First Time Breeding. Advice And Help Needed

[Foster Mom]

Loves PandP

I do not want to start a fight or argument and I do respect what you say, however I do have one question:

How does one ever get to be a "great breeder" if they are never allowed to start breeding? As I said in an earlier post even the great breeders at one time found themselves in the OP's position, wanting to start breeding and had some questions. If they all got told not to breed and leave it to respectable breeders, no one would have ever become a breeder.

Again I do not mean to offend or anything, I just needed to ask that question. If I did inadvertantly offend you I am sorry.

To the original poster, your girl is gorgeous!!

[Jackbrooks]

Originally Posted by lovespandp

If you are willing to do the research and the homework then that is one thing, but the OP stated on another thread that she wants an online mentor. That is a red flag for me.

online mentor as in someone who could help me with questions to ask the breeder. i would never think that because i can talk to somone online means its ok to breed my girl and take care of the birth because i have somone on the internet. are you crazy¿¿

[Foster Mom]

OK I was understanding that however I assumed (and I know it is wrong to assume) that he/she was looking for a mentor, but that the mentor would be someone that would become a "helper" someone who the OP would get to know in person. I just thought maybe he/she was asking online because they thought an online group such as this would put them in touch with someone they could get to know and develop a relationship in person with.

[lovespandp]

I am over this.

[Jackbrooks]

Originally Posted by Foster Mom

OK I was understanding that however I assumed (and I know it is wrong to assume) that he/she was looking for a mentor, but that the mentor would be someone that would become a "helper" someone who the OP would get to know in person. I just thought maybe he/she was asking online because they thought an online group such as this would put them in touch with someone they could get to know and develop a relationship in person with.

you never offended me. x

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by ragincajun

And I'm sure every single OBGyn fresh out of med school REALLY knows what to expect when that baby begins to crown? I would doubt that. Nothing replaces hands on experience.

However, how does one garner experience? It's to do it. Typically, and highly suggested, with an experienced person there to supervise and backup...just in case. In your doctor's example I wouldn't want that fresh out of med school doctor anywhere near my wife. But if the weathered veteran doctor was there then I'd feel alot better.

So, in rereading this thread and his initial post...he was asking for advice (i.e. HELP). Help is NOT bashing someone. Help is giving them proper advice to help them out. In this case, it would be something to the effect of:

1. Get a mentor who is in the profession.
(This should be doable. He obviously knows a breeder already, and is using that breeder's male dog so that breeder has a vested interest.)
2. Work with the mentor in his breeding to see first hand what to do.
(Again, if it's a reputable breeder I assume they are willing to help in this way.)
3. Ensure the breeder/mentor can attend or be available at the birthing time.

Now, I know nothing about breeding and don't want to. However I know that we NEED breeders to bring the dogs we love into the world. And yes, shelters are great. All seven of my pets have come from shelters. However, it is extremely difficult to get a pure breed from one and certainly impossible to get one from a particular line that you own or want one from so suggesting a shelter in this regard is a waste of time because it has nothing to do with his question or what he is trying to accomplish.

Of course they don't. That's why they don't turn fresh OB-GYN's loose all by themselves. It takes years and years of supervised practice before an ob-gyn is allowed to do deliveries by themselves. An newbie, unsupervised breeder is just as dangerous as that fresh faced M.D. And while you would never allow a doctor whose got a whopping one or two deliveries under their belt at you, watching or helping with one or two whelpings isn't much different.

As for finding a mentor, this is from the OP's other post:

Hi thanks for replys. The breeder speaks only Spanish and my best friend who speaks fluent Spanish talks on my behalf for me. The stud dog is also from my breeder and is champion dog. The only problem is the fact he lives 5 hours drive away and would be very hard for me to keep going backwards and fourths every weekend for mentoring. Money is not an issue with my dam and I would not want to put her in a situation were her life is at great risk. Thats why I asked about getting her fully checked out.
Is there anyone on here willing to mentor me?

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/3655976-post11.html


The OP does not have someone who is readily available. The advice given by the experienced breeders on the other thread was to find someone who was close by so they could be hands on.

[Jackbrooks]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Of course they don't. That's why they don't turn fresh OB-GYN's loose all by themselves. It takes years and years of supervised practice before an ob-gyn is allowed to do deliveries by themselves. An newbie, unsupervised breeder is just as dangerous as that fresh faced M.D. And while you would never allow a doctor whose got a whopping one or two deliveries under their belt at you, watching or helping with one or two whelpings isn't much different.

