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Old 01-24-2012, 08:25 PM   #1
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Hello, as the title states I'm new to the site and new to the breed so bear with me if I seem uneducated (because I am, somewhat). After much breed research I think I am leaning towards purchasing a yorkie in a year or two. I know that's a long ways out but I tend to research everything to death before making a decision. I have been looking at the Biewers and the Gold Dust yorkies. I know from past experiences that dogs with recessive genes to make them these unique colors also carry with them a higher chance for health issues. I was wondering what these issues would be with these kinds of dogs and how often they occur. I am also looking for a reputable breeder in Michigan or northern Ohio. I have looked at every breeder that pops up in google, but I realize that there are many good breeders out there who probably don't have a web page and work only by dog shows or word of mouth. So, my main reason for signing up to this forum is to gather as much knowledge about the breed as possible and to make a few friendly connections in hopes of finding a reputable breeder who does not ask an arm and a leg for a dog. I understand the price goes up when a show quality dog is being looked at but for right now I am looking at a pet quality dog to as close to standards as I can get. While I am not ruling out puppies, I would like to adopt a dog who is at least a year old. I feel that I can get a better idea of what the dog will be like both physically and personality wise. My only concern with this is, while on my travels through the world wide web in search of the perfect breeder, I have noticed just about every breeder dresses their dogs up like dolls. I am afraid that this kind of "diva" treatment may cross over into training, or lack of, and I will end up with a yappy dog. I apologize for the ramblings now but this is hours upon hours of research and thinking coming out for the first time Any kind of information, clarification or two cents is much appreciated.
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It's great that your doing research before buying a yorkie. Not all yorkies are are dressed up divas. Mine wears clothes everyday except outside in summer and all though she does a few things that are not ideal she is not a poorly trained yappy dog but is still spoiled. What do you consider an arm and a leg?
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Hi love to dream88, I have been seeing them from anywhere from $1,500 to $5,000. One site was $10,000 to $15,000. Now I know Biewers can be a little more due to the different color but still.... I know I am probably aiming low on this but I was thinking around the $500 mark. And I am willing to take a dog that's a few years old. I'm hoping someone will eventually want to rehome a show dog or breeder dog that's past their prime for that line of work.
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There are several breeder members here for Biewers. It is wise that you are considering a retired show dog, but how about a rescue? www.petfinder.com is one site where rescues list their dogs.

It is my understanding that Biewers are susceptible to all of the same health problems that Yorkies are. So having emergency funds to cover unanticipated health care costs is highly advisable. Also pet insurance.

Good luck with your search. also Welcome to YT. There is a search function here, if you type in Biewers you will find some threads here.
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Good Morning and Welcome to YT!!

good to hear you are doing your research!! We do have a few members here that breed biewers. they are GORGEOUS!!!
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Old 01-25-2012, 05:41 AM   #6
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I did consider adopting and I have been keeping an eye on petfider. My mom rescued a yorkie and because it came from a questionable background it was extremely aggressive and protective. If my mom was in her room the dog would attack us if we tried to go in. That's one of my concerns about adopting a dog with a questionable background. And I have been doing some research while on here. I have been looking at the dogs people have and seeing who's dogs have the kind of temperament and physical qualities I'm looking for. Then I will see what breeder they used.
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I did consider adopting and I have been keeping an eye on petfider. My mom rescued a yorkie and because it came from a questionable background it was extremely aggressive and protective. If my mom was in her room the dog would attack us if we tried to go in. That's one of my concerns about adopting a dog with a questionable background. And I have been doing some research while on here. I have been looking at the dogs people have and seeing who's dogs have the kind of temperament and physical qualities I'm looking for. Then I will see what breeder they used.
What that sounds like was a behavior problem and with a trainer that could have been over come in my opinion. Some rescues can have behavior problems and might require a bit more work but they can turn out to be some of the best dogs. We had a lab mix rescue when I was 8 until about 13 and she was like my best friend she followed me every where and watched after me and comforted me at a hard time, she was perfect dog really. Then about two years ago my mom rescued a yorkie he seems to be ok with my parents dogs and my dog but not all other dogs and will snap at them (previously was with a dog who would not let him eat and beat up on him) but we are working on this issue and if we cant work with him and fix it on our own we plan on getting a trainer but he really is a great dog too. He used to not like being cuddled and loved on but slowly he is loving it and will sit on my moms lap for a long time now and let her love on him. Most rescue dogs that have issues is because they were treated poorly or were just not treated at all and a lot of times all it takes is a bit of training and love to fix the problems then you have a great dog that will forever love you and be loyal to you. If I decided to get another dog I will more then likely adopt from a shelter but all I can afford right now is my Callie Mae.
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Hello fellow Michigander

Welcome to Yorkie Talk. I agree with the other posters, Petfinder may be a good option for you. And that good thing about Petfinder is you can interact with the dog before you descide to send in an application. I know when I was in my 2nd dog phase, I contacted a few people to ask if I would be allowed to interact with the dog to see if he or she liked me was well as let my husband and Gizmo (my fur butt) my introduced as well. That way the dog was already exposed to the people he or she will be living with.

