Why Did He Do This?

[JoeyP]

There's definitely signs of stress there for this little guy
You brought in a new dog .... which is replacing him in the family heirarchy that he has enjoyed with you for a long time
I have two Yorkies myself and there is a constant battling for attention between them
and I will have to watch that my "alpha" does not take too much control and abuse the beta dog
you're going to have to spend some time and special attention for this dog and reassure him that he will always have a place in your family

[SWHouston]

Originally Posted by JoeyP

There's definitely signs of stress there for this little guy
You brought in a new dog .... which is replacing him in the family heirarchy that he has enjoyed with you for a long time
I have two Yorkies myself and there is a constant battling for attention between them
and I will have to watch that my "alpha" does not take too much control and abuse the beta dog
you're going to have to spend some time and special attention for this dog and reassure him that he will always have a place in your family

I hear what you're saying, but...
I think this has gone too far for just condoling the resident.
AlwaysTexas needs to compleetly back out of this situation and "maybe" start over in about a year.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by AlwaysTexas

well, I'm pretty sure it's reversed sneezing - he seems to do it more when he's nervous or stressed than any other time and he doesn't do it that often. When he's making the sound, he's kind of posturing and stiff all over and doesn't move and he's standing and it sounds like the sound is coming from his nose, like a snorting thru his nose.

That's what my Yorkies do when reverse sneezing - the stiff posture, etc. But thankfully - even after numerous vet visits to 3 different vets with Jilly for it - it was eventually decided it was from her GI problems that kept her trachea tender from some reflux when her tummy was so irritated and not CT at all. Same with Tibbe - said to be tracheal tenderness by his 2 reg. vets & his ER vets. He was treated with Pepcid during a recent GI upset and when the GI troubles and being sick were over, so was the RS. But if he gets really scared or upset, he can RS even when his tummy is fine.

[AlwaysTexas]

Thanks to all for your wonderful help and suggestions! After researching panic attacks in dogs I truly believe that's what it was. What brought it on in the middle of the night..I do not know. My dogs are my family just as my children and grandchildren are. If my female was attacking biting snarling and hurting my male physically then most definitely I would consider rehoming her, but that's not the case. But knowing that she MAY be a trigger I will most definitely be more aware of his behavior and hers ensuring that he always knows he was mommys first love and always will be. Thanks again everyone!

[Teegy]

Brilliant stuff good luck and give him a cuddle for me

[AlwaysTexas]

Originally Posted by Teegy

Brilliant stuff good luck and give him a cuddle for me

Will do. Thanks Teegy!

[SWHouston]

Well....ok, but, since you've decided to keep the Biewer, recovering this situation is going to be more difficult. I accept that, so, let's move on from here.

AlwaysTexas, I've read your posts, the lines and in between them. I see you as a generous fair person, nice to all you meet, and anyone on this Forum should be honored to call, and have you as a Friend. I hope that my participation in this, has not tainted your opinion, of my intent for a equatable resolution. However, given your position of equality and fairness, I'm wondering if you can pull this off. You're going to have to drastically change your posture, within your "Pack".

The Yorkshire Pack mentality is much like a Pride of Lions. Yes, that's Matriarchal, but, there is always an Alpha Male. As in a Pride, the A-Males laze around, wait on the Females to catch Prey, come in an eat their fill, while the Females are taking care of the Cubs/Pups. And the only time the Males really are called/prompted into service, is for Breeding and Defense. But, the Males still maintain that Seniority and Dominance.
That may not seem fair to you, but, that IS the way it is.

To resolve this, you're going to have to be much more involved that just "being aware". You need to physically "show" him, that you are honoring his Alpha position. That's where I think you are going to have a problem. You will want to treat them "equally" as before, and as you know, that doesn't work, and has caused your Male a lot of stress, which is effecting his health. It's going to be more tough on you than them, but you must get this done, and focus the vast majority of your attention, on your Male.

Many think that petting, holding, hugging and sweet talking a Dog is required to get them to love and obey you. Weather you do those things or not, won't change their "attitude" toward you, but, it does reflect your preference, when dealing with an individual animal. That's special attention, and now, that's got to be for your Male ONLY. Remember, it's the Biewer that needs to fit in, your Male already fits !

I'm going to give you some tips, as how to proceed, and I'm reasonably sure you're not going to like them much...

You need to quit petting/showing attention to the Biewer.
Focus that kind of "handling" toward your Male. That doesn't mean that "some" of that can take place, but, it must not be witnessed by the Male, and should be greatly reduced even in private. You must change "both" of their attitudes, and she can and WILL accept a subordinate roll.

