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SoSoNYC1 · 09-05-2011, 08:16 PM

Wow your yorkie girl is beautiful. Love her hair. =)

McheleM · 09-05-2011, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ragincajun

And I'm sure every single OBGyn fresh out of med school REALLY knows what to expect when that baby begins to crown? I would doubt that. Nothing replaces hands on experience.

before you get your hands on experience, you learn. From other people who know and have experience. You learn from books, you learn from teachers, and then you watch and watch and watch some more before you ever get your hands in there to even begin to catch a baby. And before you can get a license, you have to have so many births. As a midwifery student, I have to personally deliver 50 babies and it be documented by my teacher (mentor) in order to get my license. I have to be an active participant in 100 births as well. I can't just read in the internet or ask my friends how to deliver a baby and expect to be able to.

Maximo · 09-05-2011, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ragincajun

And I'm sure every single OBGyn fresh out of med school REALLY knows what to expect when that baby begins to crown? I would doubt that. Nothing replaces hands on experience.

However, how does one garner experience? It's to do it. Typically, and highly suggested, with an experienced person there to supervise and backup...just in case. In your doctor's example I wouldn't want that fresh out of med school doctor anywhere near my wife. But if the weathered veteran doctor was there then I'd feel alot better.

Doctors fresh out of school are required to do years of residency, during which time they are under the direct supervision of an experienced doctor.

MyTrixie143 · 09-05-2011, 09:20 PM

I just have one question. If you got this girl from a breeder from such great lines and are using that breeder's stud, why aren't you asking that breeder these questions? After all they gave you the rights to breed your girl they should have atleast checked to make sure that the person who was buying her with the intention of breeding knew what they were doing. You should be asking that breeder your questions. You are going to need a mentor that is close by so that they can help you assist in the birth and mating.
I find it so frustrating that a breeder would give out breeding rights with a good line without a care as to what happens to that dog. Because again if they cared you would think they would have thoroughly questioned your experience in breeding.

This is the best website that has all your answers and more...
Dog Breeding and Canine Reproduction by Debbie Jensen. Dog Breeding and Whelping guide for dog breeders.

My concerns are as follows.
1. The day when the dam should be bred. ( what if I do not notice her being on heat for a few days?) This is very basic knowledge and it is worrying that you don't know this.
2. Best foods for pregnant dams? Inc calcium and vitamins ? A premium puppy food is best. No calcium prior to birthing as this can lead to eclampsia.
3. Birthing stage, I asked the breeder of my dam if there was a history of any of his dams from this line of any birthing problems I.e c sections that were needed. He said he never had any problem with this line. Only with a past different line. Is there anything I could do with my vet to check if she is a good candidate for producing? Check the pelvic width and whether that is atleast wide enough to pass a puppy. Even this isn't guarantee though. Always prepare for complications and a c-section.
4. As a first time breeder should I let my dam give birth at home with just me or should I get a vet to come to the house? Since you've never done it before you definetly need someone experience with you as something could go wrong very quick and left on your own you could end up with dead puppies, a dead momma or both.
5. What things will I need?
Towels, thermometer, scale, heating pad, hemostats and scissor for clamping and cutting the cord, bulb syringe and nutridrops to name just a few.

trin7 · 09-05-2011, 09:37 PM

I've just read the seven pages of this post. It is amazing when someone who seems eager to learn and comes to YT for information and advice is judged so quickly and IMO extremely rudely. When are people supposed to become breeders. I don't believe anyone is born knowing everything - we all have to learn. Would it have been better for the OP to become one of the MANY backyard puppy mills. The OP obviously has a beautiful girl who is a very safe size to be bred. Being in Spain, with the language difference she/he comes here like many of us to gain information. Why should the OP give up the dream because of one or two people on YT have decided, in their pointed opinion that one should not breed? I raised Bengal cats for years without any close help but I had a phone and called my mentor who lived in a different country. I was very proud of my registered cattery, spent a fortune ensuring my cats/kittens were healthy and I did it for the love of my cats and ALWAYS found loving homes. If you spent anytime reading the original letter, the questions being asked are all good questions. The OP will have a vet close by and is asking about vitamins and food to help her female as much as possible. And I'm very sorry to hear that one is not supposed to enjoy the breeding process?? It truly is one of the most wonderful things to experience. No, I'm not suggesting this for most, but for those who have access to proper care, what give one person more rights over another. After reading the one poster that is the most negative, are you having a really bad day or is this your usual nature?? The OP will probably breed the female, so, are you really offering any help or just looking for an argument?? To the OP, I hope you learn a lot, and if you do breed your female, I wish you all of the best. You sound like you have great intentions and I hope you take the advice from the many people who truly want to help you and just ignore the rest!

Jackbrooks · 09-05-2011, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cj125

Your girl is beautiful! Is her sire CH Estugo's Right on Target?

