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01-21-2012, 09:38 PM | #16 | |
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I agree that they can suffer terribly...mentally...from abuses as well as physical issues, drugs, chemical food additives, and other things. My first Shep/Lab managed to sneak out of the house in heat before we knew she'd started her cycle and about a week before she was to be spayed and had 7 puppies. When they were on soft solid food about a week, one pup somehow managed to choke on a bit of the food. I was right there with all of them but didn't see him right away 'cuz I was working with whole whole litter, cleaning the welping box, etc. and turned away for a couple minutes, glancing at them every now and then. When I looked back at them, he was lying on the floor, unconscious, so I grabbed him up and did a Heimlich and got him breathing, but you could see in his eyes and body he was mentally retarded and we lost him anyway. It was awful and I never took my eyes off the pups while they were eating again. I had a friend who had a Maine Coon cat...a gift to her who became her heart...who she had to have PTS 'cuz he was acting schizophrenic. He'd be all lovey dovey one second and attack her the next. Her vet...also my vet...called it "Rage" and said it is more common in dogs than cats, where it is rare. Also, I have rescued feral cats who seem quite neurotic with fear based issues, and most of them have overcome everything but some needed to be indoors for 30 minutes or so before the 'outside feral cat' in them relaxed enough to be comfortable indoors. Another cat, stray or dumped, was not very friendly, even after we took care of his absessed leg. If you touched him with your foot...I give mine foot-lovies when my hands are busy...he'd freak out and be all teeth and claws. Again, just kept treating him like nothing was wrong, and continuing to love him up and not too much later, he'd flop down on my feet and start foot-loveying, plus he'd let my baby granddaughter use him as a footstool. I have a friend who got a dog from a shelter...he was pretty neurotic, too. It took quite a while, and he had some physical issues from the abuse they had corrected surgically, but they just kept loving him until he decided people were ok again and now he is a little darling. Sorry this was so lengthy, but since animals eat processed foods with additives, and are given chemical drugs, and display emotions and behaviors rather like humans, etc., I cannot imagine that some of them don't end up with some of the same mental and emotional problems people do.
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01-21-2012, 10:13 PM | #17 | |
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What ever the reason( and im well aware of the reason), this was a mental disorder. Id imagine anything to be possible | |
01-22-2012, 08:13 AM | #18 | |
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01-22-2012, 02:35 PM | #19 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | This topic is of huge interest to me. Temperament is thought to be inherited and developed; ie Nature versus nuture. And it appears for the most part to be both. What I do find most interesting is that a puppy can have temperament flaws unique to itself and not shared by other litter mates, and come from stable parents and lineage. Temperament test evaluators (these are mainly used for the working breeds, and some hunting breeds), do have ways for assessing if this dog, has an inborn ie genetic problem, versus a training or discipline shortfall. The vast majority of dogs who exhibit behaviour and or temperament problems, the problem is rightly found in their upbringing. And therefor should be the first line of investigation. I've long believed that there should be a Temperament Test evaluative standard for all dogs, but particularly companion/toy breed dogs. A healthy dog no matter what breed it is needs to have a healthy temperament. Each faucet of temperament can be viewed as a temperature gauge. Each breeds' norm is somewhat different on that temperature gauge. For example; take the term "friendliness or socialbility". Many working and or guard breeds would be low on the scale of friendliness" - their desired breed characteristics swing more to aloofness. These breeds are meant to be calm and confident and if an importune hand reaches out to pet them; they merely swing their head out of contact, or sidestep out of reach. They neither want nor desire stranger contact. Often times this characteristic comes coupled with a deep loyalty and love for their owners. And these are the folks that they seek affection and loving from. A dog with a flawed temperament should never be breed, no matter how perfect the dog might be in other ways.
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01-22-2012, 03:17 PM | #20 |
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| Kind of OT but not really. Pits are controversial I think BSL is well take off the L... However I am not going to dismiss the genetic flaw proven and markered showing up in blue nose pit which among other neurological defects has caused severe aggression. This 'defect' has been proven due to them being overly inbred for a brighter more silvery blue coloration and the production of many bright all white pits. I would openly assume such issues could also occur in any dog breed for the same reasoning.
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01-22-2012, 07:03 PM | #21 | |
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Chelsea was soooo incredibly nervous/skittish. Her mom seemed to recognize it too and she picked on her noticeably more than all the other puppies, which in turn led them to follow mom's lead and pick on her too. I spent hours at the breeders home trying to chose my puppy and ended up choosing Chelsea not only because she was so incredibly cute but also because I wanted to get her away from her mom & siblings who were constantly nipping at her and trying to distance themselves from her...she was the left out pup Chelsea became more confident as she grew older, especially in the security of her home environment, although she was never what I would describe as a confident dog, but she sure was beautiful & as sweet and gentle as could be
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01-22-2012, 09:17 PM | #22 | |
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01-23-2012, 04:15 AM | #23 | |
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01-23-2012, 04:34 AM | #24 | |
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01-23-2012, 04:37 AM | #25 |
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01-23-2012, 01:35 PM | #26 |
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| Oh! Thankfully this was pointed out to me. I have brain pause at the moment: Scoobers has major anxiety issues mainly separation anxiety in which he was prescribed doggy Prozac. I chose training and natural 'sedative' Dog's ell mello mut and rescue remedy. I think (assume) his issue was based on his previous abuse and during his rehab he was with me 24:7 after becoming unafraid of me. So I blame my own actions for some of his behaviors and his previous abuser for the rest of it. Princess takes a vitamin supplement (I think it's actually more minerals) because she eats random objects-mainly hard plastic and her dental rope. It started as puppy behavior but she would actually eat things whole it has stopped almost completely with modification of her diet and training: vet still calls it a behavioral disorder.
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01-23-2012, 03:22 PM | #27 |
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| We are used to seeing genetic defects like liver shunt issues or hip dysfunctions but brain issues can be caused by the genetics of the dog as well. Not all show breeders are genetics experts and even those who know a lot are not always free from problems. Puppies need to be handled frequently, several times a day from birth but owners are not always able to give those pups the time they need. Sometimes they are not handled correctly and that can leave an imprint on their little brains as well. Some people can produce a near perfect looking dog but the personality may be far from what is desired for the breed. Many problems can be overcome with the right kind of person to work with it but if the problem is genetic it is a whole different kind of thing to deal with. Usually there is not much that can be done. |
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