Tiny Yorkies - Breeding & Discipline

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by red98vett

hehe... I knew you meant that and just wanted to second your feelings ! I was playing backup quaterback

This is a great thread and I'm so glad you started it....

Thanks V. I always know I can count on you! What would we do here at YT if you ever left us? We'd be in a lot of trouble for sure!

I was really COMPELLED to start this thread because of spending last night with my Tia. She's just soooo helpless and fragile and I can't stand the thought of someone else hitting their tiny 3 month old puppy. It just hurts my heart to even think of it. And breeding these little ones? Oh god, I feel sick to my stomach at the very thought of it!

[wnalegria]

Originally Posted by red98vett

I'm not a breeder

But.... I AM a big pain in the butt about NOT breeding tinies.... and will always hope information read here will sink in to someone who is thinking about breeding their small female.

I realize that sometimes I get overzealous... but I strongly believe it's cruel and not as nature intended to breed for smaller and smaller. Putting the mommies thru all the pain they go thru is just plain selfish. I also blame people who WANT the tinies which is causing too many 'breeders' to do this.

No offense to anyone wanting a tiny or who has one.... but I just feel this way. I do love all our yorkies but WE ARE NOT THE NORM...

there are far too many people out there who are clueless wanting small puppies and getting them .....only to find they don't know anything about the care involved. They just see CUTE.

I KNOW I am not an expert but I don't like it when someone comes and posts that it's ok to breed for tiny....but as long as we continue to talk about it we DO stand a chance of reaching those out there who are thinking about it -

and I realize this thread is about Tinies - but NO DOG should ever be hit when diciplining - tiny or big -

it just makes me sick when people take out their own frustrations on something that can't defend itself - Our dogs are our friends and the most innocent of souls....animal abuse is so widespread that I really wish the laws were stricter.

and yes - I think I've been a little heated in the past over a few issues - and DO apologize to anyone if I offend anyone.... but I will always feel yorkies are a precious breed that too many greedy people are taking advantage of. To breed for tiny is trying to profit off the size and beauty of something that is already perfect.

You said a mouthful- but the uniformed- who have never raised a tiny one who naturally appear in a normal breeding programr will raise their head once again.

It is interesting to see those who have never whelped, hand fed and stayed up endlees hours working to get a little one to live- say- there is nothing wrong with breeding the little ones. Just makes me want to scream. They seem to know it all- act like they know what they are saying- but the truth is they know nothing about this subject. They casue a lot of harm.

[Yorkieluv]

I agree, breeding a tiny female to get more tinies is wrong...In alot of cases tinies come out of standard size females. If I wanted a smaller yorkie, I would definitely just look for the little guy of the litter from a standard female, I wouldn't subject a little female to labor or more than likely a c-section...And I also agree that there is no reason to hit a doggie! Miko was completely trained with positive reinforcement and he responds to that well. I can't imagine a dog responding positively to an owner that hits...

[shelbysmom]

Originally Posted by red98vett

I'm not a breeder

But.... I AM a big pain in the butt about NOT breeding tinies.... and will always hope information read here will sink in to someone who is thinking about breeding their small female.

I realize that sometimes I get overzealous... but I strongly believe it's cruel and not as nature intended to breed for smaller and smaller. Putting the mommies thru all the pain they go thru is just plain selfish. I also blame people who WANT the tinies which is causing too many 'breeders' to do this.

No offense to anyone wanting a tiny or who has one.... but I just feel this way. I do love all our yorkies but WE ARE NOT THE NORM...

there are far too many people out there who are clueless wanting small puppies and getting them .....only to find they don't know anything about the care involved. They just see CUTE.

I KNOW I am not an expert but I don't like it when someone comes and posts that it's ok to breed for tiny....but as long as we continue to talk about it we DO stand a chance of reaching those out there who are thinking about it -

and I realize this thread is about Tinies - but NO DOG should ever be hit when diciplining - tiny or big -

it just makes me sick when people take out their own frustrations on something that can't defend itself - Our dogs are our friends and the most innocent of souls....animal abuse is so widespread that I really wish the laws were stricter.

and yes - I think I've been a little heated in the past over a few issues - and DO apologize to anyone if I offend anyone.... but I will always feel yorkies are a precious breed that too many greedy people are taking advantage of. To breed for tiny is trying to profit off the size and beauty of something that is already perfect.

