Excellent Breeder in Ohio?

[Jennxling]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

I'm sorry, but the fact that you call yourself a hobby breeder raises red flags for me. As a breeder, you should know better than to do anything without a contract.

If she opted to not register any of the pups, then there is nothing you can do to force her to do it. Even if she does have them registered, there is nothing you can do to force her to sell on an open registration.

I would also question the breeding stock of anyone who is willing to let dogs go for $500.00. You can be assured that she's cut corners in her breeding program, so why would you want to take the chance of adding that to your stock?

BTW, people pay $500 dollars for paperless dogs every day. Those people are called pet owners.

I'm sorry, but I feel from your posts that you feel entitled to have him on open registration because you "saved" him. As for his vet bills, that's what you get when you take on a dog. Any vet bills become your responsibility without a specific contract, and even then, only for certain conditions. Per your own posts, you said the agreement was for her to sell the dog and give you $500 or you could keep the dog. In no way does that imply a promise of an open registration.

He should NOT be bred, please neuter him and just enjoy him as a pet. He barely survived and you're planning on breeding him??

Originally Posted by butterfly

Or perhaps the other way around. How can she prove it IS her dog, if she goes that far? There was nothing signed, etc. I know it may not be so honest, but the breeder isn't either, and I, at this point would NOT give this dog up or pay a penny. I would say, "Hey, what are you talking about....this is a pup from my own dogs.!! I owe you NOTHING!! Go to court? I don't think so, over something like this...she is not going to want her name tarnished or court costs. There is nothing on paper. As far as it looks anyway, she GAVE the dog to you. If it ever did come to court, it would be thrown out. I think you could make her give you money if it came down to that. She sold the others for $500. and you paid significantly more saving his life! Just my thoughts. She doesn't have a leg to stand on.

This doesn't make sense...if the OP decides to keep the dog, the breeder isn't asking for anything. It's because the OP wants papers that led the breeder (more like a greeder!) to pull what she's pulling. Going to court won't make a difference, she's not asking money for the dog, but for his papers. Again, I'd suggest that the OP neuter him when he gets old enough and enjoy him as a pet.

[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by animallover2011

lisa- the mother would not care for him, the other puppys were bigger.
Micah- I asked her what it would take for his papers she said 1800. which i feel that is very unfair when i saved his life

$1800? His parents must both be grand Champions.

Buy the breeder first, then the pup. Sorry she is screwing you and you are not even in bed to enjoy it.

[Jennxling]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

$1800? His parents must both be grand Champions.

Buy the breeder first, then the pup. Sorry she is screwing you and you are not even in bed to enjoy it.

[animallover2011]

HE HAS NO HEALTH PROBLEMS!!! HE WAS THE RUNT OF THE LITTLER!!! My veterinary has checked him all over and he has had all genetics testing completed . He is in GREAT HEALTH. How many of you are professional veterinaries that are saying don’t breed him ? I just don’t think you understand what I meant by “sick”. I took care of him as such his mother would I bottle fed him, ect. I agree im being royally screwed!

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

$1800? His parents must both be grand Champions.

Buy the breeder first, then the pup. Sorry she is screwing you and you are not even in bed to enjoy it.

I think the only one getting screwed here is a young puppy who's too young to even have it determined whether or not he is breed worthy.

Originally Posted by animallover2011

HE HAS NO HEALTH PROBLEMS!!! HE WAS THE RUNT OF THE LITTLER!!! My veterinary has checked him all over and he has had all genetics testing completed . He is in GREAT HEALTH. How many of you are professional veterinaries that are saying don’t breed him ? I just don’t think you understand what I meant by “sick”. I took care of him as such his mother would I bottle fed him, ect. I agree im being royally screwed!

I think we understand you perfectly. You are po'd because you want breeding rights to a dog you didn't buy. You think because you took care of the dog, it should, by all rights be yours to do with as you please. But what this comes down to is that there is NO requirement that the original breeder register the dog. And if she did, there is ZERO requirement that she give you an open registration. Just because you WANT it and think you've more than paid for the right to it doesn't necessarily make it so. There is no case law for your lawyer to go after saying that she has to do it.


Bottom line, you can pitch a fit, but no breeder is required to give you an open registration. I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the reason you've chosen to come to YT with this is to try and leverage some public opinion against the breeder in hopes that she'll cave and give you what you want.