There must be a "Pecking Order" in a your Pack.
You are the Leader, your Male Yorkie should be the Alpha. That's because he's a Male, and has tenure in your Pack. This is a natural way for them to live, and has been bread into their mentality since year one. In supporting this pecking order, you'll only be supporting something that is the way they must live.

In short, here's some other things you should do...

1) When returning home, greet/pet the Male FIRST, and make that greeting a great deal more abundant than that you offer the Biewer.
2) When feeding or handing out treats, give them to the Male FIRST.
3) You should hand out a single "long term" treat like a Bone or Bully Stick occasionally. Give it to your Male, and let him release it to the Biewer, AFTER he's dine with it.
4) When lounging or retiring to bed, place the Male closer to you, or, only let him sleep on the Bed with you.
5) If the Biewer growls at the Male, scold her as you pet the Male.
6) Same if she Barks at him, shush her while you Pet the Male.
7) Make a special effort to stop and Pet the Male in the Biewer's presence, but, don't pet her. Do this several times a day.

SEE, I told you that you wouldn't like this.
But, IF you want to create an environment of recovery for your Male, you must drastically change your posture in this. And trust me, you will not cause any negative reaction from the Biewer, it will abide by your direction and wants. Then, after a period of time (don't rush this) you can start "including" the Biewer a little more...slowly. In another environment, this would be called "Tough Love".

Can you do this ?

[concretegurl]

Everything here is what I did automatically when adding a new edition from day one.

Originally Posted by SWHouston

Well....ok, but, since you've decided to keep the Biewer, recovering this situation is going to be more difficult. I accept that, so, let's move on from here.

AlwaysTexas, I've read your posts, the lines and in between them. I see you as a generous fair person, nice to all you meet, and anyone on this Forum should be honored to call, and have you as a Friend. I hope that my participation in this, has not tainted your opinion, of my intent for a equatable resolution. However, given your position of equality and fairness, I'm wondering if you can pull this off. You're going to have to drastically change your posture, within your "Pack".

The Yorkshire Pack mentality is much like a Pride of Lions. Yes, that's Matriarchal, but, there is always an Alpha Male. As in a Pride, the A-Males laze around, wait on the Females to catch Prey, come in an eat their fill, while the Females are taking care of the Cubs/Pups. And the only time the Males really are called/prompted into service, is for Breeding and Defense. But, the Males still maintain that Seniority and Dominance.
That may not seem fair to you, but, that IS the way it is.

To resolve this, you're going to have to be much more involved that just "being aware". You need to physically "show" him, that you are honoring his Alpha position. That's where I think you are going to have a problem. You will want to treat them "equally" as before, and as you know, that doesn't work, and has caused your Male a lot of stress, which is effecting his health. It's going to be more tough on you than them, but you must get this done, and focus the vast majority of your attention, on your Male.

Many think that petting, holding, hugging and sweet talking a Dog is required to get them to love and obey you. Weather you do those things or not, won't change their "attitude" toward you, but, it does reflect your preference, when dealing with an individual animal. That's special attention, and now, that's got to be for your Male ONLY. Remember, it's the Biewer that needs to fit in, your Male already fits !

I'm going to give you some tips, as how to proceed, and I'm reasonably sure you're not going to like them much...

You need to quit petting/showing attention to the Biewer.
Focus that kind of "handling" toward your Male. That doesn't mean that "some" of that can take place, but, it must not be witnessed by the Male, and should be greatly reduced even in private. You must change "both" of their attitudes, and she can and WILL accept a subordinate roll.

There must be a "Pecking Order" in a your Pack.
You are the Leader, your Male Yorkie should be the Alpha. That's because he's a Male, and has tenure in your Pack. This is a natural way for them to live, and has been bread into their mentality since year one. In supporting this pecking order, you'll only be supporting something that is the way they must live.

In short, here's some other things you should do...

1) When returning home, greet/pet the Male FIRST, and make that greeting a great deal more abundant than that you offer the Biewer.
2) When feeding or handing out treats, give them to the Male FIRST.
3) You should hand out a single "long term" treat like a Bone or Bully Stick occasionally. Give it to your Male, and let him release it to the Biewer, AFTER he's dine with it.
4) When lounging or retiring to bed, place the Male closer to you, or, only let him sleep on the Bed with you.
5) If the Biewer growls at the Male, scold her as you pet the Male.
6) Same if she Barks at him, shush her while you Pet the Male.
7) Make a special effort to stop and Pet the Male in the Biewer's presence, but, don't pet her. Do this several times a day.

SEE, I told you that you wouldn't like this.
But, IF you want to create an environment of recovery for your Male, you must drastically change your posture in this. And trust me, you will not cause any negative reaction from the Biewer, it will abide by your direction and wants. Then, after a period of time (don't rush this) you can start "including" the Biewer a little more...slowly. In another environment, this would be called "Tough Love".