I am guilty of wanting a Tiny, but not apologizing for it I knew, at my stage of life I would be the perfect Mom and a tiny would help me with "stuff". That being said, I think people intentionally breeding tinies are not thinking of the well being of the pups, the quality of Yorkies OR the Tiny females they are breeding. I believe there are enough tiny Yorkies born from Standard Yorkies to cover the number of people who should have these dogs.


Shelby is over 3lbs. I sort of wonder what people with smaller dogs "do" with them. Carry them? Big difference in that 2-3 lbs.

[StewiesMom]

Originally Posted by JCarlson2004

I'm sorry I forgot to say that NOT hitting dogs applies to a dog of ANY size but please let me clarify now -- I think it is wrong to hit or scream at a dog or cat or fish or guinea pig or hamster etc. of ANY size, shape, breed, smell, color, etc. It's just plain wrong and unacceptable to hit, period.

Thanks for saying that, Jenn. I try not to distinguish between reprimanding dogs based on size either. Abuse is abuse is abuse.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by wnalegria

You said a mouthful- but the uniformed- who have never raised a tiny one who naturally appear in a normal breeding programr will raise their head once again.

It is interesting to see those who have never whelped, hand fed and stayed up endlees hours working to get a little one to live- say- there is nothing wrong with breeding the little ones. Just makes me want to scream. They seem to know it all- act like they know what they are saying- but the truth is they know nothing about this subject. They casue a lot of harm.

I agree and that's why we need the Breeders like YOU to help us educate & inform people out there - You are doing a huge part already by just by being a member here and sharing your experience and knowledge.

[FirstYorkie]

I agree wholeheartedly with what you've said. Breeding tiny pups is wrong. Hitting animals is wrong. Period. (Or as they say here in England: "full stop").

There are a couple of points that I feel the need to make, however.

Alot of you aren't going to want to hear what my first point, but I feel the need to say it anyway. As long as people keep buying teacups, people are going to continue breeding them. I know that many of your teacups came from "standards". However, if there is more demand for tinies than can be bred this way, unscrupulous breeders are going to breed tinies to get tinies. It's a matter of supply and demand. There's good money in it and we live in a society where "money talks". If we want the practise to stop, we have to stop contributing to it. That's the only way to stop it.

Second, the woman who admitted to hitting her Yorkie was distraught that she had done so. She came to this board, not to say that what she had done was okay, but asking for advice on how to mend the relationship with her dog and how to better train her pup. She listened to our advice (despite the fact that much of it was extremely harsh) and, in my opinion, is going to implement it. She seemed heartily sorry for what happened and she seemed willing to change. I see no reason to "beat" this subject to death.

There. Now you can attack ME.

[rrosenberry]

There is a guy I work with who is USELESS as far as Im concerned, anyhow, he treated his dogs like crap.. and we would get into it all the time, Then I realized I was wasting my time and energy on him.. anyhow~ Since Bailey comes to work with me, he makes comments on his clothes, and how hes treated, and if he has an accident " he needs beat, etc" I really think he thinks hes being cool in front of all the other guys anyhow, he raised his hand to him once ( kiddingly) and I said " that would be the LAST thing you ever did" and he was laughing and said " he's not smart enough to duck from my hand" I said " its because HE"S NEVER BEEN HIT, he doesn't know what a raised hand means!,, YOU NIT WIT!"
anyhow I guess you know my view on abusing animals....

FYI~ I reported him years ago to our dog warden and the pound,, and advised them that HE should NEVER own an animal again. I told him this too, he laughed and thought I was kidding,,, go ahead,,laugh I said... go try to adopt a dog,, you're on their list.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

I am guilty of wanting a Tiny, but not apologizing for it I knew, at my stage of life I would be the perfect Mom and a tiny would help me with "stuff". That being said, I think people intentionally breeding tinies are not thinking of the well being of the pups, the quality of Yorkies OR the Tiny females they are breeding. I believe there are enough tiny Yorkies born from Standard Yorkies to cover the number of people who should have these dogs.


Shelby is over 3lbs. I sort of wonder what people with smaller dogs "do" with them. Carry them? Big difference in that 2-3 lbs.

