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10-14-2012, 05:32 AM | #31 |
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10-14-2012, 06:24 AM | #32 |
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| Most things in life aren't perfect. If you wait till you're ready and can afford kids, you'll never have them. If you wait till you can afford a pet and are responsible enough for one, you might never have one of those either. Life is too short! A pet that is well loved will love you, no matter how much money you have. I don't have health insurance so I know how hard it is when you need medical care and just can't have it. Sometimes you make sacrifices in your life but you do the best you can.
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10-14-2012, 07:57 AM | #33 |
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| [QUOTE=gracielove;4033443]I think it is social snobbery to say that people who have little money should not be allowed to have a pet. Thankfully, there are still people who love animals and want to give one a home. I'm not talking about people who neglect and abuse animals. But there are people of limited income who still need to love a dog or cat and the animal needs someone to care for them. To me a person that loves their dog but is facing a couple of thousand dollars in vet bills to fix the liver shunt should be able to go to a humane organization and get help without having to turn the dog over. If the people love the dog and take care of it properly but have limited funds for a catastrophic medical condition why not let the people keep their pet but help them anyway? Dogs don't care what economic condition their owner is in. They don't care if they live in an expensive house or an old house. They care about their people and love them unconditionally. This is so true. Many of the seniors I work with would love to have a dog. There are a few programs that place dogs with seniors and provide dog food and routine medical care with Vets who donate time and meds. Sadly no such program here. to Britt I should have said Most dogs (Not just Yorkies) are treated differently than the farm dogs I grew up with. Just like the way training methods for dogs and how we raise and correct our children has changed, so has how most of us view our pets. Many other cultures really don't understand Americans ( a generalization here) and how Americans feel about their pets. They can not understand how an animal can be so loved or is that important to a person. True in some countries their streets and villages have stray dogs and cats and they think dogs are unclean. They think it is horrible that we spend money on dogs and that we don't respect our elderly, because we put them in homes. Many people that live in South America, Africa, India, China, Philippians and the Middle East certainly don't consider dogs part of the family. Sorry I am on a roll here, anyway..... Pets fill many roles in our culture. Pets are sometimes surrogate best friends, our fur child, and family. ( My niece is a DINK (duel income, no kids) in her mid 30s. Told me, that she loves her dog more than most humans and that she would choose her Yorkie over people. She said, she won't have children, because her dog fills that baby need.) I have even advised a friend to get rid of the boyfriend and keep the dog. Our culture has changed. Yes, (Yorkies) Dogs are thought of differently today. We spend more, than we ever have, in any time in history on pets. We have pets that have no job except to be a companion and they have a status that was unheard of even 20 years ago. Yes, I aggree, big dogs cost more for basics than a small dog. Back to the topic. Love is not enough, we need to be able to afford, food, shelter, and basic routine medical care for ANY BEING that is our responsibility.
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10-14-2012, 08:26 AM | #34 | |
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But if that person is living in severely reduced circumstances, doing without medicine or things they need just to feed that dog, I am way more understanding but still it makes you queasy to think a dog is suffering. I personally think a person should think long and hard before getting a dog that might have to suffer or die some day because they can't afford its vet treatment and decide whether they would be willing to do without many things to treat their dog if it ever came to it. Sell that expensive computer or HDTV, those high-priced earrings. I'm not talking about the huge amounts some spend extending a dog's life with cancer in several areas in its body or something like that but to surgically repair a fracture or LP surgery, that sort of thing. I understand not many can or would want to treat for months or prolong the life of hopeless, cancer-ridden dog and run up bills of $25k+ & such - many people can't afford that kind of extended treatment or don't believe in putting an animal through extroadinary treatment measures. But for those who can't or won't just get a hip dislocation surgically reduced because of money and want an organization to help when they are driving a less than 10 year old car, carrying an expensive handbag and chatting on the iPhone - those I have problems with their lack of humanity to want to do without some of that to help their little dog. But they sure do get online and start looking for help sometimes! Those people just don't want the full responsibility of caring for a dog to my way of thinking, not if it will cost them the extras they seem to need. And what is sickening is thinking if they do sign that poor dog over to a rescue for treatment, they are probably out getting another healthy dog in no time. But some old man who lives in a ramshackle house and only has his dog to love and care for, in the main, I wish those type folks could get some help and keep their dogs without having to give them up.
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10-14-2012, 08:29 AM | #35 |
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| Britster, I couldn't agree more...I too have seen this statement thrown out more times than I can count. Sometimes it was warranted and sometimes not. I do agree that everyone should have the means to provide the basic routine care. It would be ideal if everyone did have a special account for emergencies, but as sad as it is we don't live in an ideal world. I saw a survey done by the Associated Press that said 62% of the polled people would only spend $500 for a pets health emergency, I was shocked by that number. Fewer than half said they would spend $1000, and only 1/3 would spend $2000. I think a lot of people would spend the money to save their pet, I believe the problem is it's just not available to them. This is so sad for the pet.....
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10-14-2012, 08:37 AM | #36 | |
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10-14-2012, 08:46 AM | #37 | |
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When my Jack came down with kidney disease I never discussed it with anyone I know. Most of them would have never understood or even considered spending what I did to give him an extra 19 months of life. Most of them wouldn't have even done the daily sub-q fluids either. I just couldn't live with myself doing anything less. People like that should be banned from ever owning a pet.
