Afraid to post but need to...

[chachi]

Originally Posted by dawn27

I believe that it is very possible for a Yorkie puppy to leave its mother at the age of 8 weeks old. If .... They have received all of the appropriate care and vaccinations required and has received a clean Health Check from the veterinarian.

There are however the exceptions. For those puppies who are very tiny. They of course need more time nursing with mamma and additional time to reach a appropriate weight before being released to the new family. I don't believe that any veterinarian would allow a breeder to release a pup who does not meet the criteria of what a Healthy puppy should be. Nor should a responsible breeder.

Only bybs release pups that young

[chachi]

Originally Posted by dawn27

OK sure...

So, let me get this straight...Are you trying to say that just because I am a breeder who places her puppies at 8 weeks makes my advise and opinion less worthy or creditable than a breeder who does not?

Are you a breeder?

You are the type of breeder we advise people to stay away from

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by EsmeeKimme

I am appreciative of all the posts and such I have gotten here. Only a couple hurt my feelings some but I know they came from a good place. Because of the advice here, he is staying longer than I had originally arranged for, she knows I want copies of all testing that has been done on him and his parents, vet release for him and proof of his first shots and such when I go to get him, of course she knows now he has to weigh at least 2 pounds that day and I know a lot of great advice to have on hand in case anything goes wrong.

I understand everyones passion, heart and wisdom that have gone into the responses so I am learning and paying attention to each of them.

So thank you all. As for home date, it will depend on when Riley is ready and I know he will have more chance of a great start cause of this thread and the advice given here. I can't walk away from him, I won't even apologize for that weakness. I would frankly rather deal with the loss of respect that I will get from a few you than undo my promise to him. It has been a couple weeks since I met him I think and yet I can still remember the way he felt in my hands and the look on his face. I was already bonded and I can't help that now.

That being said IF I ever consider myself able to have another yorkie, I will be going to a YT recommended breeder and make sure he/she is 12 wks and everything else I have learned here will be followed to the letter.

Your efforts have just giving extra insurance to your little one getting the best start possible! More importantly -- you may habe just "trained" the breeder into doing things the right way! She might have just learned a lot through your interactions. I hope she will start keeping her puppies until 12 weeks and 2 pounds as a matter of regular practice. You could well be responsible for a LOT of puppies getting a better start in life. Yay you!

[Baroness]

Don't be afraid to post, all of these people seem to be nice and inviting and fullllll of information. That's great for a new Yorkie mommy like me...Sometimes in life we have to do what in our heart seems right, this may be one of those times for you. Just hang on and enjoy the love you will get frm your baby. You sound like someone who cares a bunch and will do all that you can for him. Good luck!!

[FlDebra]

You can always find breeders who take puppies away from their mothers at 8 weeks of age. Usually these are the same breeders who think pre-mating testing is not necessary, don't ever have their dogs certified for problems of joints, eyes,heart, and liver, never bile acid test, who don't get their dam pre-natal check up with the vet, don't get xrays of the pups, who leave the pups to whelp on their own, who have NO CLUE about genetically matching a dam and sire, who don't care if they are breeding dogs with deviations from standards (things like poor toplines, poor bites, rounded ears, curly hair, etc) who will basically breed any two dogs that can make them some money.

For the breeders who put money first, it is important to get those puppies out of the house and money in the hand as quickly as they can. That way if anything goes wrong, it is on the new owners time.

I think we as a society have evolved a great deal in how we treat animals over the last century. Some throwbacks are still being practiced though. Modern EXPERT advice is to wait until a yorkie pup is 12 weeks before taking it from the mother. Sure it was done earlier than that in the past and many surived and some even well-adjusted. But the majority of new puppy problems also come from those early placements. I wish all breeders would come into the 21st century and understand we now do what is best for the pup not what is easiest on the wallet! Keep them until at least 12 weeks and 16 weeks so you can BAT test would be even better!

[FlDebra]

sorry -- duplicate posting fixed.

[dawn27]

Originally Posted by TexasKat08

Apparently, I struck a nerve. I guess I would just like to ask what your motivation is for breeding? Are you attempting to improve the breed? I won't apologize for believing that this is critical when making the decision to breed. This is MY opinion.

I would consider myself a dog fancier. Yes, I own a Yorkie, I study, I am involved with rescue. I enjoy attending AKC dog shows. I think you - and others that choose to ignore the basic guidelines of being a reputable breeder - should tread more carefully than us lay people. Advice is completely different than opinion.

