Why Did He Do This?

[hobbette]

Yumi gets kind of like that if we forget to turn the fan on over the stove and it gets a little bit smokey too, so it could also be something he smells that is freaking him out rather than a noise.

[concretegurl]

If your dog is sneezing reverse or otherwise are you sure allergies aren't an issue.

Honey is consentrated pollen and can sicken or even kill (sorry to soubd scary and dramatic) people or pets with allergies.

I used to take honey in my tea when I had seasonal allergies comming on...the idea was to shock and awh the body onto not reacting (yeah freaking right!) after a few noneventful times of doing so I ended up in the ER having a life threatening allergy attack only made so threatening by the use of honey.
Who knew your eyes could literally ooze green goo from an allergy reaction...and that was the least unattractive part of the ordeal.


Are you absolutely sure seizures are not at hand either?
Seizures, reverse sneezing episodes, panic & allergic attacks can all result in overheating and thus dehydration.

****A cool bathroom with water avalible might be the best place.****

[Verbena]

Wow interesting. . . . Please let us know what the vet says.

[SWHouston]

There's nothing medically wrong with that Yorkie.
I nearly cried reading of the desperate cries he's made for help.
I believe this Yorkie is one of the few who can't tolerate sharing.
He's going to continue a spiraling depressive state.
The only way you're gong to resolve this, is...
Re-home the Female Biewer.

[AlwaysTexas]

[QUOTE=concretegurl;4031405]If your dog is sneezing reverse or otherwise are you sure allergies aren't an issue.

Honey is consentrated pollen and can sicken or even kill (sorry to soubd scary and dramatic) people or pets with allergies.

I used to take honey in my tea when I had seasonal allergies comming on...the idea was to shock and awh the body onto not reacting (yeah freaking right!) after a few noneventful times of doing so I ended up in the ER having a life threatening allergy attack only made so threatening by the use of honey.
Who knew your eyes could literally ooze green goo from an allergy reaction...and that was the least unattractive part of the ordeal.


Are you absolutely sure seizures are not at hand either?
Seizures, reverse sneezing episodes, panic & allergic attacks can all result in overheating and thus dehydration.

****A cool bathroom with water avalible might be the best place.****[/QUOTE

He does have mild allergies. He's not having seizures. The episode the night before last was probably the worst I've seen - which made it concerning. I have seen him "isolate" before this time but it's rare and probably only 2 to 3 other times in his life. I do however think the new addition stresses him out. She's not as "laid back" as he is.

[courtney1121]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Is it possible it wasn't reversed sneezing but maybe collapsing trachea and that scared him? I thought Callie was having occasional reverse sneezing but turns out she has CT and that its not what she was doing. Another member thought the same thing too with her dog.

I clicked on this thread cause of the name and I'm thinking, "i ask myself that question every day with my dogs" lol

But yes, Callie and my Geno were doing the reverse sneezing and we both found out it was CT. A part of me is kind of hoping it might be kennel cough but for now, I'll keep the CT mindset on and do what I can for him.

Definitely mention all this to your vet and hopefully they'll be able to give you a good answer. I'm glad I clicked on your thread cause Geno was acting weird as well and being very withdrawn. We also added a new pup to our family about 2ish months ago as well.

[AlwaysTexas]

Originally Posted by SWHouston

There's nothing medically wrong with that Yorkie.
I nearly cried reading of the desperate cries he's made for help.
I believe this Yorkie is one of the few who can't tolerate sharing.
He's going to continue a spiraling depressive state.
The only way you're gong to resolve this, is...
Re-home the Female Biewer.

You really think rehoming my Biewer is the answer? I would really hate to do that. I will talk this over with my vet as it is still concerning days later. Last evening, he acted perfectly normal. It could be true he can't tolerate sharing - he's been the number 1 for 4 1/2 years and he is used to getting a lot of our attention.

[courtney1121]

Oh also, something I learned as well, is make sure you are giving your yorkie a bunch of attention. The new addition is probably hard on him and he's used to being your one and only. I had started doing this with mine as well. He always comes first even though we have a girl pup. She's a tough cookie though so I don't baby her too much, but Geno is my little baby boy and I'm always cooing and fussing with him now. Letting him know that he's still your little boy regardless of the new addition could help too with him feeling down or anxious.

[SWHouston]

AlwaysTexas,

I'm SO sorry to have to recommend the Re-Home, but, I sincerely think this is the only thing which will resolve this.
Just like humans, there are a few which are just psychologically unable of sharing the attention/place they once knew.

I'm thinking if you don't...
You're going to see a continuing separation between you/the family where he increasingly seeks out areas of solitude (like the bathroom) where he can morn his loss alone.
His appetite will start decreasing, and his health will suffer.
He may start angrily fighting back by attacking the Female and at last measures, passably you.

I know you think this is a medical issue, and yes, go ahead and get him checked out by your Vet, though I think that will be a waste of money.

PLEASE consider my resolution to this.

How proud you must be, to have him love you that much.

