Buying a Yorkie that is not from a puppy mill

[lillymae]

Originally Posted by YorkieMan10

Think about it... if people knew what went on in those places, they would never purchase those puppies. Nobody in their right mind would. Yet, many of them are still in business. So, people must be purchasing puppies from them. And if that's true, many people don't know about them.

I think it's mostly laziness myself.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by lillymae

I think it's mostly laziness myself.

That and want it now attitude with no research

[YorkieMan10]

Originally Posted by lillymae

The whole second paragraph.

If that entire second paragraph was true, you and MorkieMomma wouldn't be members on YT. Instead, you would be going door-to-door, looking for neighbors who might have Yorkies to discuss your troubles with. Instead, you decided to use an online resource where a lot of Yorkie fanatics meet everyday... and where a lot of information can be found all in one place. But, I guess you could argue that you're just being lazy or too bothered to travel to all of your neighbors homes. You're here sucking up that instant gratification with the rest of us...

[lillymae]

Originally Posted by chachi

That and want it now attitude with no research

Yep ! & in my opinion that's lazy.

[lillymae]

Originally Posted by YorkieMan10

If that entire second paragraph was true, you and MorkieMomma wouldn't be members on YT. Instead, you would be going door-to-door, looking for neighbors who might have Yorkies to discuss your troubles with. Instead, you decided to use an online resource where a lot of Yorkie fanatics meet everyday... and where a lot of information can be found all in one place. But, I guess you could argue that you're just being lazy or too bothered to travel to all of your neighbors homes. You're here sucking up that instant gratification with the rest of us...

What ??? & FYI I have owned yorkies for 30 yrs & I have only been a member here since 2009, & guess what ! we never used a PC to research breeders.

[YorkieMan10]

Originally Posted by lillymae

What ??? & FYI I have owned yorkies for 30 yrs & I have only been a member her since 2009, & guess what ! we never used a PC to research breeders.

Well, I suppose your age is shining through a bit. It's sad, but a lot of older people are afraid of computers. They have no idea how to harness their true potential. There is certainly a lot more to them than checking email and surfing forums...

[lillymae]

Originally Posted by YorkieMan10

Well, I suppose your age is shining through a bit. It's sad, but a lot of older people are afraid of computers. They have no idea how to harness their true potential. There is certainly a lot more to them than checking email and surfing forums...

I know just fine how to use my PC. I was a kid when my parents purchased our 1st yorkie & we did not have a PC & neither did most people.

[lillymae]

Originally Posted by YorkieMan10

Well, I suppose your age is shining through a bit. It's sad, but a lot of older people are afraid of computers. They have no idea how to harness their true potential. There is certainly a lot more to them than checking email and surfing forums...

Apparently you have not figured out to harness the true potential of your PC or you would be checking out the sites that others here have given you to find a reputable breeder, instead of complaining that you can't find one.

[AbbysMom08]

Originally Posted by lillymae

Apparently you have not figured out to harness the true potential of your PC or you would be checking out the sites that others here have given you to find a reputable breeder, instead of complaining that you can't find one.

[YorkieMan10]

Originally Posted by lillymae

Apparently you have not figured out to harness the true potential of your PC or you would be checking out the sites that others here have given you to find a reputable breeder, instead of complaining that you can't find one.

Wow... you're coming around I think. First, you suggested not using a computer at all. And, now... you're suggesting to use a computer. I knew you'd come around eventually

[zedhead]

So, after reading 200 posts of mostly BS, I don't think the question was ever answered.

Are You affiliated with Greenfield, or not???

Here's the deal. If You're serious about finding a reputable breeder, all the info you need is out there. You just have to spend a little time researching the breeders that You want to deal with. It's really up to YOU and no one else.

There is not a site out there that lists every reputable breeder vs puppy mills.

Common Sense is Your friend, learn to use it. Most peeps know the way puppy mills operate, and a few simple quesions can usually weed them out.
All of the guidelines are outlined on lots of sites, this one included. Use them to guide you thru the process.

When the price of Yorkies is in the $800-$5000 range, there are going to be unscrupulous people looking to make a fast buck. Just as there is in any other high dollar purchase you make.

Another problem is that people make decisions with to much emotion involved. (read the OMG,OMG,OMG thread posted here) Once they see a pic, or meet the dog, they've already made the decision that this is the cuetest puppy they've ever seen. They've made the decision with their heart strings, not their mind.

[YorkieMan10]

Originally Posted by zedhead

If You're serious about finding a reputable breeder, all the info you need is out there.

There really isn't much info out there. Unless you're referring to the "go do your own research" and "stop being lazy" or "get to the dog shows" advice that seems to be a recurring theme here.

