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Old 01-08-2012, 10:29 AM   #1
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Default Royal Canin & Corn gluten meal....

In a previous post i mentioned that i did not like the fact
that RC had corn gluten meal in it.
I always thought because it said corn it was bad.
Well i was wrong i guess.
I went to Petsmart today to get Oscar another bag of RC
and there was a Pet Food Nutritionist there
doing a seminar.
I was talking to her about RC and corn gluten meal.
Well she told me that it is not corn but a by product
and in fact a highly nutritious ingredient in dog food
because it contains a high amount of Zinc which is
very beneficial for dogs.
I felt much better after speaking to her , now i know i am feeding
Oscar a good quality food.
I know several of you feed this to your yorkies
so i wanted to share this info
just in case you didn't know , like me..
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It's controversial. Almost anyone can call themselves a pet nutritionist. A lot of the folks in Petsmart are well intentioned but sometimes don't know much, and are coached what to say. I worked for a dog food company for a brief period of time (and stood in Petsmart every weekend) and they give you lines to spout, etc, and don't even really tell you or explain to you anything... it's a lot of "say this, promote this, etc".

I don't personally think corn is beneficial. Those who sell food with corn in it will say it is. Just like those who sell food without it will say it's not. Food is a political thing around dog forums and dog people, LOL.

I don't think corn is all evil or anything that it can be made out to be. But I don't think it's necessary at all for a dog, or carnivore. Humans can't even digest it. Jackson ate some corn the other day that dropped on the floor and it was in his poop the next morning, LOL. Just like humans.

I like The Dog Food Project - How does your Dog Food Brand compare? as a reference - she doesn't say corn is "bad" by any means. She just explains a lot of different ingredients, etc.

For my dog, I've found grainfree to work the best for him, thru trial & error and "experiment".

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Compared to herbivores a dog's digestive tract is much less specialized for digesting grains, or carbohydrates in general for that matter - especially in their raw, unprocessed form. However, dogs are not true carnivores but opportunistic feeders and can digest and utilize the starch from grains in dog food that has been converted by the cooking process. Digestibility depends on quality and type of grain used: rice (72%) is for example more digestible than wheat (60%) or corn (54%). Dogs can absorb the digestible carbohydrates from rice almost entirely, of the other grains about 20% are not absorbed. Indigestible fiber from grains contribute to intestinal health.
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I studied nutrition in college, just one class, but that with a lifetime of interest makes me feel like I have a pretty good understanding of the ingredients and what they do. If I were you, and had any more questions about the food I'd call the company; they do have nutritionists on staff, who have an excellent understanding of the ingredients and what they do. I was really impressed when I talked with one, and she seemed to have a thorough understanding of the product. It’ important also to remember that not all ingredients in a food has to be highly digestible or even nutritional, sometimes,for example, an ingredient is used for fiber to aid in intestinal health.
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It's controversial. Almost anyone can call themselves a pet nutritionist. A lot of the folks in Petsmart are well intentioned but sometimes don't know much, and are coached what to say. I worked for a dog food company for a brief period of time (and stood in Petsmart every weekend) and they give you lines to spout, etc, and don't even really tell you or explain to you anything... it's a lot of "say this, promote this, etc".

I don't personally think corn is beneficial. Those who sell food with corn in it will say it is. Just like those who sell food without it will say it's not. Food is a political thing around dog forums and dog people, LOL.

I don't think corn is all evil or anything that it can be made out to be. But I don't think it's necessary at all for a dog, or carnivore. Humans can't even digest it. Jackson ate some corn the other day that dropped on the floor and it was in his poop the next morning, LOL. Just like humans.

I like The Dog Food Project - How does your Dog Food Brand compare? as a reference - she doesn't say corn is "bad" by any means. She just explains a lot of different ingredients, etc.

For my dog, I've found grainfree to work the best for him, thru trial & error and "experiment".
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In a previous post i mentioned that i did not like the fact
that RC had corn gluten meal in it.
I always thought because it said corn it was bad.
Well i was wrong i guess.
I went to Petsmart today to get Oscar another bag of RC
and there was a Pet Food Nutritionist there
doing a seminar.
I was talking to her about RC and corn gluten meal.
Well she told me that it is not corn but a by product
and in fact a highly nutritious ingredient in dog food
because it contains a high amount of Zinc which is
very beneficial for dogs.
I felt much better after speaking to her , now i know i am feeding
Oscar a good quality food.
I know several of you feed this to your yorkies
so i wanted to share this info
just in case you didn't know , like me..
To the OP, I don't care what food you feed your dog; someone will say something bad about it. I believe it's a good quality food too, and Joey's been on it for 5 years and is thriving. He never vomits or has gas, never has diarrhea, his hair is shinny and his teeth and breath are good. He isn’t itchy and he has no eye tearing, which he did on another food. He has plenty of energy and is at a good weight. I wish my food did all that for me!