[Rhetts_mama]

From the AKC:

Dogs Sold Without Papers

The buyer of an AKC-registrable dog should obtain the dog's AKC papers from the seller at the same time the dog is purchased. If a dog is delivered or sold with the understanding that AKC papers will not be furnished, the buyer should sign a statement agreeing to this condition. This agreement should be kept in the seller's records.

If a person acquires a dog without papers, with the explicit understanding that papers will be furnished for payment of an additional amount of money, the buyer has, in effect, forfeited any rights to the papers. If at some later date the buyer wants papers, the AKC can only advise going back to the seller to resolve the matter.

And...

The decision as to whether or not a dog will be registered with limited registration is left solely to the litter owner(s). Limited registration is a tool with which the litter owner(s) can protect their breeding program. We would strongly recommend that if a dog is being sold with limited registration that the litter owner(s) make this condition clear to the potential dog buyer(s) so that there is no confusion about the terms under which the dog was purchased. If breeders provide a written bill of sale in addition to the registration application form, we would urge that the bill of sale include the fact that the dog is being sold with limited registration and that the buyer acknowledges in writing that the dog is being accepted with that condition.

As I stated in a previous post, it shocks me that someone who fancies themselves a hobby breeder would undertake a situation like this without having everything in writing to avoid a he said/she said situation down the line.

[animallover2011]

Rhetts mama -when you become a veterinary then you can determine all of that until then id appreciate if you did not post on my threads anymore. Thanks!

Her name is already on this website with a bad reputation, thats how i found it in the first place. she is located in ohio and I'm sure you have all heard of her before. Shes a Greeder instead of a breeder like others have said. All of her dogs are kept in a small building behind her house and are not well groomed, or socialized . I had NO KNOWLEDGE of all of this until I took the puppy from her.I felt sorry him not this backyard breeder

[animallover2011]

AKC states in their letter to me I DID NOT SIGN OFF, SHE LEGALLY HAS TO GIVE ME HIS PAPERS

[Rhetts_mama]

Only if she has papers on him. She was not under ANY obligation to register him. And once again if he is registered, she's under NO obligation to give you breeding rights to him.

I'm sorry that's such a difficult concept for you to understand.

Hobby breeder my patootie. More like BYB.

The word is veterinarian, not veterinary, BTW.

One has to question the ethics of someone who would want to breed a dog that they state came from such bad conditions...oh yes, that's right a BYB wouldn't care.

[animallover2011]

Rhetts mama -I have kindly asked you to stop posting on my threads, I have now reported you for being rude, I am not going to argue with someone of such little knowledge of this situation anymore.

[Rhetts_mama]

I think you've also missed the fact that this is a public board. As such, anyone can post on any thread. If my posts bother you that much, I suggest you go to the control panel and put me on your "ignore list". It won't bother me in the least.

[Taryn0405]

Sat on my hands...Ahh f*** it..

It doesn't take a genius to see that your baby has come from someone that's obviously a crappy breeder. So, why would you risk breeding him if he possbily has a shakey past? I mean, what "decent" breeder would randomly give someone a 3 week old puppy to take care of?? This story has way too many holes in it, but anywho...

So, this is where common sense should kick in. Now, I'm not "veterinary" as you say, however it's common knowledge if you have no idea where your stud came from and you want to "take pride" in your line and even consierder yourself reputible, why would you even gamble on breeding a pup who came from such a shady past..

By the way, if you saw on here that she was a bad breeder by our YT standards, why did you go to her?

On that note, if you are attempting to be a BYB which is kind of seems, you know one BYB getting screwed by another BYB oh the irony. There is a women in Jackson, MI that I'm sure can tell you how to attempt to fraud AKC registration.

[McheleM]

Sorry OP-15 posts
Rhett's Mama -4064 posts.

Yep, I'm going with Rhetts mama if I need advice.

Heck at this point Mickey mouse can give me better breeding advice.

[shodanusmc]

Do not hold back, tell her what you really think! I happen to agree with you and Rhett 110%

[DvlshAngel985]

OP, you're a breeder right? When you register a litter, do you get to decide whether or not the pups your selling can have open registration?

If you decide that the registered pup is going to go on limited registration, can an owner overturn this decision?
It sounds to me that if you do win, and the breeder is forced to give you his registration papers, she still has the right to deny you open registration. Is that correct?

I've been wondering, and I'm sorry if you already answered this question, how old is the pup now?

I feel so bad for this pup. It sounds like the original breeder threw him away at 3 weeks because he wasn't good enough.