I can't do it!

[capt_noonie]

btw, we still haven't been told what the "awesome" health guarantee is.

[Foster Mom]

@ Capt Noonie

Yes I agree, when I got Pixies Canadian Kennel Club papers I saw that she was only 4 1/2 weeks old when i bought her. I was told she was 12 weeks old, my little boy was 3/4 of a pound when i got him and he was 12 weeks old, pixie was over 1 1/2 pounds when i saw her and so i had no reason to doubt her age when they told me she was 12 weeks old, until I got her papers. Her contract stated i was to pay 3000.00 for her, plus they got pick of the litter from any litters she had and they got "free" stud service from my male. Pretty hefty price I think. Well I was also told she would be about 5-6 pounds full grown and when he weight kept creeping up i asked her breeder about this and all she said was "Well do you want to trade her for another dog?" I said No, I love this one and i do not care if she ends up being 30 pounds. Like I could just trade her because she was a little bigger than I expected (by this time she was 10 months old). They brought me a girl to breed with my male and later they said she only had 1 puppy so my male must be sterile...I asked her if she had lost her mind, Obviously if she had a baby and Pixie had babies he was far from sterile. Then about 2 months later they brought a little girl to me to be bred by my male, it was Pixies sister and littermate and the spitting image of Pixie but she was very tiny, 3 pounds. Other than that they could have been twins. I flat out said there is no way i am going to be responsible for having this little girl bred she is far to tiny, they said no she will be fine just do it, it is in your contract. I told them to take me to court because I was not going to be the one responsible for her getting pregnant. By this time i was getting a little more wise to puppy mills, and greeders and generally unscrupulous people that bred these little guys so i told her she would never again get another stud service from my male, I did not care what the contract said. With Pixie's litter she told me she got pick of the litter as per my contract....I lied to her and told her all 3 babies had passed away, i just could not put a puppy into her hands. After i had Pixie spayed and told her she would not be using my male for stud I never ever heard from her again, which was more than fine by me.....

[Twitterpate]

@ FosterMom

Bravo for you! I will admit that I would have also told her exactly where she could put her contract in exacting and fine detail!

[capt_noonie]

and if there ever is a problem and the owner doesn't want to go to the vet for advice, who is here to give it, yes the "bullies"

ETA: this post not in response to the above, that just wouldn't make any sense.

[Jennxling]

Originally Posted by Foster Mom

@ Capt Noonie

Yes I agree, when I got Pixies Canadian Kennel Club papers I saw that she was only 4 1/2 weeks old when i bought her. I was told she was 12 weeks old, my little boy was 3/4 of a pound when i got him and he was 12 weeks old, pixie was over 1 1/2 pounds when i saw her and so i had no reason to doubt her age when they told me she was 12 weeks old, until I got her papers. Her contract stated i was to pay 3000.00 for her, plus they got pick of the litter from any litters she had and they got "free" stud service from my male. Pretty hefty price I think. Well I was also told she would be about 5-6 pounds full grown and when he weight kept creeping up i asked her breeder about this and all she said was "Well do you want to trade her for another dog?" I said No, I love this one and i do not care if she ends up being 30 pounds. Like I could just trade her because she was a little bigger than I expected (by this time she was 10 months old). They brought me a girl to breed with my male and later they said she only had 1 puppy so my male must be sterile...I asked her if she had lost her mind, Obviously if she had a baby and Pixie had babies he was far from sterile. Then about 2 months later they brought a little girl to me to be bred by my male, it was Pixies sister and littermate and the spitting image of Pixie but she was very tiny, 3 pounds. Other than that they could have been twins. I flat out said there is no way i am going to be responsible for having this little girl bred she is far to tiny, they said no she will be fine just do it, it is in your contract. I told them to take me to court because I was not going to be the one responsible for her getting pregnant. By this time i was getting a little more wise to puppy mills, and greeders and generally unscrupulous people that bred these little guys so i told her she would never again get another stud service from my male, I did not care what the contract said. With Pixie's litter she told me she got pick of the litter as per my contract....I lied to her and told her all 3 babies had passed away, i just could not put a puppy into her hands. After i had Pixie spayed and told her she would not be using my male for stud I never ever heard from her again, which was more than fine by me.....

WOW, I can't believe there are people like that!! I would have definitely done the SAME thing you did. I'm glad that you never heard from her again. Unfortunately, there are still going to be many that will fall victim to her. UGH what a HORRIBLE person. I've never heard of this before, but warned by some breeders as I'm currently looking for a pup. No worries, I will read the contract and won't fall victim to a greeder like that. I have heard of a lady that have a yorkie as her service dog and the "breeder" gave him to her, but she has to stud him to her.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

btw, we still haven't been told what the "awesome" health guarantee is.

True all we can hope is it has some legs to it. But I feel that the OP has had lots of great opinions and advice, and he is going into this purchase with his eyes wide open.