Yes she is
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Jackbrooks · 09-05-2011, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by trin7

I've just read the seven pages of this post. It is amazing when someone who seems eager to learn and comes to YT for information and advice is judged so quickly and IMO extremely rudely. When are people supposed to become breeders. I don't believe anyone is born knowing everything - we all have to learn. Would it have been better for the OP to become one of the MANY backyard puppy mills. The OP obviously has a beautiful girl who is a very safe size to be bred. Being in Spain, with the language difference she/he comes here like many of us to gain information. Why should the OP give up the dream because of one or two people on YT have decided, in their pointed opinion that one should not breed? I raised Bengal cats for years without any close help but I had a phone and called my mentor who lived in a different country. I was very proud of my registered cattery, spent a fortune ensuring my cats/kittens were healthy and I did it for the love of my cats and ALWAYS found loving homes. If you spent anytime reading the original letter, the questions being asked are all good questions.
The OP will have a vet close by and is asking about vitamins and food to help her female as much as possible. And I'm very sorry to hear that one is not supposed to enjoy the breeding process?? It truly is one of the most wonderful
things to experience. No, I'm not suggesting this for most, but for those who have access to proper care, what give one person more rights over another. After reading the one poster that is the most negative, are you having a really bad day or is this your usual nature?? The OP will probably breed the female,
so, are you really offering any help or just looking for an argument?? To the OP, I hope you learn a lot, and if you do breed your female, I wish you all of the best. You sound like you have great intentions and I hope you take the advice from the many people who truly want to help you and just ignore the rest!

Thank you

trin7 · 09-05-2011, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jackbrooks

Thank you

You're very welcome!!

cheryl19 · 09-06-2011, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackbrooks

yes these people are fantastic! But let me tell you i donate hundreds of euros per year to our local pound in denia. so i help in everyway i can. but also let me tell you this. NOT EVERYONE WANTS A RESCUE DOG! RESUE DOGS ARE UNPREDICTABLE!!! you most likely wants mutts but i do not. i am trying to improve my line of yorkshire terriers! This improves the breed. you know there are so many tiny yorkies and huge ones out there that shouldnt be! i belive that all yorkshire terriers should meet the breed standard and in my eyes any yorkie that does not meet the standard should not be breeded at all!

"NOT EVERYONE WANTS A RESCUE DOG! RESUE DOGS ARE UNPREDICTABLE!!! "

Oh thank you..... I have 3 rescue dogs!

Ringo1 · 09-06-2011, 04:31 AM

I think the OP has a beautiful dog. Just beautiful!

I think the breeding concerns were that - he doesn't seem very knowledgeble AND he has indicated that his mentor is five hours away. (And maybe speaks another language, I wasn't clear on that and in a hurry)

IF he is going to breed this beautiful little girl - then she needs to be in the VERY best hands. Who would want to take chances with her life, or her pups life?

He needs someone who can be RIGHT THERE. Hopefully, he will find it.

TxVicki · 09-06-2011, 04:56 AM

[QUOTE=NOT EVERYONE WANTS A RESCUE DOG! RESUE DOGS ARE UNPREDICTABLE!!! "

[B]WELL I have had 7 RESCUE Yorkies and they have all been WONDERFUL!!!! Not unpredictable at all. They are the most loving babies I could have hoped for. So There!![/B]

YorkieRose · 09-06-2011, 05:08 AM

My advise for what it is worth...
You have a nice bitch from good lines..you can use a nice stud from good lines...you mentioned you can have the vet come to your home in case of a problem..
Read, learn everything you can...breed her and best wishes...
You are welcome to email me with any questions...
Primyork@aol.com

Jackbrooks · 09-06-2011, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

My advise for what it is worth...
You have a nice bitch from good lines..you can use a nice stud from good lines...you mentioned you can have the vet come to your home in case of a problem..
Read, learn everything you can...breed her and best wishes...
You are welcome to email me with any questions...
Primyork@aol.com

Thank you so much, you have been a huge help. I think your one of the only ones on here that has actualy helped.
I will email you.
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YorkieMother · 09-06-2011, 06:52 AM

Real nice to see this thread get back on line and teach and be gentle.

JL

Baby Teddy · 09-06-2011, 07:17 AM

She is beautiful!!! Love her coloring!

09-05-2011, 08:16 PM	#91
SoSoNYC1 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Ozone Park, NY Posts: 548	Wow your yorkie girl is beautiful. Love her hair. =) __________________ Proud Momma to my furkids: Austin, Chelsea York & Lenox

