SET Yorkies

[ladyjane]

Actually that is not true. Someone here IS an attorney. Not that the person is posting to give legal advice...but....just saying.........

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Actually that is not true. Someone here IS an attorney. Not that the person is posting to give legal advice...but....just saying.........

[ladyjane]

Actually we have quite a few professionals on YT...and more than many of us probably know. I am not referring to the imagined ones that post on every online forum. We all have seen them......they can be anything when sitting in front of a computer screen. Look at me, I am a "blah blah blah" ... and never did the work except in their dreams. I guess the lesson to be learned is to always do your own homework.

[kjc]

Best way is to have your lawyer review the contract before you sign it or even send in a deposit, as some are non refundable... another thing to check up on...

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Actually we have quite a few professionals on YT...and more than many of us probably know. I am not referring to the imagined ones that post on every online forum. We all have seen them......they can be anything when sitting in front of a computer screen. Look at me, I am a "blah blah blah" ... and never did the work except in their dreams. I guess the lesson to be learned is to always do your own homework.

When you are a professional you do not need to boast of the knowledge that you hold. It will be seen clearly from the articulate and well thought out posts that are shared with other members. I hate when I try to read "information" that is filled with jumbled inaccuracies.

[NicoleNYC]

Originally Posted by Baby Teddy

Good luck with your puppy search!! How exciting!!

I live in NYC too and I have two little yorkie butts!! Teddy is a year old and Piper is 6 months. In my opinion they are the perfect dogs for the city! Do you have pictures of the little girl you are considering?

I haven't gotten any pictures yet, but when I do I will totally post them!!

[NicoleNYC]

Originally Posted by gemy

As I said before, a contract of any nature, but particularly for a pup you are going to spend a lifetime with, should be reviewed by your lawyer. Let your lawyer advise you on the particulars.

Having said that the longest guarantee I've seen is 10 yrs from genetic issues. That did include PRA, LP, LS, and CT for example. There are also varying kidney and liver diseases that are thought to be genetic. Now if in legal terms you actually get a five year guarantee across the board; that would be unusual for this breed, and something the lawyer would need to know. Then the lawyer can tell you if that guarantee is worth the paper it is written on.

We are not lawyers here, take that contract to your lawyer for review.

Thank you!

[KazzyK810]

While a well written contract that protects both parties interest is a substantial part of the process of obtaining a puppy, the reality is the cost of representation to enforce that contract can cost you as much as if not more that you would ever recoup under the contract. That's why seeing the pups and actually meeting and conversing with the breeder in person, and getting owner & vet references, is so important.

But this does make me wonder...
Can you imagine a couple adopting a child and then years later when the child develops medical problems, trying to sue the biological parents for possibly inherited defects? Everyone (I'm assuming...) hopes to adopt a healthy baby (fur or skin), but the reality is, you never know what diseases/afflictions may arise in the future in any offspring, whether yours or adopted. We have such incredibly high expectations of breeders to consistently produce only healthy babies...sometimes I wonder if it is reasonable.

[NicoleNYC]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

When you are a professional you do not need to boast of the knowledge that you hold. It will be seen clearly from the articulate and well thought out posts that are shared with other members. I hate when I try to read "information" that is filled with jumbled inaccuracies.

I actually take some advice less seriously when it is grammatically incorrect and not well-thought out Probably not the best thing to do haha.

[111lily222]

Originally Posted by carmen in nj

As a breeder, a contract is as good as the breeder who signs it, NO bredder can guarantee the health of her puppies 100% I do stress the importance of knowing where your breeding pair comes from, and have them test for EVERY illness known to affect the specific breed. also if the breeder there to support you thru out the life of the pup? can you call for advise if need be? in an emergency will breeder take the dog back? can you ask for references of other puppy owners from this particular breeder?
can you visit with mom and dad and see whow they live? To me as a breeder, Reputable is NOT what I sell my puppies for, but that the people who buy a puppy from me are Happy and the pup is in a happy enviroment, I know my dogs are Healthy but if any sickness due to genetics arrive i am right there to find out why, when, and how this happend and help the family in everything I can. Even if that means take my dog back make him better and then return him to his family.. that to me is a REPUTABLE Responsible breeder..
hugs,

[kjc]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

While a well written contract that protects both parties interest is a substantial part of the process of obtaining a puppy, the reality is the cost of representation to enforce that contract can cost you as much as if not more that you would ever recoup under the contract. That's why seeing the pups and actually meeting and conversing with the breeder in person, and getting owner & vet references, is so important.

But this does make me wonder...
Can you imagine a couple adopting a child and then years later when the child develops medical problems, trying to sue the biological parents for possibly inherited defects? Everyone (I'm assuming...) hopes to adopt a healthy baby (fur or skin), but the reality is, you never know what diseases/afflictions may arise in the future in any offspring, whether yours or adopted. We have such incredibly high expectations of breeders to consistently produce only healthy babies...sometimes I wonder if it is reasonable.

That's the whole point of being a good breeder.... developing lines that do not carry genetic conditions, knowing how to select potential breeders that will not produce genetic nightmares when bred to each other... so some of the responsibility needs to be on the person doing the breeding. A breeder needs to know what they're doing to produce consistently healthy litters of puppies.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by NicoleNYC

I actually take some advice less seriously when it is grammatically incorrect and not well-thought out Probably not the best thing to do haha.

