Purebred or mixed??

[GeorgiesMomma]

Originally Posted by RileyDC

Hi Kayla,

Not sure whether Tucker is purebred or not, but he sure is a Cutie! I just wanted to say Congrats on your new pup and Welcome to YT!!

I brought my previous pup home at 8-weeks old and he lived to a very Healthy 13-years old. I brought my current pup home at about 10 1/2 weeks. Lastly, $400 is an awesome price and I know you are already in Love with him whether he is pure, or not.....

[Yorkiesatwork]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

Ok after repeated attempts to bold what I wanted to respond to, and my dumb mouse being dumb...

What do you mean human turned admin? I'm no admin at all! I'm all human! We all know admins are all robots sitting somewhere in Silicon Valley! That's not me!

Anyway, as much as I don't like the sound of me being around the block, I guess I have as far as yorkies are to be concerned. I really don't want to jump on noobs, but it's noobs that say they did their research and they know what to look out for, but then didn't do what they were warned against that gets me. Like the OP.

We are just looking out for the breed we love.

I'm really tired, and I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I work everyday and apparently it's Thurs and I thought it was Tues. OMG
Dang mouse, I pushed the eek button once and it went three times.

Well said... but "I'm just sayin'" -- many a well informed, on guard, armed-to-the-teeth with printouts, car buyer has walked out of a dealership with a car they knew they shouldn't bu, and paid for their mistake for the next five years. And cars don't even have pleading eyes and fat bellies.

I practically chanted for 500 miles, "I will not take this puppy unless I see his home and at least one parent". And then folded like a piece of wet newspaper when they said they had just bought a new car and wanted to meet me part way instead of sitting home waiting. Once they popped out of their car with that little boy wrapped in a baby blanket with only his pig tail showing, I'd have taken him if he only had three legs and one eye... I'm just sayin'...
He's adorable... he's healthy... I have no reason to believe he is other than presented... but in retrospect, I am amazed how willing I was to break my own resolve, and can identify with those who have similar experiences, and have empathy for those that are scammed by slick volume breeders with glossy websites.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by carmen in nj

Well I am going to get the hot water shower in this one but here it goes... I only register my dogs AKC if I am planing on keeping a show one or two. the ooops litter was registered with a lesser registry to save money, all of you seen the conditions that my puppies are welcome in this world and how they live , I can't afford to pay AKC registration specially with a back to back litter that the two i just have, GOOD BREEDERS do not make any money..besides I am very upset with AKC for allowing a showing of a dog that was BRED thru two MERLE parents.
I know I might be the exeception to the rule, but the AKC is becoming a MONEY talk registry in my humble opinion..
to the OP, if you send me a full body shot of your baby and tell me, does he look more longer than tall? does his coat is more sparse than the full fluffy full coat yorkies puppies show?
maybe he is a silky and they are as good as yorkies..
hugs,

The problem with you writing this is you give "bad breeders" excuses for not registering their dogs. It's up to all of us to help inform people of the differences between good and bad breeders. I've read many times that it only cost $25 .00 to register a whole litter. How much are you saying it costs to register a litter? If you aren’t showing or registering litters, I do think the average breeder is making a bundle of money. It’s the breeders who show that have a hard time breaking even. The AKC is just a registry, it's not a breed club, they enforce rules on bookkeeping and ensuring breeders records are correct. Many breeders aren't registering them because they know that if they are have over a certain number of litters a year, the AKC will do more frequent inspections. It's difficult for people to find good breeders and not registering the dog is a major red flag.


Also, when I suggested it might be part Silky, I wasn't implying the Silky breed weren't as good, but I believe a person should support really good purebred breeders not mixed breed breeders.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Yorkiesatwork

Well said... but "I'm just sayin'" -- many a well informed, on guard, armed-to-the-teeth with printouts, car buyer has walked out of a dealership with a car they knew they shouldn't bu, and paid for their mistake for the next five years. And cars don't even have pleading eyes and fat bellies.

I practically chanted for 500 miles, "I will not take this puppy unless I see his home and at least one parent". And then folded like a piece of wet newspaper when they said they had just bought a new car and wanted to meet me part way instead of sitting home waiting. Once they popped out of their car with that little boy wrapped in a baby blanket with only his pig tail showing, I'd have taken him if he only had three legs and one eye... I'm just sayin'...
He's adorable... he's healthy... I have no reason to believe he is other than presented... but in retrospect, I am amazed how willing I was to break my own resolve, and can identify with those who have similar experiences, and have empathy for those that are scammed by slick volume breeders with glossy websites.

