breed registry grows.

The biggest dog I bred was 87 show weight, from a line that was on average 45 lbs. We have NO idea where he came from, even though DNA proved momma didn't get romanced by some unknown Lothario, so yes it does happen. But typically, these dogs are not correct. My guy was a tad too lippy, full drop ears, and a touch long in the stifle.

If you look at old records, you would find that a dog hitting 55 lbs was a rarity. Colby's Pincher, 100 years ago was a 72 lb dog a size that was shocking in a world of 30-40 lb dogs. Colby's Primo, whose size I can't recall, was said to be the basis of of Am Staff standard, and not only was the Colby family instrumental in getting the APBT recognized by the AKC (though under a different name, lol), a good number of the Am Staff parent stock was Colby dogs. This is one of the reasons I think that the Am Staff on average is larger than the APBT. This is of course, aside form over feeding the dogs for "substance".

Again, I have my prejudice against certain types of pit bull looks. Me and my best friend fuss constantly, because I don't like the length of his dogs backs. He likes them longer bodied, I like them more up on their legs. His dogs are slightly more rectangular than square.. They do OK in the ring, but if he would listen to me.. I found this awesome stud whose pedigree compliments one of his bitches, and would compensate for her longer body.. and he'd clean up in the ring, cause this male is so flashy with awesome head, topline, backend and movement, but he won't listen. *sigh*

Let me state for the record.. The ADBA gives no set size, except to say the tallest dog at a given weight, the UKC states males 35-60, females 30-50 and dog over that are not to be penalized unless they are too thick or rangy, and the AKC states height and weight in proportion, males 18-19 at the shoulder and females 17-18 to be preferred, though their idea of what is in proportion and mine are vastly different, lol.

I'm not going to pussy foot around. I insulted some people, and I insulted their dogs. I'm sorry for that. We all have a right to express our opinions, but we need to be mindful of others feelings when we do. Sometimes when writing on a topic we're passionate about, we forget about others in our zeal. Though I did not mean to, that is what I did. So again, those whose dogs I insulted, I'm sorry. I allowed passion to overtake prudence, and that was wrong.

And now back to your regularly scheduled yorkie talk, lol.
/hijack

[DBlain]

Originally Posted by gracielove

Why have a dog if you are going to keep it outside? Give the dog to someone that will spend time training it to be a good family member. If the pup plays rough now I would not want it to be around my Yorkie as it gets older. They are very strong dogs and can hurt a small dog by accident very easily.

ditto, no sure why anyone would get a pit pup when planning to keep it outside at a home they did not even have yet, especially when they already own two small dogs. What about when it is raining, snowing, really hot, or really cold. Are you having a temp. controlled house built for the dog I really don't understand people that get dogs for the outside unless you live on a farm and need a farm dog.

Can I ask you the reason you bought the pit puppy?

[DBlain]

Originally Posted by Dreamzz_xo

Its going to be outside when i cant supervise her . Thats what i mean by outside dog. Just cause its an outside dog doesnt mean im going to forget about her im going to treat her the same way i do my yorkies. And for the pit i feed her differently im going to start giving her blue ribbon to get her musculer and fit. For teething i had bought her a teething bone she didnt like it so i had bought my bigger yorkie a 6 in bone and the pit chews on that or smaller bones that we have. The only times i hit my pit is wen shes trying to bite my yorkie. For discipline i pick her up by her back neck like the mothers do when their in trouble and i put her in time out in the restroom.

so confused by inside vs outside comments, so I guess you are saying when you are not home the dog will be out outside, that's also a bad idea. Also even when you are home something can happen, it only takes an instant.

I think training any dog, especially a pit since you really need to socialize it well is a full time responsibility, having two other dogs that you are trying to keep separate just seems like an accident waiting to happen.

[gracielove]

It's really not a good idea to use that kind of force on a dog of any size. It causes them to anticipate your actions and that can lead to defensive actions by the dog. The mother only uses that kind of option for discipline for a very short time span when they are little. She needs to be started in a serious puppy obedience class as soon as possible and then continued through to the highest level of obedience category. You do not want a dog like that if you cannot depend on it obeying your voice the first time.

I have a family member that has two much loved Pits that are house dogs. I would never take my dog over there. When they were puppies they were pretty well behaved but they would often get high spirited inside. They are now not huge dogs but they are heavy boned and very muscular. One wrong step and it could seriously hurt a small dog.