Originally Posted by zedhead

There is not a site out there that lists every reputable breeder vs puppy mills.

True. And there aren't sites that have a comprehensive list of breeders (good or bad) by state either.

Originally Posted by zedhead

Common Sense is Your friend, learn to use it

Common sense tells me that it does not make good sense to make important decisions based on incomplete research.

Originally Posted by zedhead

Most peeps know the way puppy mills operate, and a few simple quesions can usually weed them out.

How do puppy mills stay in business then if most people are smart enough to weed them out?

Originally Posted by zedhead

Once they see a pic, or meet the dog, they've already made the decision that this is the cuetest puppy they've ever seen. They've made the decision with their heart strings, not their mind.

I suppose this is how puppy mills stay in business. Imagine if those same people had access to information about the reputable breeders near them. People would certainly start to make smarter decisions.

[gracielove]

The people on these broker sites are selling pet quality puppies with registration papers that do not restrict breeding rights. An ethical breeder is not going to sell pet puppies with breeding rights. If that is the type of person you want to buy from it is certainly your right but many people here are concerned about the indiscriminate breeding of purebred dogs by puppy mills and backyard breeders.

An ethical breeder does not put dogs together to breed without knowledge of the genetic background. To do so only brings forward genetic defects on a more and more regular basis.These pups have problems both physically and in their temperament. People are daily buying what appear to be cute little puppies that have genetic problems that cost thousands of dollars to treat and many still do not make it. Many find their puppies have socialization issues. YT often has new owners come here asking if their puppy is really a purebred Yorkie because as that cute little pup grows it does not look like the picture of the cute little dog they had seen elsewhere.

There is a listing of Yorkie rescue groups listed here on YT. Visit those sites and see the problems those Yorkies have. Many have had to be given up by the owners because they could not deal with all the health problems or the owner didn't want the dog that didn't fit the picture of what they they thought the pup would look like. Some were mistreated or abandoned.

It's not an "assumption" to say that these brokers are representing unethical breeders. If you actually look into what an ethical breeder is you would know the difference right away. An ethical breeder does not sell the stock that they spent years to achieve to someone who knows nothing about the breed and who only wants to raise puppies as a "hobby."

The people who sell on this type of site are in it for the money plain and simple. They produce so many puppies that they have to advertize like this in order to sell their puppies. They have to sell breeding rights because they want the money and care nothing about what happens to that puppy later. A good breeder with a science based breeding program who cares about their puppies does not have a problem selling their puppies. Yes, they have their own websites but that site shows the dams and sires and it shows where those dogs came from and what kind of quality they are. You can look at the pedigree and see a carefully planned program. You may not be able to buy their puppies for $500.00 but you know what you are getting and you have a breeder that stands behind the sale.

I realize not everyone can pay for that kind of puppy and many here have purchased their dogs from local breeders and have gotten wonderful pets. However, I would advise anyone who is thinking of buying a puppy to try to buy from a respected and referenced breeder before supporting breeders who produce puppies for profit. Save your money a little longer and do your research. Don't help to keep these leeches in business who use innocent little animals to make money. Your chances of getting a puppy that is healthy both physically and emotionally will be greatly increased.

[jp4m2]

Yorkieman I get where your coming from. It would be so much easier if such a list or source would exist to direct us to a *good* or *reputable* breeder. But who would do that?? Everytime I went on my search I hoped I would come across such a list only to find there was no such list.....

I did know to an extent as to who to avoid such as a USDA breeder or a mixed bread breeder but it' was always those breeders who appeared to be good but then.......All we are told to do is "research your breeder" "buy your breeder first, then the pup". Seems so simple doesn't it??? It doesn't help when people are afraid to speak up when they find out after the fact that the breeder they thought was reputable turned out not to be so. Or they just don't know how or where to let people know to avoid such a breeder because there is no reporting department or organization. So the pet owner suffers the heartache of dealing with the ill pup and the breeder continues.

I also found a couple of breeders on the YTCA list, it was no help either. The ones I found I would never recommend to anyone. There were even several breeders on this very site (some long term members)who where praised for their pups and/ or breading practices, turned out they also weren't what they appeared to be......Sad as it looks it's the luck of the draw and it shouldn't be that way. All we're asking for is for a healthy pup, is that to much to ask for????

[SweetLifetime]

Originally Posted by YorkieMan10

There really isn't much info out there. Unless you're referring to the "go do your own research" and "stop being lazy" or "get to the dog shows" advice that seems to be a recurring theme here.

If you're truly interested in help, the very first response to your question way back on page one has a link to a known list of reputable breeders. By state, in fact. It may not be comprehensive, but it's the best place to start if that's what you need.