Yes, you have given a great example why it good to know the breeder and understand her breeding program way before you ever look at the puppies.

[nanahas3]

Ok here comes a probably dumb ? but what is a Merle?? I don't know anything about breeding and was just curious lol.

[Teresa Ford]

Another um.. is this a Yorkie ? We really can't tell by the pictures. DNA is the only real way, I know to be sure. Yorkies come in many different colors, ear type and snout lenght, coat type and size. Most Yorkies are pretty far from perfect examples of the AKC standard. We old timers always preach: do research on the breeder. Because we are truly concerned about possible health problems. Good breeders test their dogs and fully research pedigrees.
I think you were trying to say you read up on the Yorkie breed. I learn new things almost every day. You already have your baby and I think he is adorable. I hope we can help you with your questions. We are a very supportive site. Welcome to YT. Please check out our wonderful selection of subjects.
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Warning: like a first kiss, a first Yorkie can make you want more. I have four.

[carmen in nj]

After learning some of the behind the scenes of AKC breeding, I rather not use them, when you sacrifice morals for money is looked down on breeding, well how come is GOOD for AKC to reward a dog that was bred from two dogs that are handicaped and with bad genetics just to obtain a color? sorry but BAD breeding is BAD breeding and AKC is allowing this in their ranks, to me they are as BAD as a BAD Breeder..
the Merle gene is a mutation gene and is a genetic defect..

When you breed merle to merle you get 50 % merle & 25 % solid % 25 % double merle ( these are usually deaf/blind or both or have other medical issues)
two of this dogs were used to breed the dog that was shown at the Wesmister dog show. SO SAD...

I see no reason for a responsible breeder to ever breed merle to merle. It does not increase the percentage of merle puppies (50 % ) But it does guarantee that 25 % will have serious medical problems. Blind, deaf ect. I find it unconscionable to purposely produce puppies that will have these defects. One out of 4 will be.

so let me get this straight, you rather have an AKC registered puppy that will come from a breeder that is well allowed to practice this , instead of a breeder that you can visit and trust, just because of the AKC ranking?

[carmen in nj]

oh and one more item, is MANY bad breeders that belong to AKC , also some of the BEST breeders, a bad breeder is a bad breeder and worse if AKC bless them, I have seen my share of BAD breeders for EVERY breed shown, and the sadest part is that in forums like these they are HIGHLY recomended, yes I am also an AKC breeder sadly, but I am happy to be known for the Quality of my puppies than for AKC ranking..
and I am considering NOT breeding anymore, because of situations like the one with the AKC and the merle situation.
hugs,

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by carmen in nj

After learning some of the behind the scenes of AKC breeding, I rather not use them, when you sacrifice morals for money is looked down on breeding, well how come is GOOD for AKC to reward a dog that was bred from two dogs that are handicaped and with bad genetics just to obtain a color? sorry but BAD breeding is BAD breeding and AKC is allowing this in their ranks, to me they are as BAD as a BAD Breeder..
the Merle gene is a mutation gene and is a genetic defect..

When you breed merle to merle you get 50 % merle & 25 % solid % 25 % double merle ( these are usually deaf/blind or both or have other medical issues)
two of this dogs were used to breed the dog that was shown at the Wesmister dog show. SO SAD...

I see no reason for a responsible breeder to ever breed merle to merle. It does not increase the percentage of merle puppies (50 % ) But it does guarantee that 25 % will have serious medical problems. Blind, deaf ect. I find it unconscionable to purposely produce puppies that will have these defects. One out of 4 will be.

so let me get this straight, you rather have an AKC registered puppy that will come from a breeder that is well allowed to practice this , instead of a breeder that you can visit and trust, just because of the AKC ranking?

I think you are comparing apples and oranges, I would never buy a breeder who was breeding merle, lol, I'm the one that pushes only buying from breeders who breed to standard! The AKC does a lot of things I don't agree with, however, they are the only reputable registry in the U.S. I try to help buyers weed out the good breeders from the bad. Too many bad breeders are really likeable people and good salesman, you can't go on how nice the breeder is. What you do is your business, and I'm just saying that by you posting this, you have giving bad breeders a good excuse to use so that they can mislead buyers. The very first step, but not the only step, is to find a breeder who registers with the AKC.