I could never have walked even the smaller of those two dogs by myself until they were fully obedience trained. They were just too strong and could have been a danger if they had gotten off lead. Not because they were mean but because they were so boisterous and fast! Dogs like that need to be walked regularly. The lack of exercise of sitting in the backyard does not run off the energy that they have, it actually makes them more excited and mischievous when they get inside. So many of these dogs end up in the shelters and are put down because the owners do not realize the training it takes to obtain a well behaved Pit that is not a bother or a danger to the home and the neighborhood.

[gemy]

@dreamzz

You have had lots of good advice so far. Please take it to heart. A good trainer will also show you how to exercise your growing dog safely.

I like Building the Canine Athlete by M Christine Zink DVM Phd

You are going to need to become very alert and aware - as the situation you have created for yourself puts your Yorkies at risk.

Quite frankly I have never allowed my Yorkie to play with the my big dogs. When my Yorkie was a puppy and I had a female BRT puppy, their time together unleashed was very short and always Supervised. She was never allowed out in the yard with my Yorkie as she was too young and had too hgh a prey drive to be trusted. She was over 2yrs old before they were allowed in the same room not closely supervised.
The only activity all three dogs do together and that would be with two adults present is water work. Mainly fetch and retrieve and dock jumping.

And yes that meant crate and rotate for 2yrs.

Good luck with your new puppy and I hope that things go well for you.

[Nancy1999]

I feel like this is just an accident waiting to happen. If you’re going to have a pit bull you should learn how to train it. Hitting a dog can actually make it become more aggressive, that's how they "train" dogs to fight. Please take yout dog to obedience school, the knowledge you gain will help you with all your dogs throughout your life time, it's really worth it. You might be interested in this thread, their Yorkie and Pit bull used to play and one time they left them alone "for a second." http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...weet-baby.html

[concretegurl]

Belle Noir...you're not being a breed snob or the like, you have a trained eye and critically evaluate dogs the way a good breeder, handler, judge would and should.

Just for clarification for everyone, I'm not supporting Mugglestons breeding just showing them as reference they bred down an oversized litter they got from a breeder I know to produce their stock-well they got "breeding stock" from many different kennels and lines.

Personally I don't think even horses should be kept strictly outside, we horse barns for a reason.
Anyone familiar with a range of terriers knows these dogs especially do not belong outside, physically unequipt and behaviorally very dependant on human contact.

Nancy us exactly correct hitting can result in two undesirable results a fearful unsocial dog or a fear aggressive dog...while an abused yorkie can be handled often even if a fear biter, a fear aggressive pit faces a death sentence even if put in private nokill rescue...both might be rehabilitatable but reality shoes us only one actually gets the chance.

[katienme2002]

I used to own a pit bull, and it sounds from the way you are describing its actions, its playing. When pits play, they play HARD..I see nothing wrong with having both , but NEVER EVER under any circumstances leave them alone together, and never hit either. You need to do some sort of positive reinforcement..Def. get a trainer since you have never owned the breed before. I am worried for the yorkies safety, even though you say she can "hold her own", she wont when that pit is ALOT bigger than her...JMO>..

[LilAnnCamp]

I have a male poodle (7lbs) who is 11 years old. I have a male Pitbull (75 lbs) who is about 7 years old. We adopted the pit almost 4 years ago and he had no training. Both dogs unneutered at the time. They are the best of friends. I would even crate them together (although I don't). You have to train a dog. PERIOD. We now have a 6 month old yorkie puppy(3lbs). You have to watch dogs like you would have to watch kids. You never get a large dog to be a watch dog. Any dog will bark when people pull up.


Puppies are alot of work which I'm sure you know since you have 2 under 1 year. I would just train them and keep both. Both my yorkie and pitbull require alot of attention. Make sure to give them their "own" time. The pitbulls don't stand a chance in this world.

[concretegurl]

Tbh I was very attracted to not only the look of miniature schnauzers but their personality trait of being great guard dogs.

Miniature schnauzers 'herd'and perimenter guard and alert...my Princess has had no formal training for this just strong genetic needs to do so, she circles the kids and when first let out does a perimeter check of her yard.

She fails as an alerter she's a quiet watcher...but my yorkie boys-they have alerting down without a doubt!