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[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

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[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

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BS there aren't purebreds in shelters there here's a list right here:43 in the city limits available now I count 19 guaranteed purebred....
Pet Search Results: Adoptable yorkie Dog Pets in Miami, FL: Petfinder


Well to answer the question, you need to fully review her AKC pedigree, get her championed, CHIC certified, OFA her heart, eyes and knees in the least and also have her temperament evaluated after all this she will be of breeding quality (am I right anyone please correct me or any errors here) then you need an experienced reputable breeder to train you a reputable vet and a long look into her eyes to see if risking her life is worth it.

Oh and take a stroll down to your local shelter/rescue look at all the homeless dogs, do you wanna make more surplus pets and in the least decrease the homes for those dogs.

If you say yes, well get to learning, and testing good luck to you.

[FlDebra]

I can tell by the questions you ask that you are not close to being knowledgeable enough to consider breeding yorkies! Pls don't purposefully breed mixed breed puppies!

The yorkshire terrier breed has no teacup designation like some breeds do. Some people just call smaller yorkies teacups in the hopes of getting more money for them -- all about GREED! I'm going to copy & paste part of a post I made to another member this morning. They had already bred a litter that appear mixed. She didn't ask ANY questions about what to do for the mom or puppies healthwise. She only asked questions about calling the puppies rare (to get more money), how to register the puppies (even though she wasn't sure of the sire and neither dam nor supposed sire were registered!). In other words her only questions are about how much money she can make on these poor little puppies.

Here is part of what I wrote to the other person and much of it may prove useful to you too:

"It takes a LOT of study to ready yourself for the very BIG responsibility of breeding Yorkies! I studied for 2 years & there is still so much I could learn! You have to ensure you have 2 dogs that meet the Yorkshire Terrier Standards. Then they also need to be complimentary of each other! There are dozens of checklist points that need to be considered to decide if they are breeding quality & if they are going to be a good match between the two. You don't just evaluate these two dogs -- you have to look at their family history & other litters from their parents. You look for anything that could be a genetic problem. It is very important to look at these parents' parents & as many litters from these parents as possible.

You should have 2 unbiased Yorkie experts that are well-versed in the showing of Yorkshire Terriers go over the dogs with a critical eye to check for standard, -- you can find the Yorkie standards here: Yorkshire Terrier Club of America -- bone structure, bite, ear set, coat color and texture, check the hips the knees, all joints really to ensure no anomalies or congenital problems, for examples.

Then you would want to go to the vet and have them check more -- get a certificate to certify their eyes, heart, knees and hips are all checked out perfect (CERF & OFA). Then you get the blood work to check for more problems that shows up in blood tests -- STDs, liver function tests, bile acid tests, checking for shunts, thyroid levels, renal health, a current Brucellosis test on both, pelvic exams for the dams, microscopic exams of semen for the males etc. None of this is cheap!!! It costs a lot to get 2 dogs thoroughly checked out to know they are breeding quality & compatible & complimentary to each other. IF you've done all this, then you have earned the right to be asking about registering pups & thinking about selling them for money!

I'd tell you to give these pups away & NOT make 1 cent from their sale, but sadly that's not always good either as there are unscrupulous folks who will take them for free & sell them for not nice purposes. So, you have to put some price on them so people will understand they have value even as mixed breed pups. Just be honest with potential buyers. Stop the cycle of dishonesty that was the case with both of your purchases.

I ask that you do as much research NOW into whelping puppies so that you can take care of these little ones' needs over the next 12-16 weeks. Do not let them go before then. They need that long with momma & siblings. If possible, try to find a mentor -- a professional breeder in your area that might share some knowledge with you & be available in case of emergency in addition to your vet & emergency vet. You may have trouble finding someone to do this at this late date & without any pre-breeding criteria met. It's a big risk! But try to prepare yourself as much as possible so you can help with these puppies if needed. Ask yourself, what would you do if you lost the momma dog tomorrow? Would you know what to feed? How much, & when? Would you know what to do to stimulate their bowels? ETC! There is so much to KNOW!

Read these links for info:
Dog Breeding and Canine Reproduction by Debbie Jensen. Dog Breeding and Whelping guide for dog breeders. -- BEST ONE!
Jon-An's Yorkshire Terriers (Puppy birth)
Whelping Puppies - Yorkshire Terrier Bea - Stay with your dam
YorkieInfoCenter | Yorkshire Terrier Pregnancy

Ask lots of questions here -- there are some very experienced & knowledgeable breeders that will share their knowledge with you if YOU show the dedication to learn & care for these puppies as they deserve.

