SET Yorkies

[NicoleNYC]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

RE: contracts, I know they are important, I had a great one with the STORE that brokered my puppy from HUNTE CORP (STEVE'S WONDERFUL WORLD OF PETS), when it all came down to it, I had a profoundly sick pup that I had bonded with that they wanted me to hand over to them for a "new and better pup", that was not going to happen, while I did get the cost (AFTER I STOOD IN THE STORE AND CAUSED A SCENE) up to what I paid for the pup, it was a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of the surgery she needed on her eyes. I had to pay first then submit receipts and I honestly felt "dirty" after I received the check.

In the end, the contract was useless for me because my only concern was for My Miss Mini and I no longer wanted contact with them because once I realized the "whole picture" of what they stood for, I just couldn't....

My second pup has heart issues (that we are hoping she outgrows) the owner couldn't be more helpful and/saddened. I do not fault the owner, his breeding pair were checked out, well taken care of and had 1 litter with no defects...this litter had 3 with 2 defective pups. The owner has had both of his pups "fixed". He did try to reimburse me but my husband and I said no, we are grateful for the pup and will take care of her. The owner sent me a check anyway. Soooo...

Like people, there are no guarantees that any pup will be 100% healthy, but if you do the process of elimination and choose a breeder who is responsible and ethical, your chances of getting a healthy pup are much better, and a good experience with the owners is priceless!

All I know is I could never give my pups back, and their love and loyalty to me is reward enough, that there is nothing I wouldn't do for them.

I am not sure anymore haha. I thought Deb Siller's has a wonderful contract. Most breeders guarantee what she guarantees but only for a year (she has it for 5 years) so I really have no idea now. I jumped at the opportunity to have one of her pups but not I am hearing that her contract is ok so I don't know

[kjc]

Originally Posted by NicoleNYC

I am not sure anymore haha. I thought Deb Siller's has a wonderful contract. Most breeders guarantee what she guarantees but only for a year (she has it for 5 years) so I really have no idea now. I jumped at the opportunity to have one of her pups but not I am hearing that her contract is ok so I don't know

I don't know if you'll ever find the 'Perfect' contract.... you can purchase pet insurance to cover what the contract is lacking...maybe... may help IDK. If you are comfortable with it then I don't see what the problem is...

[NicoleNYC]

Originally Posted by kjc

I don't know if you'll ever find the 'Perfect' contract.... you can purchase pet insurance to cover what the contract is lacking...maybe... may help IDK. If you are comfortable with it then I don't see what the problem is...

Just trying to be sure I am making the right choice for my new pup I suppose

[kjc]

Originally Posted by NicoleNYC

Just trying to be sure I am making the right choice for my new pup I suppose

Oh I know... hopefully you will not need to fall back on a contract anyway...

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by 107barney

I did not suggest that an air tight contract will give you a 100% healthy puppy. But it does help the buyer when they are standing there broken hearted with a sick dog to get the breeder to stand behind the dog. No breeder should take $2,000 or more for a dog who needs 5 times that in care. A good breeder will turn it back into the dog. A contract helps you achieve that. That's really all.

I totally agree with you! My point got lost in my "emotions", trying to stress the importance of good communication/relationship with the breeder. I think the contract shes looking at is a very good one.

[carmen in nj]

As a breeder, a contract is as good as the breeder who signs it, NO bredder can guarantee the health of her puppies 100% I do stress the importance of knowing where your breeding pair comes from, and have them test for EVERY illness known to affect the specific breed. also if the breeder there to support you thru out the life of the pup? can you call for advise if need be? in an emergency will breeder take the dog back? can you ask for references of other puppy owners from this particular breeder?
can you visit with mom and dad and see whow they live? To me as a breeder, Reputable is NOT what I sell my puppies for, but that the people who buy a puppy from me are Happy and the pup is in a happy enviroment, I know my dogs are Healthy but if any sickness due to genetics arrive i am right there to find out why, when, and how this happend and help the family in everything I can. Even if that means take my dog back make him better and then return him to his family.. that to me is a REPUTABLE Responsible breeder..
hugs,

[NicoleNYC]

Originally Posted by carmen in nj

As a breeder, a contract is as good as the breeder who signs it, NO bredder can guarantee the health of her puppies 100% I do stress the importance of knowing where your breeding pair comes from, and have them test for EVERY illness known to affect the specific breed. also if the breeder there to support you thru out the life of the pup? can you call for advise if need be? in an emergency will breeder take the dog back? can you ask for references of other puppy owners from this particular breeder?
can you visit with mom and dad and see whow they live? To me as a breeder, Reputable is NOT what I sell my puppies for, but that the people who buy a puppy from me are Happy and the pup is in a happy enviroment, I know my dogs are Healthy but if any sickness due to genetics arrive i am right there to find out why, when, and how this happend and help the family in everything I can. Even if that means take my dog back make him better and then return him to his family.. that to me is a REPUTABLE Responsible breeder..
hugs,

I will have to ask her specific questions to figure out what exactly is included in her contract.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by NicoleNYC

I will have to ask her specific questions to figure out what exactly is included in her contract.

The contract as it is written is what is included. When a buyer and a seller sign a contract, they are held to the terms of the contract as written in most cases. Therefore, it's important that you negotiate for the terms you want, so that there is a true meeting of the minds. Only then will you both be truly satisfied should something go wrong, and there won't be a need for battling it out later costing everyone time and money.

