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Old 10-10-2012, 08:33 AM   #61
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Thank you! I don't mind people pointing out the dogs birthdays an stuff like they but don't just go out and say its a PUPPY MILL when you've never visited the place, just bc it's not AKC registered. And you never know, she's an older lady that may be horrible at keeping her website updated. I may get there and she'll tell me there's morkies listed as yorkie on the site, and she may differentiate them...all I hear is mostly judgements, no wisdom
Please read and look at the links that member lynzy420 posted for you. They are a puppy mill. Being a person who has a dog that came from a puppy although I could not imagine my life with out her she has had many things that have cost lots of money and seeing her in pain is heart breaking. I am trying to help you so you don't have that pain in your heart or bank account.
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:57 AM   #62
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Unfortunately, some of the hardest, well taught lessons are the result of the cruelest, most heart breaking well learned mistakes. There used to be a country western song about, "If you're sitting on the train tracks, and you hear the horn and whistles and bells, and see the flashing red lights, and you dont move, whose fault is it when you get run over?"...or something like that! I used to love that song....reminded me of ME in my younger, stubborn, headstrong days.....I finally learned I could avoid all the heartache and misery if I let OTHER people go thru it and then tell me about it!!! I LEARNED TO STAND STILL AND LISTEN!!!

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Unfortunately, some of the hardest, well taught lessons are the result of the cruelest, most heart breaking well learned mistakes. There used to be a country western song about, "If you're sitting on the train tracks, and you hear the horn and whistles and bells, and see the flashing red lights, and you dont move, whose fault is it when you get run over?"...or something like that! I used to love that song....reminded me of ME in my younger, stubborn, headstrong days.....I finally learned I could avoid all the heartache and misery if I let OTHER people go thru it and then tell me about it!!! I LEARNED TO STAND STILL AND LISTEN!!!

Very well said.... I often find myself Standing Still AND Listening.

I just told a friend the other day sometimes you have to get out of your own way and stop hindering your growth and progress!
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OP, that "cheap" puppy just may end up costing you BIG TIME. Please reconsider. There are reputable breeders where you can get a nice healthy pup for not too much more cash. And please don't forget that the initial cost of the puppy is PEANUTS compared to the expenses of caring for a pup. Vet care, premium food, flea/tick preventative, grooming and grooming supplies, not to mention all the little extras that most of us like to have for our dogs such as clothing, strollers, pretty leashes, etc....

I hate to think of you getting this obviously poorly bred pup and being slammed with high vet bills. From the looks of that site, this is a broker. They will know nothing of the parents of these puppies, and probably don't even know who the sire is They just breed these poor dogs to death and they get no vet care, no love, live in filth, and have litter after litter, only to be disposed of when they can no longer produce pups. Please don't support this type of breeding. Keep saving your money and use that time to find a great breeder. Everyone here will help you find one in your area.

I hope that you'll stay and learn about the breed, and share stories and pictures of your new pup.
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We had a girl on here that went ahead and bought from a puppymill eventhough we pleaded with her not to and the dog ended up having serious behavior problems and also health problems and then she understood and became a big advocate against puppymils. Sometimes people have to learn from their own mistakes unfortunately.
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I try to encourage people that are looking for a puppy, to STOP looking at puppies....they are ALL adorable and you just fall in love with ANY AND ALL of them....dont look for a puppy, LOOK FOR A BREEDER...GET A TRUSTWORTHY, RESPECTABLE, ETHICAL BREEDER, AND THAT BREEDER WILL HAVE YOUR PERFECT PUPPY! All these babies look alike...it is what is going on inside where YOU cant see, that the breeder has done everything in her power to be sure it is all put together correctly and working in tip top shape, assured as much as possible thru her breeding program.....you DO NOT GET that concern and care and planning from a puppy mill! And it does not come for $250.00 either! And, God forbid, something DOES malfunction, an ethical breeder will stand with you and behind her baby...she loves that baby even MORE than you do, and it is never far from her thoughts and heart, even years down the road.

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put yer money back in yer pocket and wait and find yourself a breeder that is reputable.
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Unfortunately, some of the hardest, well taught lessons are the result of the cruelest, most heart breaking well learned mistakes. There used to be a country western song about, "If you're sitting on the train tracks, and you hear the horn and whistles and bells, and see the flashing red lights, and you dont move, whose fault is it when you get run over?"...or something like that! I used to love that song....reminded me of ME in my younger, stubborn, headstrong days.....I finally learned I could avoid all the heartache and misery if I let OTHER people go thru it and then tell me about it!!! I LEARNED TO STAND STILL AND LISTEN!!!

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This place IS A PUPPY MILL....Please reconsider purchasing from a known puppy mill...PLEASE

Here is some important information you should read regarding this piece of crap breeder...
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There are many reputable breeders here and elsewhere! Good Luck!

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Can someone add the breeder's full name Pat Koedam to the tags here and perhaps her husband Jerry Koedam as well for future searches so they come up under their full real names?