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10-14-2012, 09:00 AM | #38 | |
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I think that's why good breeders want to know all about past pets you've had. Of course, with most breeders, if you have the money you get the dog.
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10-14-2012, 05:59 PM | #39 |
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| a lot of folk don't use their common sense when it comes to getting a dog, I agree with the heading, but folk don't look down the road ahead they see a puppy and must have it. I planned for years and put money aside for the dog, did years of research on the breed. When I decided to get a second dog I did a five year budget opened a bank account for the dogs and put money in it every month. And cut back on my personal luxuries in order to afford the best for my boys. But you never know when misfortune will strike like that family mentioned above. What I hate is seeing folk panhandling for food looking like they haven't washed in months and they have a dog |
10-14-2012, 06:28 PM | #40 |
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| hmmm. I guess I fall into the category you are describing. When I got Tucker, I was a stay at home mom. My husband of 10 years owned a very lucrative business. I waited until I was at that point to get a dog. Fast forward five years and I am a single mother in school scraping buy. I still have Tucker though. Luckily I had a room mate that worked for a vet and, for the past two years, Tucker was able to get all his shots AND his teeth cleaned for next to nothing. I'm very strict with my money and budget for everything ( including Tucker's upcoming vet visit in Feb, which I don't have at a discount anymore). I will graduate in 7 months and my financial situation will ease up. However, you'll not find me getting a pet anytime soon. So I suppose I agree with everything you said |
10-15-2012, 05:31 AM | #41 |
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| The blanket statement "If you can't afford the vet, you can't afford a pet" seems a little true to me, however this doesn't apply to every one. I think when you're going to add a pet to your household, you do need to evaluate your finances to ensure that you're able to at least manage the standard vaccines, spay/neuter, food, etc costs. Not everyone is able to save money but at least having the means (a job or a hustle) that would allow you to take care of the unexpected if it did come up. I think its also realistic for people to establish what type of financial boundry they will be able to set for their vet in the event of something tragic. I had two cocker spaniels that were hit by a car. One died instantly the other required a costly surgery. I opted to put her down because of the quality of life she would have later and the cost of more than 5 months rent. Just wasn't a smart decision to go forward with something like that. There are low costs clinics now, for people that love their pets and want to take care of them. So in my opinion the statement can't necessarily be applied to each indivualized situation.
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10-15-2012, 09:23 AM | #42 | |
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I was so shocked when I read the numbers. No wonder we have so many pets in shelters! Judging by the APsurvey, I can't believe everyone "can't afford" more than $500 or $1000, but there is probably a large majority that don't believe in spending more than "X" for their health care. I think I shall be changing my questionnaire! Maybe vets should promote more getting pet insurance to their clients!
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10-15-2012, 09:27 AM | #43 |
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| I agree if you can't afford veterinary care, don't get a pet. I obviously come down strong in favor of vet care, and I've made many sacrifices to do what I need to do for my dogs. I have a hard time understanding the other side of the argument. I honestly would put any one of my dogs into rescue if I thought the dog's best interest was served. I adopted a dog recently and after only a few weeks with us he was part of the family and fit right in. Dogs are adaptable. My dogs would adapt to a new home if they could not be with me. As much as I'd like to believe that they would miss me, I think they would be receptive to love and kindness from anyone.
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10-15-2012, 09:29 AM | #44 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | Some organizations thatdo provide aid In Memory of Magic (IMOM) is dedicated to insuring that no companion animal has to be euthanized simply because their caretaker is financially challenged. IMOM Home IMOM, Inc PO Box 282 Cheltenham, MD 20623 Phone (866)-230-2164 Fax (301)-599-1852 Help-A-Pet is a nonprofit organization, which provides financial assistance for the medical care of pets whose guardians are unable to afford the expense http://www.help-a-pet.org/home..html Help-A-Pet P. O. Box 244 Hinsdale, Illinois 60521 Telephone: (630) 986-9504 fax: (630) 986-9141 Angels 4 Animals Angels4Animals- Guardian Angels For Animals- Financial Assistance for Pet Care "Angels4Animals, a non-profit organization and a program of Inner Voice Community Services, has a mission to serve as the guardian angel of animals whose caretakers find themselves in difficult financial situations. At Angels4Animals we believe that animal owners should not have to say goodbye to the animals that they love. Our work is accomplished in conjunction with veterinary clinics across the country, eager to assist as many animals, and their owners, as possible. Our services range from financial aid to complete treatment to those pets and pet owners in need." I believe that most folks here believe that when health issues and financial issues strike the owner at the same time, it is heart wrenching for the owner to have to give up their dog. I am considering switching some of my donations to a charity that tries to serve those needs of the owner.
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10-15-2012, 11:00 AM | #45 |
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| I think it would be a little to harsh to state that if you can't afford a vet, you can't afford a pet. Sometimes life changes happen and you already have the pet. Suppose you lose your job or get ill? I am saying this because I was feeling fine but in July I went to the doctor hoping to get a new prescription and ended up having surgery. I can't just give her my pets because I am broke. I have children and I can't just get rid of them because we are financially strapped. You just have to make sacrifices and try to make it. I get so angry when I read about about a parent taking their life and the lives of their family because they lost their home or job. My outlook is I may be down today but we are going to make it until it gets better tomorrow. I love my pets and they are family. I will try my best to get them medical care even if I have to borrow or go to a cheaper doctor. |
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