By the way, the quote in Brits post actually supports the use of corn in food.
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By the way, the quote in Brits post actually supports the use of corn in food.
I know, I was posting it to show the author of that site's view. I don't know if it was so much as "supporting", but more that yes, it CAN be utilized, in some form. I don't think that particular author really ever says "corn is good" or "corn is bad". It's the OP's decision - I feel that the dogfoodproject site is a good balance, not too biased either way really, so wanted to throw the link and quote out there from it.
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I think different dog foods work different for different dogs. One type of food could make ones eyes run and the others not or one dog food could make one dog have stomach problems but another not. I personaly dont think dogs need grains and prefer grain free and Callie does really well on it so it works for us. The problem is finding a food small enough for miss picky need small bites lol
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In a previous post i mentioned that i did not like the fact
that RC had corn gluten meal in it.
I always thought because it said corn it was bad.
Well i was wrong i guess.
I went to Petsmart today to get Oscar another bag of RC
and there was a Pet Food Nutritionist there
doing a seminar.
I was talking to her about RC and corn gluten meal.
Well she told me that it is not corn but a by product
and in fact a highly nutritious ingredient in dog food
because it contains a high amount of Zinc which is
very beneficial for dogs.
I felt much better after speaking to her , now i know i am feeding
Oscar a good quality food.
I know several of you feed this to your yorkies
so i wanted to share this info
just in case you didn't know , like me..
My vet took Miley off RC because of the corn and gluten 3 years ago. And I took Max off it too, and with my pups she will not be eating it.
Miley was beginning to have liver problem , when she ran her blood count , she said lets take her off RC right away and start her on Hills Prescription Diet I/d.
And I love it , her liver count is always good, their poo is less and they both love it. And I try to always give them chicken or turkey treats, so far so good.
I was never so scare than when she was having liver bad courts in her blood. She is well and full of life.
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I know, I was posting it to show the author of that site's view. I don't know if it was so much as "supporting", but more that yes, it CAN be utilized, in some form. I don't think that particular author really ever says "corn is good" or "corn is bad". It's the OP's decision - I feel that the dogfoodproject site is a good balance, not too biased either way really, so wanted to throw the link and quote out there from it.
She says that corn can be used for intestinal health, and that's good very good!!!! Intestinal health is so important and often overlooked by hobby nutritionists. She does give information so that people can make up their own mind, but the OP is pleased with her food, and nothing in that link is in anyway saying that corn is bad. Yet your overall post seems to be negative, but that is just your opinion, and it's almost like you use her quote to support your opinion, yet it doesn't. Usually when someone given an opinion and then a quote from a valid source, the quote supports what they have just said.
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To the OP, I don't care what food you feed your dog; someone will say something bad about it.
Totally agree with this. You'll never be able to please everyone.

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I believe it's a good quality food too, and Joey's been on it for 5 years and is thriving. He never vomits or has gas, never has diarrhea, his hair is shinny and his teeth and breath are good. He isn’t itchy and he has no eye tearing, which he did on another food. He has plenty of energy and is at a good weight. I wish my food did all that for me!
Jackson also never vomits or has gas, or diarrhea, his hair has been super shiny since getting him back on grainfree in particular, and his teeth and breath are also good. Also no itchies or eye tearing, and LOTS of energy and an amazing body, if I do say so myself. For most of his adult life, he's been on Acana and after a few months of trying lower protein/grain inclusive foods, putting him back on Acana, I could definitely see the difference just after two bags of being back on it. So he's basically eaten grain-free for all of his life and he's been a very healthy, active dog. One bout of a throw-up session/overnight hospital stay after a lot of bad fatty human foods, but it had nothing to do with his dog food.

Bottom line is that Joey looks fantastic (and I'm not just saying that! lol, Joey is a very very pretty, erm, handsome man) and so does Jackson - different foods work differently for different dogs. There are so many factors besides food when it comes to a dogs health (i.e. genetics, exercise, etc) so it's impossible to truly say one dog is healthier because he ate x food while the other dog is more unhealthy due to eating y food.

It's a matter of doing your own research, finding what works best for you and your dog and doing what you believe is right. We all love our dogs and want the best for them. I will always continuously fill my mind with new information, new opinions. That's science for you; always changing.
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She says that corn can be used for intestinal health, and that's good very good!!!! Intestinal health is so important and often overlooked by hobby nutritionists. She does give information so that people can make up their own mind, but the OP is pleased with her food, and nothing in that link is in anyway saying that corn is bad. Yet your overall post seems to be negative, but that is just your opinion, and it's almost like you use her quote to support your opinion, yet it doesn't. Usually when someone given an opinion and then a quote from a valid source, the quote supports what they have just said.
Lol, sorry, I'm a bit lazy on YT and it's getting late (I should be asleep! ) I like to take a break from English classes while on YT and don't tend to over analyze my posts on a discussion forum TOO much, considering I'm here for "fun" though I do like to watch my spelling and grammar for the most part.