By the way, you didn't answer how much registering a litter was, you said, "I can't afford to pay AKC registration specially with a back to back litter that the two i just have". I'm certainly not understanding the logic on this.

[carmen in nj]

it cost me, $75.00 to register a litter of 6 silky terriers. that is why you see people here asking for the coupons. and is not apples and oranges, is HONEST BREEDING, no matter the breed, is a WRONG thing to do.. like a puppy mill is a puppy mill does not matter the breeds they breed, well Same thing with the AKC, inline breeding is being done by some of the AKC breeders in ALL Breeds, just an inconvinience truth when it comes to AKC and breeding.. the mud is always cleaner inside.. until a couple of insiders get out.. not a nice thing to say but they are not what they started to be..
the lesson here is
"People do your homework, visit and re visit your breeder, ask LOTS of questions, and ask to see the puppy interact with other dogs before you take one home, and specially if you are planing on showing, MAKE sure you see health testing papers for at least 5 generations. For Pet quality, ask as many questions as you can, health papers are always good to see. DO NOT base your puppy purchase on AKC, or any other registry alone".

[nanahas3]

When we were searching for another puppy we went to a few breeders here in our state who are akc breeders and in my opinion they were puppy mills. Tons of breeders living outside in wire cages etc. So I am not sure the papers really do make a difference. I agree visiting where they come from and seeing their living conditions is the most important thing. That and seeing the lines they come from I think helps also. Personally the only reason I send for my babies papers is to see their lines are what they should be. I wish there was a magic formula for us to know that a certain registry would always mean they are good breeders . I am searching for a puppy for my sis-in-law right now and in our state it is a nightmare.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by carmen in nj

it cost me, $75.00 to register a litter of 6 silky terriers. that is why you see people here asking for the coupons. and is not apples and oranges, is HONEST BREEDING, no matter the breed, is a WRONG thing to do.. like a puppy mill is a puppy mill does not matter the breeds they breed, well Same thing with the AKC, inline breeding is being done by some of the AKC breeders in ALL Breeds, just an inconvinience truth when it comes to AKC and breeding.. the mud is always cleaner inside.. until a couple of insiders get out.. not a nice thing to say but they are not what they started to be..
the lesson here is
"People do your homework, visit and re visit your breeder, ask LOTS of questions, and ask to see the puppy interact with other dogs before you take one home, and specially if you are planing on showing, MAKE sure you see health testing papers for at least 5 generations. For Pet quality, ask as many questions as you can, health papers are always good to see. DO NOT base your puppy purchase on AKC, or any other registry alone".

According to the AKC Fee Schedule https://www.akc.org/reg/fee_schedule.cfm a litter is $25.00 plus $2.00 a pup or $35.00 dollars for a litter with 5 pups. Not sure why you are paying more, but even at $75.00 for 5 pups, you are making the money back when you sell the pup, and I have seen many people sharing coupons,so it's even less, if you have a coupon. Most people here sell a dog for $1,000 or more and that's a lot of money. I feel like you are just changing the topic to discuss the merle trait. Every large organization has some things that are wrong, but you don't throw the baby out with the bath water. You say you show, are you not showing any more because the AKC registers Merle's?

People say do your homework, ask lots of questions, but people don't know what questions to ask, and part of the homework is knowing what registries are legitimate and which aren't and also knowing what excuses breeders will give. Lots of breeders/kennels aren’t eligible to list with the AKC because of past inspections and abusive conditions, so lots of them have started registering with alternative paper registries that are basically useless and in place to mislead the public. I think I made it very clear that registering with the AKC is not the only thing a buyer should look for when searching for a good breeder, it’s just the first thing.

[carmen in nj]

that is with the certificates they do send you one certificate a year, after that is more money, and yes, I do, I can't support an organization that is allowing something that was frown upon just like a puppy mill, just because a BIG name kennel decided to do it, now is an accepted practice, inline breeding, has always been done, behind the scenes now is ok, if you know how to do it.. what is wrong is wrong and that is why all the pure breeds are suffering. I am done with them. I will not support them anymore.
is just like I said an inconvinience truth..