[FlDebra]

If you stuck it out for my rather dire warning of a post and still want to learn more.....if you took no offense because you yourself want to be dedicated to breeding within the standards of the Yorkshire Terrier, to promote the best our breed has to offer and try to weed out any genetic flaws or dangers; if you want to work hard, study well, and invest a good sized chunk of money to this endeavor; then you will find many who will readily encourage you, motivate you, and share the knowledge and experience with you! Some of the best Yorkie minds in the world frequent these forums! They can be your best friend when it comes to learning more about breeding yorkies! They know more than has ever been written down and will welcome you if they sense the same dedication they put into this wonderful breed! But show a disregard for the breed, a lack of care for these amazing pups, be a greeder instead of a breeder, then stand by -- because there is not a lot of tolerance when it comes to neglect, abuse, or exploitation of our beloved Yorkies! Be kind, caring, and show how much you love the breed, and you will find a welcome and sharing of information that still amazes me! I have never gotten such enthusiastic help in any other undertaking! I have found inspiration in so many venues here! The help is here for the taking! Just show your drive, dedication and LOVE of the breed! I will be happy to answer any questions and share my limited experiences with breeding any time. You've started by asking questions. I find that is the way to keep going -- never stop asking, never stop learning! Good luck to you!

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

If you stuck it out for my rather dire warning of a post and still want to learn more.....if you took no offense because you yourself want to be dedicated to breeding within the standards of the Yorkshire Terrier, to promote the best our breed has to offer and try to weed out any genetic flaws or dangers; if you want to work hard, study well, and invest a good sized chunk of money to this endeavor; then you will find many who will readily encourage you, motivate you, and share the knowledge and experience with you! Some of the best Yorkie minds in the world frequent these forums! They can be your best friend when it comes to learning more about breeding yorkies! They know more than has ever been written down and will welcome you if they sense the same dedication they put into this wonderful breed! But show a disregard for the breed, a lack of care for these amazing pups, be a greeder instead of a breeder, then stand by -- because there is not a lot of tolerance when it comes to neglect, abuse, or exploitation of our beloved Yorkies! Be kind, caring, and show how much you love the breed, and you will find a welcome and sharing of information that still amazes me! I have never gotten such enthusiastic help in any other undertaking! I have found inspiration in so many venues here! The help is here for the taking! Just show your drive, dedication and LOVE of the breed! I will be happy to answer any questions and share my limited experiences with breeding any time. You've started by asking questions. I find that is the way to keep going -- never stop asking, never stop learning! Good luck to you!

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

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follow this advice. Thank you and have a good night.

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[MI Yorkielover]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

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follow this advice. Thank you and have a good night.

You crack me up !

[impish]

Nice post Debra! Very informative and gets down to the real facts, that it's a labor of love and there are many things to take into consideration before you breed a dog.

Originally Posted by FlDebra

If you stuck it out for my rather dire warning of a post and still want to learn more.....

[cheryl19]

Originally Posted by star2413

OK soooooo many responses I will NOT breed!!!!

GOOD FOR YOU!!!! I'm sure you will find a dog at your shelter. Unless you know what you are doing have her spayed the cost could be her life.

[addevo]

I read on another thread about a dog that went into labor early, the mommy and all babies died. Breeding dogs certainly is risky, and definitely not something one should approach lightly.

[mscat]

Originally Posted by addevo

I read on another thread about a dog that went into labor early, the mommy and all babies died. Breeding dogs certainly is risky, and definitely not something one should approach lightly.

Yes, I just read that post too . Breeding a toy dog has way too many health risks to both mom amd pups. Tragic accidents happen and you could lose the mom and babies easily.
When I was very young my parents bred their female Pom, the mom dies and they were left to care for newborn pups . this is not a easy task.

[imdll]

I’m glad to hear that you have chosen not to breed your dog. I do have a little rant for this thread though. . . .

My take on intentionally breeding cross bred dogs is not likely to be popular among the pure bred activists but here goes anyway.
First off, as has been said here many times breeding dogs or any animal is a serious business and must never be gone into lightly. It takes a great deal of knowhow and science to do it correctly and there is always a risk of complications with the puppies or the mother or both. Anyone desiring to breed an animal should do some serious studying before considering going down that road. Far too many people breed whatever they have in the backyard for a pet to whatever else. . . and that is a huge concern and not something any responsible dog owner would suggest doing and one of the reasons there are so many dogs currently in shelters.