Please thank you...amazing how so often you can spot these types miles away when you know what you're looking for-with that comes a responsibility of warning others.
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Welcome to YT ! To be honest, I think it's not pure yorkie so I can't even begin to comment on the coat length. The color doesn't look rite to me BUT it could just be the pic, BUT the other 2 pics appear to have normal coloring so IDK. I would like to educate you further though, if you don't mind. If at all possible Please dig deep about a health contract & ask lots of questions as to past pup's health as there are some things yorkies are prone to these days, due to bad & mix breeding . Some of these things are AAI, Chiari, Liver shunt & LP. You may already know about these things but if not then Please do some research on them & educate yourself further as some are life threatening without prompt & proper treatment the pup will die. Also get familiar with the latest vaccine protocol as many vets & BYB's still over vaccinate pups & this can lead to GME & other autoimmune illnesses that are very expensive to treat & also life threatening. With that said, I wish you much luck in your search for your new little family member & look forward to seeing your new baby whatever it may be.

Listen to all the advice you are being given, no need to be condescending no one is calling you names they are experienced in the art of puppy mills and don't want you to end up heart broken IF there ends up being something wrong with the pup.
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I try to encourage people that are looking for a puppy, to STOP looking at puppies....they are ALL adorable and you just fall in love with ANY AND ALL of them....dont look for a puppy, LOOK FOR A BREEDER...GET A TRUSTWORTHY, RESPECTABLE, ETHICAL BREEDER, AND THAT BREEDER WILL HAVE YOUR PERFECT PUPPY! All these babies look alike...it is what is going on inside where YOU cant see, that the breeder has done everything in her power to be sure it is all put together correctly and working in tip top shape, assured as much as possible thru her breeding program.....you DO NOT GET that concern and care and planning from a puppy mill! And it does not come for $250.00 either! And, God forbid, something DOES malfunction, an ethical breeder will stand with you and behind her baby...she loves that baby even MORE than you do, and it is never far from her thoughts and heart, even years down the road.
Very well said! That puppy which is Perfect for you! I will say categorically that any purebred puppy which is bred from a long line of health tested and proven champions can not be had for $200 or $300 or $400 or $500 dollars. Of course very rarely there are catastrophic circumstances that can occur, and these puppies must be placed quickly. How-ever in my experience those happenings are usually handled expedituously by the breeder's support network.

And yet again, one doesn't go to a show breeder to buy a "pet" because they want a show dog. They come to us, for a number of important reasons. The care, attention, passion, and dedication of the breeder, and the all around quality of the dogs we produce. They place a premium on health, temperament and structure, and value the support they will be given over the lifetime of a pup we place with a vetted owner.
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No, I will not pm....I have nothing to hide from anyone here, and carry out my conversations in front of everyone...... I asked for YOUR definition of what is hateful and judgemental...didnt get that from you...just throwing more "great big words" around...."condescending, respectfulness, dignity, rudeness"....Did not ask you to educate me on definitions of those words.....clearly, you are blinded by your anger.......I asked you to educate me on what YOU found hateful and judgemental, as you were so quick to call some or all of the post that had been offered up to that point....Oh well, you were not able to do that....by the way, I did NOT deliver any message, kind or otherwise, TO THE POSTER!!! You blew out a fuse trying to insult me and fortunately, you missed your point. I SIMPLY asked for you to point out the threads YOU found hateful and judgemental...of course, you could not do that, because they do not exist on this thread, to this poster. ....you are accusing me of being all you accused others of being and you have absolutely NOTHING THAT I HAD WRITTEN, TO BASE YOUR UNFOUNDED "HATEFUL, RUDE, DISRESPECTFUL" remarks you threw at me, on! In conclusion, for my final circus act, I would add, puppy mills do NOT exist because knowledgable people "can not get their point across" to people that are not interested in listening. They exist because uninformed people continue to look for and purchase puppies from them. Educated, well meaning people can only share experiences and knowledge with people that are not aware of red flags and danger signs when they crawl over them to get to a cheap puppy. "You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink".
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Very well said! That puppy which is Perfect for you! I will say categorically that any purebred puppy which is bred from a long line of health tested and proven champions can not be had for $200 or $300 or $400 or $500 dollars. Of course very rarely there are catastrophic circumstances that can occur, and these puppies must be placed quickly. How-ever in my experience those happenings are usually handled expedituously by the breeder's support network.

And yet again, one doesn't go to a show breeder to buy a "pet" because they want a show dog. They come to us, for a number of important reasons. The care, attention, passion, and dedication of the breeder, and the all around quality of the dogs we produce. They place a premium on health, temperament and structure, and value the support they will be given over the lifetime of a pup we place with a vetted owner.

Stand still and listen....no truer words ever spoken.......take it or leave it, but at least HEAR it.............
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OP I would run and hide from that website/ puppy. Why would you want to buy a “reduced price yorkie”? Would you buy a reduced price car that you knew nothing about? If a Yorkie is something you want again, I would look long and hard to find the perfect one. Bargain shopping is not something you should be doing in looking for a puppy.

The puppy is very cute, however do you want the risk of dealing with a sick puppy? Yes he is $250, but those Vet bills add up pretty quick, plus there is no amount on heart ache. There is a chance you will buy him and he can have no sickness and he could be that perfect discounted puppy you are looking for- I personally would look elsewhere- I would not take that chance.

I wish you the best of luck in your search, hopefully you are able to find your perfect healthy puppy!
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