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by carmen in nj

that is with the certificates they do send you one certificate a year, after that is more money, and yes, I do, I can't support an organization that is allowing something that was frown upon just like a puppy mill, just because a BIG name kennel decided to do it, now is an accepted practice, inline breeding, has always been done, behind the scenes now is ok, if you know how to do it.. what is wrong is wrong and that is why all the pure breeds are suffering. I am done with them. I will not support them anymore.
is just like I said an inconvinience truth..

Hold it, line breeding is not frowned upon, you do have to know what you are doing though. Line breeding is not the same as inbreeding. Frankly, I'm really surprised to hear you say this.

Line breeding is one of the best tools to use in breeding when trying to produce your own lines. Examples of line breeding are: Grandfather to Granddaughter, Grandmother to Grandson (these breedings are usually considered the best in line breeding), Aunt to Nephew, Uncle to Niece, Cousin to Cousin, and so on. Once again these types of breedings are NOT inbreeding. So just because you have the same dog more than once in your pedigree does NOT necessarily mean that your dog is inbred.

Line breeding is a way to double up on a line of dogs thus increasing your ability to become consistent in producing a certain type. Many breeders use this method for producing their own lines. You can often hear people say, “That looks like a dog from so and so’s lines”. Its because that person has produced as specific “type” of dog that is easily recognized from generation to generation just by looking at the offspring. It is these “types” that judges come to know and like so well and become top producers of Champions over and over again. But as with inbreeding you will be doubling up on certain genes and traits, although not nearly as closely as with inbreeding. Therefore, it needs to be said, that this is a tool to use carefully and in professional hands. It shouldn’t be done haphazardly by someone that isn’t willing to take the time to evaluate what they are breeding or to what they are producing. A breeder using line breeding should have intimate knowledge of their lines and what hidden traits may be awaiting them. I also believe it is very important to do as much genetic testing as possible when using this method of breeding.

INBREEDING

Inbreeding is the breeding of two closely related dogs. Father to Daughter, Mother to Son, Half Brother to Half Sister, and Full Brother to Full Sister are all inbred breedings. And they are the only inbred breedings. Anything further away than what I have stated above , is NOT inbreeding.First and foremost I feel I must state that because a dog is inbred, do NOT automatically make that dog a bad dog or of bad breeding practices or quality. Without careful inbreeding, by the founders of each breed, we would not have the breeds we have today. Inbreeding can be a valuable tool when used properlyOn the other hand when used carelessly by backyard breeders or puppy mills and people just in it for the money, things can go terribly wrong. .

Something that one must remember when doing a breeding of this type, is that you are doubling up on the bad as well as the good. And something that may not be seen in one dog (usually referred to as a recessive gene or trait) may very well become the dominate gene or trait in the resulting offspring of such a breeding. That is not to say however that inbreeding is at the root of all the genetic problems and behavioral issues that we are seeing today. You can have those same issues arise from careless people breeding dogs together willy nilly.

A true breeder that is really striving to produce the best quality puppies they can, in not only health but type and conformation, and are doing all the genetic testing that is available for that breed, could produce some amazing quality puppies by using inbreeding as a tool. The problem lies in the fact that we unfortunately have genetic issues in dogs that we have no testing for. So yes, when doing ANY kind of breeding, you are taking your chances. Being a true breeder to me means striving for certain goals in your breeding and being willing to take the bad with the good.INBREEDING VS LINEBREEDING

[carmen in nj]

I said linebreeding, AKC allows inlinebreeding if you know how to do it, do you really think that bad breeders are going to accept that they don't know.. I doubt it, and they know the difference betweeninbreeding and linebreeding? and yes I am super upset with the AKC and their NEW practices,maybe IF the president and board sees the light, maybe the dogs will benefit once more, did you know that Malachie the little pekingnese that won can barely breathe and he cant control his body temperature? and the list goes on and on.. to make my point, i just want people to do their homework and DO NOT buy a dog based on a registry alone.
i hope you mention that when recomending AKC so highly. I am very upset with the new that they are allowing in their ranks now.
I know they were accepting some new practices but gezzz. it hurts me to say that some people that are Not breeders in this board know MORE than some AKC so call yorkie and silky breeders..
and I am done, here..
I am sad enogh for one day..
hugs and have a nice weekend.