You said it better than I did - that's really what I meant...there ARE enough very small yorkies born from standard yorkies and I meant no offense to those wanting one - I personally think they're adorable also -

I just disagree with those intentionally breeding for extra tiny.

[Dartprincess]

I was ask by someone that had a tiny if I was going to breed Minnie I told NO!!!! she was to small she told me if I had a smaller male it would be ok lol I told her it is not safe and never ok to breed a female that small. AS for hitting NO!!!!!! NO!!!!! NO!!!!!!! I don't spank my 6 yr granddaughter why would I do that with Minnie. My carpet can be replaced she can't.

Carol and Minnie

[Zulu*Dawn]

My Yorkie gal weighs 1 lb 7 ozs.....she's 18 months old. She is very healthy never has had any helath problems.

But I don't understand why this conversation has started again. The other day breeding tinies was beat to death....the thread was closed?? I am so glad the lady said she would tell her story and she DID.....she came back here amid all the negative views and told her story. that lady has courage! based on some of your views I don't think I woudl have come back and posted about a tiny being bred.

Then another thread about someone who hit their yorkie.......you all beat some poor lady to death.....saying she was harsh harsh over and over......yorkiekids ?? I think? then the thread was closed.
So why is it A-Okay to have this conversation today.....can any of you expain why. you totally chased away a lady who had a lot of GOOD things to say. I loved hereing from her. She was wise when it came to our YOrkies. so now here you are beating your chest about how bad it is to hit a dog. why is that. why is it okay for some and totally wrong for others to post here. I know I do not post much. I'm not comfortable posting because some of you are really judgemental. maybe i will develop a tough skin I shall work on that. <g>
zulu

[Yorkieluv]

Shelby is over 3lbs. I sort of wonder what people with smaller dogs "do" with them. Carry them? Big difference in that 2-3 lbs.[/QUOTE]

Perfectly said...

[red98vett]

Zulu*Dawn I respectfullly disagree - I read the thread about the woman asking for help after hitting her dog hard enough to make him scream and while I totally thought it was wrong - was one of the people who thought she was very brave to admit it and look for help...I didn't feel the comments were harsh at all - Actually - I thought most of the responses were VERY helpful - When someone comes here and asks for help or posts freely about a subject that is controversial - they should be able to read the opinions given freely.

Everyone here loves yorkies and are always looking out their best interests......we all have different ways of expressing ourselves.

I think if you read more threads here...you'll see far more help offered than critisism...but, when someone posts about certain things that many of us would never dream of doing - then they are subject to some negative feelings.

You have to realize in the end - it's all about helping the Dogs - and sometimes things may get said ....we all care so much but it all can't be sweet and wonderful all the time - sometimes things NEED to be said.

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by red98vett

Zulu*Dawn I respectfullly disagree - I read the thread about the woman asking for help after hitting her dog hard enough to make him scream and while I totally thought it was wrong - was one of the people who thought she was very brave to admit it and look for help...I didn't feel the comments were harsh at all - Actually - I thought most of the responses were VERY helpful - When someone comes here and asks for help or posts freely about a subject that is controversial - they should be able to read the opinions given freely.

Everyone here loves yorkies and are always looking out their best interests......we all have different ways of expressing ourselves.

I think if you read more threads here...you'll see far more help offered than critisism...but, when someone posts about certain things that many of us would never dream of doing - then they are subject to some negative feelings.

You have to realize in the end - it's all about helping the Dogs - and sometimes things may get said ....we all care so much but it all can't be sweet and wonderful all the time - sometimes things NEED to be said.

Villette, you are way too nice of a person!

I'll leave it at that!

[waistfull]

If one of my pups has an accident I say loudly AWWWWW!! and they know right away. They hunch down acting really guilty. That's all that's required. Mine never pee inside only poo. What's up with that???? I pick it up out back all the time because I know they are picky. It's usually that Bubba. He eats to much and poo's too much. Any advice??
Thanks.
As for breeding tinies, ask any reputable vet and they will say NO!! I have two vets and my Cricket just made it at 5lbs. I still don't know if I will ever breed her, but I wanted to know if she would make a good candidate size-wise. I don't know if I would take the chance.