Yup, it's my opinion. I wasn't trying to use her quote to support my opinion per say. I basically said I don't believe corn is all evil, I don't personally think it's necessary, but it's also not "bad". But I was kind of all over the place in my post and was trying to give a view of both "sides" and thought the link would prove to be unbiased and satisfy those who believe corn is beneficial and those who don't. As far as being negative, I wasn't trying to be, but we are all entitled to our opinions and I've seen quite a few negative posts regarding high protein as well, which is fantastic because those reading can read both sides and decide for themselves.
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Totally agree with this. You'll never be able to please everyone.



Jackson also never vomits or has gas, or diarrhea, his hair has been super shiny since getting him back on grainfree in particular, and his teeth and breath are also good. Also no itchies or eye tearing, and LOTS of energy and an amazing body, if I do say so myself. For most of his adult life, he's been on Acana and after a few months of trying lower protein/grain inclusive foods, putting him back on Acana, I could definitely see the difference just after two bags of being back on it. So he's basically eaten grain-free for all of his life and he's been a very healthy, active dog. One bout of a throw-up session/overnight hospital stay after a lot of bad fatty human foods, but it had nothing to do with his dog food.

Bottom line is that Joey looks fantastic (and I'm not just saying that! lol, Joey is a very very pretty, erm, handsome man) and so does Jackson - different foods work differently for different dogs. There are so many factors besides food when it comes to a dogs health (i.e. genetics, exercise, etc) so it's impossible to truly say one dog is healthier because he ate x food while the other dog is more unhealthy due to eating y food.

It's a matter of doing your own research, finding what works best for you and your dog and doing what you believe is right. We all love our dogs and want the best for them. I will always continuously fill my mind with new information, new opinions. That's science for you; always changing.
Oh thank you so much, and I think Jackson looks fantastic too. Actually, science doesn't change very fast at all, it just seems like it does because of people who write the articles seen in public publications. They think a study or two changes things, it doesn't. Science is very slow to change and safety is always the primary thing.

The thing of it is she’s not telling other people to make a food switch she’s just saying

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Every time I see a post like this, people jump on them and say RC is not a quality food. Are you really so sure you know that? How do you know more than some of the leading canine nutritionists in the world?

I know I'm being a little aggressive here, but some people are so meek and they think you must really have studied to be so sure of what your saying.
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Lol, sorry, I'm a bit lazy on YT and it's getting late (I should be asleep! ) I like to take a break from English classes while on YT and don't tend to over analyze my posts on a discussion forum TOO much, considering I'm here for "fun" though I do like to watch my spelling and grammar for the most part.

Yup, it's my opinion. I wasn't trying to use her quote to support my opinion per say. I basically said I don't believe corn is all evil, I don't personally think it's necessary, but it's also not "bad". But I was kind of all over the place in my post and was trying to give a view of both "sides" and thought the link would prove to be unbiased and satisfy those who believe corn is beneficial and those who don't. As far as being negative, I wasn't trying to be, but we are all entitled to our opinions and I've seen quite a few negative posts regarding high protein as well, which is fantastic because those reading can read both sides and decide for themselves.
Of course corn isn't necessary, no one ingredient is necessary, just as chicken isn't necessary, but it's still suitable, and just as good for them as numerous other proteins.
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I don't think chicken and corn are comparable ingredients. Chicken is a meat protein with viable nutrients available to dogs and corn isn't. I too don't feel corn is necessary, and why add something that isn't?-but hey that's just me. OP it's good you found a food that you are happy with, that's all that matters in the end. Thanks for sharing
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Oh thank you so much, and I think Jackson looks fantastic too. Actually, science doesn't change very fast at all, it just seems like it does because of people who write the articles seen in public publications. They think a study or two changes things, it doesn't. Science is very slow to change and safety is always the primary thing.

The thing of it is she’s not telling other people to make a food switch she’s just saying

Every time I see a post like this, people jump on them and say RC is not a quality food. Are you really so sure you know that? How do you know more than some of the leading canine nutritionists in the world?

I know I'm being a little aggressive here, but some people are so meek and they think you must really have studied to be so sure of what your saying.
I don't feel Brit was jumping RC being bad just posting her thoughts on corn in dog food but I do think you were being a little unnecessarily aggressive.
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