Best of luck to him and his new puppy, may life be good to both and may they have many happy and healthy years together.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by Baroness

I never said anyone would say I told you so. I never said no one would show support. All I was saying is that when things get heated and passionate it makes people uncomfortable. It is one thing to give your advice or experience, quite another when the content gets heated and passionate against what the OP's choice is.

Did I say that you did? No. I was responding to your comment that you don't think there is a litmus test in the buying and caring for dogs and I disagree with you. The litmus test starts with being a knowledgeable buyer and ends with selfless ownership and advocacy for the dog. I would rather help to educate someone than to have to be their shoulder to cry on later.

[Taryn0405]

Wow, just got done reading this whole thread... Despite the headace, I'm going to also state my opinion since I have a puppy from a Puppymill/BYB.

To well, the OP and whoever else can reference this for the better-
The advice provided on this forum are opinions that are given from personal exerience. It's not to be taken as "attacking" or even personal for that matter. However, it's like when people ask me "Oh, is your boy a teacup Yorkie?" In other words, if more research would have been done (and I don't even mean on this site, but from breed magazines, books, etricles etc.) The stories of like this one regarding a bad breeder, or possible puppy mill wouldn't be so frequent and frustrating.
With that being said, there is in fact a check list so to speak that you need to do for a good breeder. Trust me I know how easy it is to get wrapped up in the puppy buying process. I too justified getting Gizmo with "Oh I saved a dog from that situation." But like LadyJane said, there was a little girl or boy in a shelter that I too could have purchased and saved. Does this make me a bad person for buying Gizmo? Absolutely not, but I'm not going to make excuses for where I got him from or for why I did it. I had a weak moment, and hopefully (medically and emotionally) I won't regret it in the long run.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is, take what people are saying on this forum and run with it. Don't make excuses, don't get offended. It is what it is, and you bought a dog from a BYB or shady breeder, that's it.

And in the future you can do what 107Barney said, and do your litmus test in regards to a breeder. Know where your baby is coming from. Take the same precautions as you would if you were getting a skin kid.

With that being said, I'm just going to state that people have a tendency to be overtly sensative with regards to this forum. It's really hard to have "tones" with black and white typing. But, that's the beauty of one-way communication. This site is for researching, take it for what it is so stories like this and "teacup yorkie" can be minimal.

[111lily222]

Originally Posted by 107barney

As a person who has spent nearly tens of thousands of dollars on health issues on my poorly bred yorkie, I will state my opinion.

There is a litmus test, and it starts with the breeder. What does the breeder do in his/her breeding program to reduce the incidence of poor health? What are her starting mating dogs? What does the breeder feed, what does the breeder do to socialize the dogs, where do they live? These important factors shape the entire rest of a dog's life and some things cannot be corrected. There is also a litmus test when it comes to caring and loving an animal. What will the owner do when the dog is sick? Will the owner seek out and pay for veterinary care or will the owner cast the dog aside to rescue to become someone else's problem?

One of the greatest things about yorkietalk is the sharing of information and the support. Much kindness and support is shown to new members here and to old members alike. No one is putting anyone under a microscope -- there is a giving of information that occurs. At the end of the day, people are free to make their own choices. No one judges them for it and almost everyone here will wish them well AND be there again if the house of cards comes crashing down. There is no "I told you so" that happens here - just support.

Great post totally agree!

[Ringo1]

No matter what the OP decides (and I think he already has his heart set on this puppy) the YT forum will be here for him - even IF he goes against the advice given.

That's just how it works here. And we do understand that once you have seen or held the puppy - it's HARD to walk away.

I got many words of advice about my purchase of Lucy and I chose to ignore them. AND I ended up with a sweet little dog with a lot of health problems. $$$$$$

But no one on here ever said 'I told you so" or ever refused to listen or help.

So there you go. The advice is there - use it or no - but when you need help with the new puppy - the experienced folks on YT will be here to help.

[YorkDaddy]

Originally Posted by gemy

True all we can hope is it has some legs to it. But I feel that the OP has had lots of great opinions and advice, and he is going into this purchase with his eyes wide open.

Best of luck to him and his new puppy, may life be good to both and may they have many happy and healthy years together.

Hey you! Thank you for the well wishes and all the support! You are a true gem!

[n2cm]

I hope all goes well with your new furbaby! I wish you the best.

[YorkDaddy]

Originally Posted by n2cm

I hope all goes well with your new furbaby! I wish you the best.

Thank you!!
We just setup the playpen and we are so ready! Technically there was no point in doing that since we will be moving before we pick him up. We are calling it a trial run. LOL!

We are going through withdrawals....every visit gets harder and harder!

30 more days, 30 more days, 30 more days!!!

[Connie]

Best wishes to you and your new baby. I hope the 30 days flies by and you have that baby in your arms!

[YorkDaddy]

Thank you Connie! You and I both!!! lol