However, there are people who happen to like cross bred dogs and intentionally breed cross bred dogs instead of pure bred dogs. Some do it to make money on "designer dogs" (this I do not agree with) and others do it because they happen to like how the crosses turn out. Many pure bred dog enthusiasts tend to forget that a number of "pure bred" breeds have had some cross breeding to develop certain characteristics in the breed or to actually create the breed in question. As much as pure bred activists tout “the breed standards” the fact is some of the breeds of today have not always been exactly as they are now. The English Bulldog for instance is nothing like the Bulldog that was used to create the Bullmastiff which is nothing but a pure bred dog that used to be a cross breed once upon a time. Again that involves a great deal of science and knowledge and not something to be gone into as a simple pass time.

One type of intentionally cross bred dog are Lurchers and Longdogs. Lurchers are any sighthound bred to any other breed like to a collie etc. A Longdog is a sigthound sighthound cross. They developed during a time when having pure bred sighthounds was prohibited by law but the practice of creating Lurchers and Longdogs still continues today and there are hunting competitions ect. for these particular types of dogs. I happen to own a Longdog, he is a generational Greyhound/Scottish Deerhound. (There is a science to the different generations too. . . ) He has qualities from both breeds that are beneficial. There have been people ask if anyone intends to create a new breed this way and the answer is no.

I have had a number of different pure bred dogs over the years, some rare breeds (like a Greater Swiss Mountain Dog before they were recognised through the AKC) some more common, some from working lines some from show lines (there is a difference) and currently have three cross bred dogs. Things just sort of worked out that way but we are plenty happy with the dogs we currently own.

I understand the cautions many have given here. There are lots of people who breed their dogs and create more and more unwanted dogs when there are already so many dogs in shelters needing homes or who create dogs with poor health or disposition due to improper breeding practices. I just kind of take exception to the "pure bred" mindset sometimes and their occasional condemnation of intentionally cross breeding dogs. It can be done properly and responsibly but as even happens with pure bred dogs too many people aren't in it for the right reasons or doing it properly. My issue with the pure bred mindset is that if it weren’t for someone cross breeding dogs we wouldn’t have some of the “pure bred” dogs we have today or they wouldn’t have some of the physical characteristics they have today. Kind of ironic isn’t it?

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by imdll

I’m glad to hear that you have chosen not to breed your dog. I do have a little rant for this thread though. . . .

My take on intentionally breeding cross bred dogs is not likely to be popular among the pure bred activists but here goes anyway.
First off, as has been said here many times breeding dogs or any animal is a serious business and must never be gone into lightly. It takes a great deal of knowhow and science to do it correctly and there is always a risk of complications with the puppies or the mother or both. Anyone desiring to breed an animal should do some serious studying before considering going down that road. Far too many people breed whatever they have in the backyard for a pet to whatever else. . . and that is a huge concern and not something any responsible dog owner would suggest doing and one of the reasons there are so many dogs currently in shelters.

However, there are people who happen to like cross bred dogs and intentionally breed cross bred dogs instead of pure bred dogs. Some do it to make money on "designer dogs" (this I do not agree with) and others do it because they happen to like how the crosses turn out. Many pure bred dog enthusiasts tend to forget that a number of "pure bred" breeds have had some cross breeding to develop certain characteristics in the breed or to actually create the breed in question. As much as pure bred activists tout “the breed standards” the fact is some of the breeds of today have not always been exactly as they are now. The English Bulldog for instance is nothing like the Bulldog that was used to create the Bullmastiff which is nothing but a pure bred dog that used to be a cross breed once upon a time. Again that involves a great deal of science and knowledge and not something to be gone into as a simple pass time.

One type of intentionally cross bred dog are Lurchers and Longdogs. Lurchers are any sighthound bred to any other breed like to a collie etc. A Longdog is a sigthound sighthound cross. They developed during a time when having pure bred sighthounds was prohibited by law but the practice of creating Lurchers and Longdogs still continues today and there are hunting competitions ect. for these particular types of dogs. I happen to own a Longdog, he is a generational Greyhound/Scottish Deerhound. (There is a science to the different generations too. . . ) He has qualities from both breeds that are beneficial. There have been people ask if anyone intends to create a new breed this way and the answer is no.

I have had a number of different pure bred dogs over the years, some rare breeds (like a Greater Swiss Mountain Dog before they were recognised through the AKC) some more common, some from working lines some from show lines (there is a difference) and currently have three cross bred dogs. Things just sort of worked out that way but we are plenty happy with the dogs we currently own.

