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[My lil friend]

[QUOTE=babiegurl;3584186]Hello! Agreed and I dont think comparing children to dogs (no matter how we love and adore them) is the same!

Im actually not upset with anyone. But if someone asks "Why I think that I should take my dogs in a public place" then that was directed at me.

As for children. No they should never be left in a car or at home,they should be taught to not scream at all. I have six children and no they are no perfect,but noone EVER screamed in a public place or at home. I believe that both are precious. If I had a child that even thought about acting up in public we left the place and had a chat in private (not spanking). Even my 1 and 2 yr olds didnt throw tantrums at home or in public,so it is possible to teach them to not.

If the policy has changed at a store,all she had to do was walk over to me or even call me to the desk where she was and politely tell me that dogs were nolonger allowed in the store. This is not even close to what happened. As for justice,no, if I am not happy with a store I just dont shop there anymore. Hence the reason that I do not set foot in Walmart. I dont like screaming kids,because I know that a parent can teach a child to not or at the least not subject others to their child and take them out.

[My lil friend]

The OP is done posting. Those that wish to continue can. Those that wish to write BB about a rude manager or their store policy can. The OP will simply do what is right for he household and as my DH says will read more and post less.
I hope that everyone has a safe and joyful 4th.

[Britster]

I don't see a reason to "post less, read more"... it's a public forum, where people are supposed to express opinions, feelings, etc. That's what it is for. Not everyone is always going to agree, that is the beauty of it. This has been a super civilized thread where everyone is agreeing with you that you have a valid complaint with a manager acting rudely to you. That's horrible customer service. We're simply having a discussion of dogs vs. children or dogs in public stores because that's the basis of where this thread was formed (and you brought up the kid comparison).

I wouldn't be so quick to judge a tantrum-throwing child. Yes, many children may never have one, and if yours haven't - props to you! I have a hard time believing a 1 and a 2 year old *NEVER* throw a tantrum, ever, but if they haven't, that's awesome! But ya know what, kids will act up sometimes, it's just something that happens, no matter how great of a parent you are! And you NEVER know the circumstances. I have a friend who has a son with asperger's syndrom, a mild form of autism. He looks perfectly healthy and normal but on occasion, yes, he WILL throw a terrible temper tantrum. It's not fun for his mother, and it doesn't help to get glares while trying to control her child. It's not like she stays in there and lets him scream, but ya know, her child deserves to go out in public, too. I just am never quick to judge such situations.

Fact of the matter is.... humans, including children, have more rights than dogs. It's just how it is. So I don't stress myself out over places not allowing them. Sure, it'd be nice to bring Jackson everywhere, I would absolutely love it, but if I can't, that's okay too.

[babiegurl]

I wish I could take Zoey to target! They have a pretty good selection of doggie products such as cute bedding and stuff!

[bWY39]

Originally Posted by Ashley V

The OP was the one who brought children into this, not others. I replied in my response about children to basically say what you said about children and dogs being two different things. And there is no reason for the thread to get out of control. Everyone is stating their opinions nicely and I don't see why anyone should get huffy about it.

Totally agree.....we all have our own opinions all I am saying is lets keep the thread on track and not blow it out of all proportion. I did post about training and I have to say that in my own experience BB do not train staff they recruit young people and expect them to do the job with little or no training. That is my own experience of BB in UK. Anyway the OP has now abandoned the thread so I will now do the same as a fruitful discussion is no longer possible.

[chachi]

Oh I see I didnt get from your original post that they were rude or mean to you i dont agree with that they should have just politely told you that dogs arent allowed. My rant earlier was more with people who feel they are entitled to be able to take their dog in public places and the business is terrible because they tell them they will not allow the dog in

[chestermama]

I have taken chester in to hollywood video all the time before it closed, I just packed him in and they said nothing, that is bs thats for sure, I would not be going back if it was me thats for sure

[Rhetts_mama]

Why does everyone feel the need to moderate what someone else says? There is no need for reminders about keeping things on track, I thought everyone was doing a good job of discussing things with varying view points.