09-05-2011, 09:20 PM	#94
MyTrixie143 Mom to 6 Beautiful Furkids Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,409	I just have one question. If you got this girl from a breeder from such great lines and are using that breeder's stud, why aren't you asking that breeder these questions? After all they gave you the rights to breed your girl they should have atleast checked to make sure that the person who was buying her with the intention of breeding knew what they were doing. You should be asking that breeder your questions. You are going to need a mentor that is close by so that they can help you assist in the birth and mating. I find it so frustrating that a breeder would give out breeding rights with a good line without a care as to what happens to that dog. Because again if they cared you would think they would have thoroughly questioned your experience in breeding. This is the best website that has all your answers and more... Dog Breeding and Canine Reproduction by Debbie Jensen. Dog Breeding and Whelping guide for dog breeders. My concerns are as follows. 1. The day when the dam should be bred. ( what if I do not notice her being on heat for a few days?) This is very basic knowledge and it is worrying that you don't know this. 2. Best foods for pregnant dams? Inc calcium and vitamins ? A premium puppy food is best. No calcium prior to birthing as this can lead to eclampsia. 3. Birthing stage, I asked the breeder of my dam if there was a history of any of his dams from this line of any birthing problems I.e c sections that were needed. He said he never had any problem with this line. Only with a past different line. Is there anything I could do with my vet to check if she is a good candidate for producing? Check the pelvic width and whether that is atleast wide enough to pass a puppy. Even this isn't guarantee though. Always prepare for complications and a c-section. 4. As a first time breeder should I let my dam give birth at home with just me or should I get a vet to come to the house? Since you've never done it before you definetly need someone experience with you as something could go wrong very quick and left on your own you could end up with dead puppies, a dead momma or both. 5. What things will I need? Towels, thermometer, scale, heating pad, hemostats and scissor for clamping and cutting the cord, bulb syringe and nutridrops to name just a few. __________________ A dog is a furry person! http://www.dogster.com/?300866 Tracey and the gang DestinyHarmonyScamperGracieLillieKiwi Hershey Peppi

09-06-2011, 04:31 AM	#100
Ringo1 Ringo (1) and Lucy too! Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: On the Edge of Glory Posts: 3,447	I think the OP has a beautiful dog. Just beautiful! I think the breeding concerns were that - he doesn't seem very knowledgeble AND he has indicated that his mentor is five hours away. (And maybe speaks another language, I wasn't clear on that and in a hurry) IF he is going to breed this beautiful little girl - then she needs to be in the VERY best hands. Who would want to take chances with her life, or her pups life? He needs someone who can be RIGHT THERE. Hopefully, he will find it. __________________ Mommy to Lucy, Ringo, and Matthew

09-06-2011, 04:56 AM	#101
TxVicki Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: At Home Posts: 8,386	[QUOTE=NOT EVERYONE WANTS A RESCUE DOG! RESUE DOGS ARE UNPREDICTABLE!!! " [B]WELL I have had 7 RESCUE Yorkies and they have all been WONDERFUL!!!! Not unpredictable at all. They are the most loving babies I could have hoped for. So There!![/B] __________________ [SIZE="3"VICKI & ALLIE[/SIZE]

09-06-2011, 06:52 AM	#104
YorkieMother YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: North Posts: 1,324	Real nice to see this thread get back on line and teach and be gentle. JL __________________ "The truth about an animal is far more beautiful than all the myths woven about it." Konrad Loranz

09-05-2011, 09:37 PM	#95
trin7 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 554	I've just read the seven pages of this post. It is amazing when someone who seems eager to learn and comes to YT for information and advice is judged so quickly and IMO extremely rudely. When are people supposed to become breeders. I don't believe anyone is born knowing everything - we all have to learn. Would it have been better for the OP to become one of the MANY backyard puppy mills. The OP obviously has a beautiful girl who is a very safe size to be bred. Being in Spain, with the language difference she/he comes here like many of us to gain information. Why should the OP give up the dream because of one or two people on YT have decided, in their pointed opinion that one should not breed? I raised Bengal cats for years without any close help but I had a phone and called my mentor who lived in a different country. I was very proud of my registered cattery, spent a fortune ensuring my cats/kittens were healthy and I did it for the love of my cats and ALWAYS found loving homes. If you spent anytime reading the original letter, the questions being asked are all good questions. The OP will have a vet close by and is asking about vitamins and food to help her female as much as possible. And I'm very sorry to hear that one is not supposed to enjoy the breeding process?? It truly is one of the most wonderful things to experience. No, I'm not suggesting this for most, but for those who have access to proper care, what give one person more rights over another. After reading the one poster that is the most negative, are you having a really bad day or is this your usual nature?? The OP will probably breed the female, so, are you really offering any help or just looking for an argument?? To the OP, I hope you learn a lot, and if you do breed your female, I wish you all of the best. You sound like you have great intentions and I hope you take the advice from the many people who truly want to help you and just ignore the rest!

09-06-2011, 05:08 AM	#102
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	My advise for what it is worth... You have a nice bitch from good lines..you can use a nice stud from good lines...you mentioned you can have the vet come to your home in case of a problem.. Read, learn everything you can...breed her and best wishes... You are welcome to email me with any questions... Primyork@aol.com

09-06-2011, 07:17 AM	#105
Baby Teddy YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: New York, NY Posts: 648	She is beautiful!!! Love her coloring! __________________ Nichole & Teddy & newest addition Piper "My little dogs - a heartbeat at my feet"