Genetic defects like Leggs Perthes, Hip Dysplasia and Patellar Luxations that are high grades IMO should be covered for longer than a year because these conditions might not manifest themselves until a little later as with my dog. If you want, give me your email and I'll show you Teddy's xray of his necrotic hip. My surgeon said that 95% of vets looking at his xray would expect a dog that is limping and lame, yet my Teddy runs around like an agility dog, taking leaps and bounds that would astound! Fact is, that seemingly normal running and playing is temporary, and the day will come, as sure as the sun will rise, when he needs to have surgery to cut off his femoral head.

She's covering other stuff up to 5 years, so why exclude these things since they are so painful, expensive to treat, and known to be genetic or congenital.

[NicoleNYC]

Originally Posted by 107barney

The contract as it is written is what is included. When a buyer and a seller sign a contract, they are held to the terms of the contract as written in most cases. Therefore, it's important that you negotiate for the terms you want, so that there is a true meeting of the minds. Only then will you both be truly satisfied should something go wrong, and there won't be a need for battling it out later costing everyone time and money.

Genetic defects like Leggs Perthes, Hip Dysplasia and Patellar Luxations that are high grades IMO should be covered for longer than a year because these conditions might not manifest themselves until a little later as with my dog. If you want, give me your email and I'll show you Teddy's xray of his necrotic hip. My surgeon said that 95% of vets looking at his xray would expect a dog that is limping and lame, yet my Teddy runs around like an agility dog, taking leaps and bounds that would astound! Fact is, that seemingly normal running and playing is temporary, and the day will come, as sure as the sun will rise, when he needs to have surgery to cut off his femoral head.

She's covering other stuff up to 5 years, so why exclude these things since they are so painful, expensive to treat, and known to be genetic or congenital.

How long do most reputable breeders guarantee against these diseases? (Leggs Perthes, Patellar luxation, etc)

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by carmen in nj

As a breeder, a contract is as good as the breeder who signs it, NO bredder can guarantee the health of her puppies 100% I do stress the importance of knowing where your breeding pair comes from, and have them test for EVERY illness known to affect the specific breed. also if the breeder there to support you thru out the life of the pup? can you call for advise if need be? in an emergency will breeder take the dog back? can you ask for references of other puppy owners from this particular breeder?
can you visit with mom and dad and see whow they live? To me as a breeder, Reputable is NOT what I sell my puppies for, but that the people who buy a puppy from me are Happy and the pup is in a happy enviroment, I know my dogs are Healthy but if any sickness due to genetics arrive i am right there to find out why, when, and how this happend and help the family in everything I can. Even if that means take my dog back make him better and then return him to his family.. that to me is a REPUTABLE Responsible breeder..
hugs,

THIS THIS THIS!!!!

[R_Z]

At the end of the day, you will be doing the research, the personal chat with the breeder, paying the price and raising the dog. It's always wise to do your homework by looking up all the info you can get. When you ask for feedback anywhere, you're going to get all kinds. Some positive and some . . . well not so much. You have to make your own choice regardless of what others say.

I'm sure you will do great and I wish you loads of luck. Enjoy!

[Ringo1]

Originally Posted by R_Z

At the end of the day, you will be doing the research, the personal chat with the breeder, paying the price and raising the dog. It's always wise to do your homework by looking up all the info you can get. When you ask for feedback anywhere, you're going to get all kinds. Some positive and some . . . well not so much. You have to make your own choice regardless of what others say.

I'm sure you will do great and I wish you loads of luck. Enjoy!

Yes, I agree. You have gotten many opinions, some of them conflicting, and ultimately ~ it will be your choice to make. I think you have been armed with some very good information about what to look for and what to avoid.

I also agree with the poster who said - it might be difficult to find that 'perfect' contract.

Armed with the knowledge that you have acquired - make the choice that is best for YOU.

BTW, I got my Casper (maltese) when he was 6 months old. Within 24 hours - he cried if I left his sight.

Good Luck and enjoy your new Pup!

[Baby Teddy]

Good luck with your puppy search!! How exciting!!

I live in NYC too and I have two little yorkie butts!! Teddy is a year old and Piper is 6 months. In my opinion they are the perfect dogs for the city! Do you have pictures of the little girl you are considering?

[gemy]

Originally Posted by NicoleNYC

I am not sure anymore haha. I thought Deb Siller's has a wonderful contract. Most breeders guarantee what she guarantees but only for a year (she has it for 5 years) so I really have no idea now. I jumped at the opportunity to have one of her pups but not I am hearing that her contract is ok so I don't know

As I said before, a contract of any nature, but particularly for a pup you are going to spend a lifetime with, should be reviewed by your lawyer. Let your lawyer advise you on the particulars.

Having said that the longest guarantee I've seen is 10 yrs from genetic issues. That did include PRA, LP, LS, and CT for example. There are also varying kidney and liver diseases that are thought to be genetic. Now if in legal terms you actually get a five year guarantee across the board; that would be unusual for this breed, and something the lawyer would need to know. Then the lawyer can tell you if that guarantee is worth the paper it is written on.

We are not lawyers here, take that contract to your lawyer for review.

[kjc]

Originally Posted by gemy

As I said before, a contract of any nature, but particularly for a pup you are going to spend a lifetime with, should be reviewed by your lawyer. Let your lawyer advise you on the particulars.

Having said that the longest guarantee I've seen is 10 yrs from genetic issues. That did include PRA, LP, LS, and CT for example. There are also varying kidney and liver diseases that are thought to be genetic. Now if in legal terms you actually get a five year guarantee across the board; that would be unusual for this breed, and something the lawyer would need to know. Then the lawyer can tell you if that guarantee is worth the paper it is written on.

We are not lawyers here, take that contract to your lawyer for review.