I'd love to be able to take my pups more places, but I can understand why it may not be appropriate in some places or cases. And since we are on the subject, I don't have a problem with a crying kid. I've been there, done that and know that being annoyed by it doesn't help the situation. Some times, a little sympathy toward the parent goes a long way to defusing things. No one goes out in public HOPING their kid will have a major meltdown. Chances are, they are embarrassed and frustrated about the situation.

[Dolcesmama_xoxo]

Originally Posted by My lil friend

My complaint is that if the rules had been changed and obviously they have sense the sticker on the window was new. Yelling at me infront of other people was not a good way to handle the problem. My dog has been welcome in that particular store for years. As for taking my dogs into public, they cause less of a rucus than a screaming child that isnt being attended to. As for the asthma/allergy question,I am asthmatic and have been all of my life and have a whole host of allergies. I find that yorkies and a few other small breed dogs do not bother my allergies or asthma.
I happen to think that taking a SCREAMING child into a store and not removing them is putting your needs over others,noone says anything about that. I have seen children take fruit and candy at a store and just eat it or only half of it and put it back,I find this offensive.
I do not allow strangers to pet my dog nor did I allow stangers to hold or touch my small children.
My intent is and was NEVER to put a company out of business but to let them know that there are people out there that dont appreciate rude employees that have risen to the status of manager. You were not there to see the smirk on her face when she was yelling at me from across the store,nor were you there when her own employee gave me the district managers information because they even thought that the store manager was rude and is apparently this way to everyone,nor were you there when the store FULL of people thought that the dogs should stay.
I also stated that if you were "so inclinded" to write BB and tell them how you feel about a small dog being in a store. If you do not agree then you are more than welcome to write them and tell them so. I did not ask for anyone to come on the forum and rant at me personally. I will do what I feel is right for the situation and you are welcome to do the same.

I agree with you 100%. First of all, Yorkies are one of the known breeds to have hair, not fur, therefore making them ALMOST hypoallergenic. So MOST people that do have pet allergies, are not affected by this breed. Second, I found that a lot of places were telling me that I could not bring Dolce into some stores even when I had her in a carrier in some places. So, I took it upon myself to look up the laws about service dogs and actually MADE Dolce a service dog for myself. I have really bad anxiety/stress and having her next to me, or holding her, calms me down and stops me from having an anxiety attack. I don't know if the laws are different from state to state, but here, there is no testing or anything you have to go through to call your dog a service dog. There is a list of "tasks" that a dog can perform to be called a service dog. I believe it said if your dog performs at least 3 of them you can call them a service dog per the ADA. So I made sure Dolce could perform 3 of those tasks and now, LEGALLY, i can take her anywhere I want. Thirdly, one of the reasons I DO take her into every place that I go, especially in the summer months, is because I live in Arizona and our summers here get SUPER hot. It has been in the 110s all this week and there is NO way I am going to leave her tied up somewhere outside or even leave her in the car with my fiance ( I wouldn't even leave my fiance in the car in this summer heat! even with a/c!) Plus, I don't trust people here not to steal her if I had to leave her tied up outside a place. Dolce is the most well-behaved dog I have EVER owned. She rarely barks, and never while we are out. She just sits in my arms quietly, occasionally looking around and people watching. I have only had 1 person say anything to me about her being somewhere (at bingo)(yes i take her to bingo at times lol) after knowing she is a service dog. But after I showed him her service dog ID card and he read the laws on the back of the card he backed off. Also, legally, you do NOT have to show them the ID card and they CAN'T ask you to see it. You can voluntarily show it to them if you want to. So, I dont see any harm in taking your furbabies places as long as they are well-behaved!

[My lil friend]

To Dolcesmama,,that is a very interesting idea.

[babiegurl]

Thats interesting. What tasks can your do that qualifies for a service dog? According to the ADA, there is a distinct difference between a service/assistance dog and a therapy dog. Only service dogs are allowed into public places. Therapy dogs would not qualify and must be invited in.....