Can you do this ?

[SWHouston]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Everything here is what I did automatically when adding a new edition from day one.

Good for you !

And I bet you had a much easier time acclimating your new one, than Always Texas is going to have. I really empathize with her, given the "hill" she's got to climb now.


PS:
Uoo, did I say empathize, that tell you anything !

[Teegy]

This is all lovely and informative but are you trying to scare the poop out if her and make it feel more like a job. I'm exhausted after reading this.
I believe a lot of this is just common sense the same as with a child.
We are always here for you with any questions or concerns.
One day at a time.
With Teegy I always acknowledge him first, put his leash on first, feed him first, give him whatever treat first.
But cuddles and kisses are all in one big fluffy ball hehehehehe

[SWHouston]

Originally Posted by Teegy

This is all lovely and informative but are you trying to scare the poop out if her and make it feel more like a job. I'm exhausted after reading this.
I believe a lot of this is just common sense the same as with a child.
We are always here for you with any questions or concerns.
One day at a time.
With Teegy I always acknowledge him first, put his leash on first, feed him first, give him whatever treat first.
But cuddles and kisses are all in one big fluffy ball hehehehehe

Umm, you could be right, but I'm not trying to scare anyone, just get the job done as expeditiously as possible. Remember, this Male Yorkie is experiencing medical issues from this (IMHO), and the quicker it's resolved the better. And yes, it's turned into a job now.

I'm sincerely sorry that you've become exasperated with this, but I know this process will work.

PS:
YES on the group "cuddles and kisses", but not now, that can come later. (much later)

[gracielove]

You do describe some panic when you mentioned how he was acting on the bed but his going in the bathroom and sitting is the really strange part. Most dogs that are upset will try to get closer to their person and not run away and sit in a cold room.

I would have him checked out by a vet first. Make sure he is not having some physical issues that you cannot detect. That is always the frustrating things with pets. They can't talk!

It sounds like your female is really giving him a hard time and that must be very hard for him to take. I used to have a male Shih Tzu and when he was 6 years old someone gave us a female Shih Tzu puppy. She was beautiful and very sweet but she was very aggressive with my male. She would not even let him eat until she was done and they had different dishes. I noticed after a while that he was not the fun loving guy he used to be. He always loved to greet me at the door when I came home from work. The female would not let him get near me when I came home. She always had to be first and would snarl at him if he got too close. Finally I gave her to my mother. I hated to do it but I couldn't let my little guy be so unhappy. I had thought it would be fun for him to have a friend but she was sure not a friend to him. She was not going to give up her dominance and I was not going to let my baby not be top dog. I had her for a full year before I gave her to my mom. She lived a very spoiled life as only dog over there so she was happy as could be and my little guy went back to normal.

I would work at trying to get your female to stop the attitude. My male was not a pushy type so my female really walked all over him. If you can get the dominance issue settled it may help your guy a lot. It would be very hard on him to have to put up with what my little guy had to deal with when supper girl puppy came to stay with us.

[SWHouston]

Originally Posted by gracielove

You do describe some panic when you mentioned how he was acting on the bed but his going in the bathroom and sitting is the really strange part. Most dogs that are upset will try to get closer to their person and not run away and sit in a cold room.

I would have him checked out by a vet first. Make sure he is not having some physical issues that you cannot detect. That is always the frustrating things with pets. They can't talk!

It sounds like your female is really giving him a hard time and that must be very hard for him to take. I used to have a male Shih Tzu and when he was 6 years old someone gave us a female Shih Tzu puppy. She was beautiful and very sweet but she was very aggressive with my male. She would not even let him eat until she was done and they had different dishes. I noticed after a while that he was not the fun loving guy he used to be. He always loved to greet me at the door when I came home from work. The female would not let him get near me when I came home. She always had to be first and would snarl at him if he got too close. Finally I gave her to my mother. I hated to do it but I couldn't let my little guy be so unhappy. I had thought it would be fun for him to have a friend but she was sure not a friend to him. She was not going to give up her dominance and I was not going to let my baby not be top dog. I had her for a full year before I gave her to my mom. She lived a very spoiled life as only dog over there so she was happy as could be and my little guy went back to normal.

I would work at trying to get your female to stop the attitude. My male was not a pushy type so my female really walked all over him. If you can get the dominance issue settled it may help your guy a lot. It would be very hard on him to have to put up with what my little guy had to deal with when supper girl puppy came to stay with us.

I think the "bathroom" issue, was his reaction to what he thought was total rejection. He just couldn't take it any more and isolated himself.