[Teegy]

Maybe a little bach flower remedy on the tongue before bed until maybe he gets used to the new dog as she could be a trigger

[Teegy]

My breeder told me the same thing about honey, she said use corn syrup instead

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by AlwaysTexas

You really think rehoming my Biewer is the answer? I would really hate to do that. I will talk this over with my vet as it is still concerning days later. Last evening, he acted perfectly normal. It could be true he can't tolerate sharing - he's been the number 1 for 4 1/2 years and he is used to getting a lot of our attention.

A behaviorists would be a better consult and evaluator. Most pounds rescues have one if you have trouble locating one in your area. Having the Biewer stay a night away could be telling.

Originally Posted by Teegy

My breeder told me the same thing about honey, she said use corn syrup instead

Is that Karo?
I've used coconut oil, agave syrup and nutrical in replacement of karo which was always given to Elvis after a seizure to get his blood sugar back up quickly (seizures just drain them).

[maggiefromnj]

I think it may have to do with the new dog and you should work with him more to give extra attention. My friend had a baby (human) and the dog (shihtzu) seemed fine with her. As time went by he started peeing (more--he always did a little) in the house and nipped at the baby. When the nips became more aggressive they got rid of the dog. Just saying it takes time for the first dog to realize the new one is staying.

Is your bathroom small? Maybe it's just a smaller area so he felt safe there. Can he leave your room to go to a "safe" place. My girl sleeps in her cage and otherwise only goes there if she is nervous or scared. That's why I'm thinking yours went by the toilet. It may have felt safe.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Usually one dog doesn't cause another to panic unless he's attacked him and aggresses often. A new dog can make the current dog uneasy, allowing his natural fears of things such as thunderstorms or shiny floors, loud noises, etc. to set him off, kind of like when you have a new boss at work you are trying to figure out, your mood at home can be a little edgy. He probably heard something outside and the reverse sneezing was done from nerves. Some dogs reverse sneeze when there is a thunderstorm outside, for instance. Some RS for get attention.

I'd just distract him with the honey, chicken, whatever you want, to get him really distracted and work on his accepting the other dog. (I've personally used honey with dogs for 30 years & never had any issues with my rescues or my own pets but some dogs may be sensitive to it, as some are to karo or Nutrical [It gave my Jilly & a rescue pup diarrhea].) Honey is in some dog treats and dog food.

Once he's accepted his new "sibling", he'll probably be a little less unsettled but probably will still have his old fears. If he is afraid of strange or loud, sudden sounds, then you can start to desensitize him to odd sounds by forming a pleasant association in your dog whenever he hears odd sounds. Have a helper bang on the wall with a spoon and treat the dog with a nice turkey hot dog bit at the same moment. Do that for no longer than a few seconds and then stop, give another treat. You want to gently expose him to the sounds but not trigger a panic attack or make him think he's trapped with people who are going to keep making scary sounds so just a few sessions of the noise/concurrent treating with special treats of high value and then stop after about 3 or 4 episodes. Later in the day, you can drop a plastic lid and instantly give him a high value treat. Repeat 3 or 4 times, treating with the chicken/hot dog instantly. Stop and let him outside to work off any anxiety he's built up. That night, might bang on the wall a time or two with treats each time, then let him outside. That's it - just a few episodes like that for a couple of weeks to slowly get him used to the face that yes, odd noises might happen but gee, he gets the nice food when they do and they barely last long enough to do much and then stop & he gets to go out and pee, run around after!

If he's doing well, after a couple of weeks, increase the training episodes and keep treating, letting him outside after the session is over. Another thing to do with a sound-sensitive dog, when an odd noise does occur, such as a neighbor turns on a buzz saw or a truck emits a loud exhaust bang, get him a nice treat. He'll think that even odd noises not associated with mommy or daddy causing them get him a fabulous treat so really maybe loud or odd noises aren't so bad.

This type desensitization works really well on some dog and other, more stubborn cases take some professional help or another desensitization, training method helps more. Just keep learning and searching for ways to deal with panic and fear through books, articles and use what works best for you and your little dog.

My Jilly reverse sneezed a good deal of her life at times but CT exams by vets were always negative & she never progressed - just reverse sneezed at times when she was ill or nervous. Scotty did it, too, under the same circumstances, as does Tibbe. But when a dog starts to behave oddly or have a symptom of any kind, always have a vet exam first to be sure the dog is not injured or ill. I always suggest vetting first. If the dog is not hurt or sick, he's having his problems for other reasons.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by hobbette

Yumi gets kind of like that if we forget to turn the fan on over the stove and it gets a little bit smokey too, so it could also be something he smells that is freaking him out rather than a noise.

That's so true. Some dogs can form a fear associated with anything, particularly if they are a little on the nervous or easily-scared side. Sometimes a good companion who is well-socialized and more stable can help them through fears when they see the other dog dealing with the same stimulus matter-of-factual. I hope & pray it is just a behavioral issue causing his RS, shaking, panting & he's not sick.