I understand the cautions many have given here. There are lots of people who breed their dogs and create more and more unwanted dogs when there are already so many dogs in shelters needing homes or who create dogs with poor health or disposition due to improper breeding practices. I just kind of take exception to the "pure bred" mindset sometimes and their occasional condemnation of intentionally cross breeding dogs. It can be done properly and responsibly but as even happens with pure bred dogs too many people aren't in it for the right reasons or doing it properly. My issue with the pure bred mindset is that if it weren’t for someone cross breeding dogs we wouldn’t have some of the “pure bred” dogs we have today or they wouldn’t have some of the physical characteristics they have today. Kind of ironic isn’t it?

i think it would be generally accepted by YT members that a breeder may breed a "new" breed of dog for the purpose of being accepted into the AKC as a recognized breed. I believe that it takes at least 5 different backgrounds or "crosses" to create something totally new considered by AKC. I'm ok with hard work and trying to obtain an ethical but legitimate goal of a new breed. I'm not ok with greeders who breed two "pure" bred dogs or at least they claim to have pure breeds and do it just to cross two dogs and make a "designer" dog for profit. creating a new breed takes more than two pure breds crossing, it takes a lot out of many different dogs and genetics and science like you said. it's a long process and it's hard work and there is a legit goal in mind.

again I think a lot of YT members agree with this type of cross breeding. Not many of us are ok with just crossing any two dogs we own for the joy of puppies or money.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

i think it would be generally accepted by YT members that a breeder may breed a "new" breed of dog for the purpose of being accepted into the AKC as a recognized breed. I believe that it takes at least 5 different backgrounds or "crosses" to create something totally new considered by AKC. I'm ok with hard work and trying to obtain an ethical but legitimate goal of a new breed. I'm not ok with greeders who breed two "pure" bred dogs or at least they claim to have pure breeds and do it just to cross two dogs and make a "designer" dog for profit. creating a new breed takes more than two pure breds crossing, it takes a lot out of many different dogs and genetics and science like you said. it's a long process and it's hard work and there is a legit goal in mind.

again I think a lot of YT members agree with this type of cross breeding. Not many of us are ok with just crossing any two dogs we own for the joy of puppies or money.

In light of the extreme pet over population problem, breeding for the heck of it, because someone wants puppies, whether pure bred or mixed, should not be encouraged. "Because I want to" is not a legitimate reason for breeding.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...t-breeder.html

[imdll]

Not everyone wants a dog that is AKC registered and not everyone who breeds cross bred dogs wants to create a new breed. For example Lurchers and Longdogs have been bred for a very long time and no one wants to create a new breed or be a part of the AKC etc.

Not everyone wants to adopt a shelter dog and take a chance on health or disposition concerns created by someone else's backyard breeding or poor treatment. . . (before anyone jumps all over that, I personally have adopted, rescued, raised some and re-homed several dogs). However that is not something everyone is prepared to do and we need to realize that.

With regard to breeding, it's ridiculous to say that people shouldn't be breeding because the shelters are full. That's like saying people should stop having children because there are lots of kids who don't have families. It's not going to happen. Yes people who breed dogs need to be more responsible but we also need to be realistic about what we expect them to do or not to do as the case may be.

It also comes down to mindset. Some people are hung up on the whole pure bred thing and some are not. Are there benefits to pure bred dogs? There can be, but there can also be benefits to cross bred dogs. Dogs like the Bullmastiff were created to fit a need or desire for a specific type of dog. The Games Keepers simply wanted a dog that could perform they way they needed it to and so they created the Bullmastiff. The same sort of thing still goes on today only now some people get quite bent out of shape about it.

With regard to responsible breeding and “designer dogs”, I think a good look at the structure of the English Bulldog along with a study of all the health issues that plague that breed should quiet some of the condemnation pointed at the mixed breed designer dogs of today. The English Bulldog has a loyal following but nobody should ever consider owning one unless they have a boat load of money to spend at the vet. How responsible was it to purposely create some of the extreme physical attributes of the current pure bred AKC registerable English Bulldog? Does it get much more “designer dog” than that?

Yes people need to be more responsible about breeding dogs and more people need to get their dogs spayed or neutered so we don’t have so many unwanted dogs. Pure bred enthusiasts just need to understand that not everyone wants a pure bred dog. In fact some people specifically want cross bred dogs. People who raise Lurchers or Longdogs could have all pure bred dogs if that was what they wanted to own. There are reasons they choose Lurchers and Longdogs over pure bred dogs.

People are entitled to their own thoughts and opinions and there are lots of reasons why people may not follow whatever standard or rule someone else may personally feel would be appropriate. That doesn't make them wrong or stupid or irresponsible.