[NicoleNYC]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

While a well written contract that protects both parties interest is a substantial part of the process of obtaining a puppy, the reality is the cost of representation to enforce that contract can cost you as much as if not more that you would ever recoup under the contract. That's why seeing the pups and actually meeting and conversing with the breeder in person, and getting owner & vet references, is so important.

But this does make me wonder...
Can you imagine a couple adopting a child and then years later when the child develops medical problems, trying to sue the biological parents for possibly inherited defects? Everyone (I'm assuming...) hopes to adopt a healthy baby (fur or skin), but the reality is, you never know what diseases/afflictions may arise in the future in any offspring, whether yours or adopted. We have such incredibly high expectations of breeders to consistently produce only healthy babies...sometimes I wonder if it is reasonable.

You know, that is a perfect metaphor if you ask me. I think it is a little ridiculous that everyone wants a perfect contract or a perfect Yorkie, but it's just like human genetics. I have studied genetics for a very long time and if there's on thing they tell you, recessive genes can pop up at any time in the pedigree and unless you do an extensive background check, there is no way to prevent these diseases. And even if you found out that your child had the disease, would you decide not to keep it? It's still your child. I don't want to get into a completely different conversation, haha, but a lot of people on this forum treat their Yorkie's as if they were their children, trying to give them the best care they can provide etc. So I am simply trying to get the best for my puppy from the beginning. It's not that I am looking for her to definitely be healthy, but just for her to have a good background as in a good set of parents/grandparent without any genetic defects. I want the puppy to be well brought up just like if someone adopted a child they would hope the same, but at the same time, if something went wrong, I don't think it would be as easy as the contract makes it seem to simply return the baby back to the breeder.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by NicoleNYC

You know, that is a perfect metaphor if you ask me. I think it is a little ridiculous that everyone wants a perfect contract or a perfect Yorkie, but it's just like human genetics. I have studied genetics for a very long time and if there's on thing they tell you, recessive genes can pop up at any time in the pedigree and unless you do an extensive background check, there is no way to prevent these diseases. And even if you found out that your child had the disease, would you decide not to keep it? It's still your child. I don't want to get into a completely different conversation, haha, but a lot of people on this forum treat their Yorkie's as if they were their children, trying to give them the best care they can provide etc. So I am simply trying to get the best for my puppy from the beginning. It's not that I am looking for her to definitely be healthy, but just for her to have a good background as in a good set of parents/grandparent without any genetic defects. I want the puppy to be well brought up just like if someone adopted a child they would hope the same, but at the same time, if something went wrong, I don't think it would be as easy as the contract makes it seem to simply return the baby back to the breeder.

I'd never give my dog back to a breeder. But some people would, and that is why breeders include that offer. There are many people who simply can't or won't invest tens of thousands of dollars into their sick dog. Take a look at sick and injured forum where at least every day or so we have someone complaining that they can't afford a basic vet visit so you just know they can't take care of a dog with multiple genetic issues requiring long term treatment and management. Some people DO NOT think of the dog's best interest, and edit the facts to suit their reality meanwhile the dog sits by and suffers. Some even have the audacity to sit and pontificate to others about what should be done for their dogs, but yet don't live by their own rules! They really just talk in platitudes (:::YAWN::. With a sick dog, there are also the long term emotional issues - ask any of us with older dogs that have been sick their whole lives and we can tell you that you DO and WILL suffer some level of burn out with a sick dog. I'd do almost anything for my dogs, but I'd be an out and out liar if I said it was easy or pleasant at times. It is very stressful and very expensive and very hard. That's why good breeders are so selective, and don't ship their dogs off to any old person who wants one, because they too want to know that their buyers are committed to the dog for the long term. I even had one breeder who asked me if I owned my home before she'd tell me about her dogs.

[NicoleNYC]

Originally Posted by 107barney

I'd never give my dog back to a breeder. But some people would, and that is why breeders include that offer. There are many people who simply can't or won't invest tens of thousands of dollars into their sick dog. Take a look at sick and injured forum where at least every day or so we have someone complaining that they can't afford a basic vet visit so you just know they can't take care of a dog with multiple genetic issues requiring long term treatment and management. Some people DO NOT think of the dog's best interest, and edit the facts to suit their reality meanwhile the dog sits by and suffers. Some even have the audacity to sit and pontificate to others about what should be done for their dogs, but yet don't live by their own rules! They really just talk in platitudes (:::YAWN::. With a sick dog, there are also the long term emotional issues - ask any of us with older dogs that have been sick their whole lives and we can tell you that you DO and WILL suffer some level of burn out with a sick dog. I'd do almost anything for my dogs, but I'd be an out and out liar if I said it was easy or pleasant at times. It is very stressful and very expensive and very hard. That's why good breeders are so selective, and don't ship their dogs off to any old person who wants one, because they too want to know that their buyers are committed to the dog for the long term. I even had one breeder who asked me if I owned my home before she'd tell me about her dogs.

I completely understand, and I am very glad they do that. I think if you purchase a dog, you should have a good idea of what you're getting yourself into before you even begin looking at breeders. I would be heart broken if I ever had to give my puppy back to the breeder. With that being said, if someone cannot afford the care necessary for the well-being of the dog, then yes the responsible thing to do is return the dog to the breeder (though at the same time, I feel like when the dog is purchase, he/she should be expected to be an investment)