Originally Posted by Dolcesmama_xoxo

I agree with you 100%. First of all, Yorkies are one of the known breeds to have hair, not fur, therefore making them ALMOST hypoallergenic. So MOST people that do have pet allergies, are not affected by this breed. Second, I found that a lot of places were telling me that I could not bring Dolce into some stores even when I had her in a carrier in some places. So, I took it upon myself to look up the laws about service dogs and actually MADE Dolce a service dog for myself. I have really bad anxiety/stress and having her next to me, or holding her, calms me down and stops me from having an anxiety attack. I don't know if the laws are different from state to state, but here, there is no testing or anything you have to go through to call your dog a service dog. There is a list of "tasks" that a dog can perform to be called a service dog. I believe it said if your dog performs at least 3 of them you can call them a service dog per the ADA. So I made sure Dolce could perform 3 of those tasks and now, LEGALLY, i can take her anywhere I want. Thirdly, one of the reasons I DO take her into every place that I go, especially in the summer months, is because I live in Arizona and our summers here get SUPER hot. It has been in the 110s all this week and there is NO way I am going to leave her tied up somewhere outside or even leave her in the car with my fiance ( I wouldn't even leave my fiance in the car in this summer heat! even with a/c!) Plus, I don't trust people here not to steal her if I had to leave her tied up outside a place. Dolce is the most well-behaved dog I have EVER owned. She rarely barks, and never while we are out. She just sits in my arms quietly, occasionally looking around and people watching. I have only had 1 person say anything to me about her being somewhere (at bingo)(yes i take her to bingo at times lol) after knowing she is a service dog. But after I showed him her service dog ID card and he read the laws on the back of the card he backed off. Also, legally, you do NOT have to show them the ID card and they CAN'T ask you to see it. You can voluntarily show it to them

want to. So, I dont see any harm in taking your furbabies places as long as they are well-behaved!

[babiegurl]

I hope no one would truly abuse this "loophole" solely for the benefit of just having their furbaby accompany them where ever they want to go. SMH....

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by My lil friend

The OP is done posting. Those that wish to continue can. Those that wish to write BB about a rude manager or their store policy can. The OP will simply do what is right for he household and as my DH says will read more and post less.
I hope that everyone has a safe and joyful 4th.

I totally understand both sides to allow them in or not to-dogs with dander make me sneeze and my eyes itchy-loverly most assistance dogs are of breed with the qualities not to mention big and shedding...just sayin') anyhow I get the frustration in the 'rules changing up' like I said Target changed their policy to be in compliance with CA law it was the circumstances and attitude that ticked me too...oh and tell DH to be more supportive or he'll just be H! LOL

[gracielove]

I think it is possible that irresponsible pet owners may ruin things for people who actually behave well with their animals in public. Maybe there are people bringing larger animals in or dogs that are not well behaved. I would rather have people bring their dogs inside then leave them in the car, but that is just me. Some people just hate animals and will complain no matter what.
In our area it is almost impossible for renters to find places to live that allow pets because of irresponsible pet owners that have let their pets ruin carpeting and walls. There will always be those who ruin a good thing for everyone else.

[Dolcesmama_xoxo]

2. Q: What is a service animal?

A: The ADA defines a service animal as any guide dog, signal dog, or other animal individually trained to provide assistance to an individual with a disability. If they meet this definition, animals are considered service animals under the ADA regardless of whether they have been licensed or certified by a state or local government.



I am not in any way trying to find a "loophole" for the ADA. I have a disability which does not allow me to go places with crowds of people. Im not talking crowds like at a concert. Im talking crowds like at the grocery store. Like I stated before, I have anxiety/panic disorder to a degree where if I'm in "crowds" of people I hyperventilate and my hands cramp up where I can't even get to my medication in my purse. I have trained Dolce to get my medication which is in a pouch that she can grab for me. She is also the only thing that can calm me down enough while I wait for my medication to kick in. Anyway, I was only letting the poster know about these laws because I didn't even know about them myself until I started researching about them when my illness started to spiral out of control recently. I don't know anything about the poster other than they have a yorkie. They, and possible other people that post her on YT, might find the information useful if they are like me in any way. I'm in no way asking people to look for a loophole or break the law. I'm sorry that people took it that way. I didn't think I would need to explain myself and my situation to people, because I didnt think people would judge. Like I said before, the service dog would need to perform 3 tasks that you can look up a list for, and if the dog doesn't perform those tasks (which all have to do with helping a disabled person) then they don't qualify. *sigh* anyway, now i regret ever posting on this thread because it has just become a headache for me. I was just trying to explain some useful information for any people that it would benefit.