As for finding a mentor, this is from the OP's other post:




http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/3655976-post11.html


The OP does not have someone who is readily available. The advice given by the experienced breeders on the other thread was to find someone who was close by so they could be hands on.

yes im would like somone on here to advise me on things that do not require a long jorney to ask.
my breeder is more than willing to help and also has refered me to a breeder closer by.

[lovespandp]

Originally Posted by Jackbrooks

yes im would like somone on here to advise me on things that do not require a long jorney to ask.
my breeder is more than willing to help and also has refered me to a breeder closer by.

If that was true you wouldn't need to come on here. The questions you asked would be for the 2 breeders you know. You make no sense, the stories you say don't add up.

[Rhetts_mama]

Part of being a mentor is being hands on. Is your breeder going to come sit with you while your little girl actually whelps? You need someone who can intervene immediately if there is a problem. 5 hours is far too long to wait for someone to get there. I'm not sure about the availability of emergency vets in Spain, but if they are available, would you feel comfortable knowing the signs of distress in your girl? Also, there are regional differences in vet care. What is the norm for things like xrays and whelping supplies and after care here may not be the same there. Is there a Yorkie Breed club in Spain? Have you tried to contact them? They might be able to point you in the direction of someone who is closer to you who is willing to help you, also.

[Teresa Ford]

Originally Posted by Foster Mom

Loves PandP

I do not want to start a fight or argument and I do respect what you say, however I do have one question:

How does one ever get to be a "great breeder" if they are never allowed to start breeding? As I said in an earlier post even the great breeders at one time found themselves in the OP's position, wanting to start breeding and had some questions. If they all got told not to breed and leave it to respectable breeders, no one would have ever become a breeder.

Again I do not mean to offend or anything, I just needed to ask that question. If I did inadvertantly offend you I am sorry.

To the original poster, your girl is gorgeous!!

Your post is reasonable, clam and hepful.
To the OP, My suggestion is: Find an experienced breeder, respected by other breeders, for your mentor. Ask questions and listen to the answers. Learn as much as you can.
Ignor the posts that are not helpful. Ignor the rude posts where the poster chants their own opinion over and over and slaps out questions like a bull whip ripping flesh. You do not owe us proof that you are qualified breeder to ask questions. IMO if we reply, it should be with respect and courtesy.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Teresa Ford

Your post is reasonable, clam and hepful.
To the OP, My suggestion is: Find an experienced breeder, respected by other breeders, for your mentor. Ask questions and listen to the answers. Learn as much as you can.
Ignor the posts that are not helpful. Ignor the rude posts where the poster chants their own opinion over and over and slaps out questions like a bull whip ripping flesh. You do not owe us proof that you are qualified breeder to ask questions. IMO if we reply, it should be with respect and courtesy.

Bravo Teresa!! Well said!!

To the OP...your girl is stunning. Good luck with your future breeding program.

[Micah my love]

Your girl is beautiful

[TwoforFun]

All breeders start from somewhere. Please don't rush and learn everything before you even consider breeding her. A mentor will be great to answer any question. Find reputable breederS in your area and follow them to shows. Ask to be there for births and soak as much info you can. I think is wonderful you want to start your on line.

I know it might be different in Spain but the main principles apply. I wish you all the luck in world. And take it slow.

[Coton Momma]

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It will help you make the decision if breeding is something you even want to do. It is a HUGE responsibility, a lot of work, expensive and can be a lot of heartbreak. I agree with looking for a breed club/kennel club in your area. And contact the show supervisor in your area and get on the list to be informed of every show that is even close to you. Then start hitting the shows. I have a good friend that shows all over Europe so I know there are a lot of them. Go with your breeder if they will let you. Start keeping a notebook on what lines seem strong to standard and why. As it is hard to watch your dog and the ring at the same time I would take a small crate. Even if you decide that breeding is not for you, you will learn a lot and enjoy the time you spend.

[cj125]

Originally Posted by Jackbrooks

i wouldnt breed a 4lbs yorkie either! not the breed standard.
she is the daughter of RIGHT ON TARGET

Your girl is beautiful! Is her sire CH Estugo's Right on Target?