Alot of times it's seeing if the dog picks you, and alot of the rescues on petfinder know that as well. Some rescue dogs can be territorial (which is understanding with their background) but some of the sweetest little fur babies around!

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I would suggest you read the "sticky" sections on this forum. The library is a very good way to learn more about Yorkies. They are terriers and tend to be stubborn at times. They can be difficult to train because they are high energy and strong willed. Personally, I have found it to be a good challenge for me but others have found it to be too challenging. I have trained dogs all my life and yet had to change my methods to train Graice. The personality is something you need to consider if you are worried about "diva" syndrome.

I never thought about dressing my dog but found that Yorkies have no undercoat and tend to get cold very easily so they do need help staying warm and well one thing leads to another. My home is warm but in the winter floors can be cold for a dog so close to them.

There is a Yorkshire Terrier specialty club in your state. Specialty clubs are great places to find people who know breeders. Some of these people travel all over the country to show their dogs and they know a lot of people. You still need to check out the breeder but at least you have a better chance of finding a good breeder.
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It is unlikely you will find a good breeder doing google searches as they usually only bring up puppy mills. These puppy mills disguise themselves as lovely places that spoil their dogs but they are puppy mills. Since you are willing to take your time with this purchase just wait and make contacts with reputable breeders.
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A well dressed dog doesn't equal a ill-behaved dog. In terms of "yappiness", they are terriers and as such generally speaking will tend to be barkier, than some other breeds. This holds true in my house, with two guard dogs, and one Yorkie. But it is entirely possible to train this characteristic in such a way it works for you and your household.

I do agree that Yorkies have provided me a unique training challenge. I've found my Yorkie to be somewhat stubborn but also determined. He was a bit harder to potty train, and most of that being my fault!.

The library is great resource lots of articles etc. Also look at the training forums, and especially the sick and emergency, where you can get a first hand look at some of the real health problems that can be a part of a Yorkies and their owners lot in life.
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Welcome to YT!!!

I'm so glad you found us by researching a breed before you purchase one. So many people don't do this and it leads to so many problems.

Prepare yourself, here comes a TON of information:
Yorkies are wonderful little companion dogs. Mine is spoiled rotten but definitely isn't a "diva". She rarely ever barks, isn't demanding for attention, doesn't have an ounce of aggression or attitude, is potty trained to go outside, knows her obedience commands plus a bunch of fun tricks, and LOVES every other living being on the planet. People who hate "little happy dogs" always end up changing their minds upon meeting my dog. Personally I trained my yorkie like I would train any other dog of larger size despite her being less then 5 lbs. However, I still always keep her size in mind and don't let her do things that may put her in danger and/or harm her. For example, she is not allowed to jump off of anything higher then the height of one stair. She has doggie steps for the couch and my bed. I also do not let children pick her up or adults I do not feel comfortable with. Any type of fall or jump from any height can easily break a leg on these dogs, or god forbid they land on their head or back, it can kill them. I am also careful with her around other dogs. I do allow her to play with dogs of all sizes but upon first meeting them I hold her and observe the other dogs behavior first to determine if i think they will be ok together.

Now, on to finding a yorkie from a reputable breeder. The first place I would visit is the Yorkshire Terrier Club website Yorkshire Terrier Club of America to find a list of breeders in your area. Also read the site to learn about the standard, health issues, grooming requirements, etc... There are also threads here on YT about what to look for when buying a yorkie and how to pick a breeder, and we also have a library filled with great informative threads about the breed

One of the first things you may notice is that Reputable breeders only breed yorkies that follow the breed standard. This does not include biewers, partis, gold dust, chocolate, etc... Partis, chocolates, and god dust colors are not standard so show breeders will not breed for these colors. You will find that many "breeders" that do breed these colors will charge a ridiculous amount of money for them saying that they are a "rare" color and therefore worth more. This is not true. The color is a fault and therefore should be worth LESS then the standard color. Stay away from breeders who promote their "rare" colored dogs. Sometimes they aren't even pure bred but mixed with other breeds to achieve the colors.

Biewers are a different story. They ARE a recognized breed in Germany and an up and coming breed here in the USA. I believe they are show in the Rare Breed clubs here. They have a slightly different standard then the yorkie. There are a couple different Biewer clubs here with different opinions on how the breed originated and how they should be bred so if you are interested in a biewer be sure to research all the clubs and their views before you pick a breeder. It can be very confusing and overwhelming and there are many debates between the groups. If you do a search here you will find a lot of information. There is a breeder here on YT who breeds yorkies and biewers that happens to be in MI. Her name here is Breny and her website is Home - Greens Treasured Yorkies . Many people here have puppies from her and they all have positive reviews.

Do not use google to search for a breeder. Many are puppy mills or brokers and you will only find heartache there. You should not have to pay thousands of dollars for a pet yorkie. You also will probably not be able to find one for $500. Generally, yorkies cost around $1000-1500 and viewers may cost slightly more. There are breeders who do sell for less (or more) and you may also find an older pup for a lower price.


Hope i didn't overwhelm you with too much information (or give you info your not interested in) but sometimes once i get going I just can't stop.
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