I'm not trying to start controversy. And I have no interest in getting into a pissing match with anybody. I'm just answering your question. Again, agree to disagree.

No.. Because I know better!

Yes... I may be a bit lacking in the knowledge department. That is one of the reasons why I am here. But so many of you are ignorant in your opinions of me! I would never say such a thing to any of you. I did an enormous amount of research. But there is always more to be learn. I am finding that out...Some of you make it very hard to ask questions that myself or others need answered to. ("Afraid to post but need to..") I am getting a bit sick of some people jumping down my troughs over every little comment I make. They are seriously uninformed and do not know me well enough to form an opinion of me.

At least you took the time to look at my information. Thank you for that... The things that you pointed out are valid and I agree can use some work. They can be changed at any time. When I have more information and the answers I need.

But no madder what you or anyone else on here thinks of me, I know better. I am a good breeder because I thrive to learn and to become an even better one!

[yorkietalkjilly]

Just speaking as a Yorkie lover, I personally am terrified of trying to properly care for a just weeks-old, very tiny Yorkie puppy and would far rather my baby be with an experienced, reputable breeder during its first 12 - 16 weeks so it gets the best care and start in life possible. My last two Yorkies were brought home at 4 1/2 mos. and 9 mos. and I don't know how either of them could have been any brighter, more closely bonded to me, more socialized or intelligent than each turned out to be.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

You can always find breeders who take puppies away from their mothers at 8 weeks of age. Usually these are the same breeders who think pre-mating testing is not necessary, don't ever have their dogs certified for problems of joints, eyes,heart, and liver, never bile acid test, who don't get their dam pre-natal check up with the vet, don't get xrays of the pups, who leave the pups to whelp on their own, who have NO CLUE about genetically matching a dam and sire, who don't care if they are breeding dogs with deviations from standards (things like poor toplines, poor bites, rounded ears, curly hair, etc) who will basically breed any two dogs that can make them some money.

For the breeders who put money first, it is important to get those puppies out of the house and money in the hand as quickly as they can. That way if anything goes wrong, it is on the new owners time.

I think we as a society have evolved a great deal in how we treat animals over the last century. Some throwbacks are still being practiced though. Modern EXPERT advice is to wait until a Yorkie pup is 12 weeks before taking it from the mother. Sure it was done earlier than that in the past and many survived and some even well-adjusted. But the majority of new puppy problems also come from those early placements. I wish all breeders would come into the 21st century and understand we now do what is best for the pup not what is easiest on the wallet! Keep them until at least 12 weeks and 16 weeks so you can BAT test would be even better!

So well said. I wanted to add...despite what some people say in defense of "being a good breeder" and not doing in the least the things listed in the first paragraph here...
Actions speak louder than words...and proof on paper of those actions.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

So well said. I wanted to add...despite what some people say in defense of "being a good breeder" and not doing in the least the things listed in the first paragraph here...
Actions speak louder than words...and proof on paper of those actions.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

You can always find breeders who take puppies away from their mothers at 8 weeks of age. Usually these are the same breeders who think pre-mating testing is not necessary, don't ever have their dogs certified for problems of joints, eyes,heart, and liver, never bile acid test, who don't get their dam pre-natal check up with the vet, don't get xrays of the pups, who leave the pups to whelp on their own, who have NO CLUE about genetically matching a dam and sire, who don't care if they are breeding dogs with deviations from standards (things like poor toplines, poor bites, rounded ears, curly hair, etc) who will basically breed any two dogs that can make them some money.

For the breeders who put money first, it is important to get those puppies out of the house and money in the hand as quickly as they can. That way if anything goes wrong, it is on the new owners time.

I think we as a society have evolved a great deal in how we treat animals over the last century. Some throwbacks are still being practiced though. Modern EXPERT advice is to wait until a yorkie pup is 12 weeks before taking it from the mother. Sure it was done earlier than that in the past and many surived and some even well-adjusted. But the majority of new puppy problems also come from those early placements. I wish all breeders would come into the 21st century and understand we now do what is best for the pup not what is easiest on the wallet! Keep them until at least 12 weeks and 16 weeks so you can BAT test would be even better!

Once again, well said Debra.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

So well said. I wanted to add...despite what some people say in defense of "being a good breeder" and not doing in the least the things listed in the first paragraph here...
Actions speak louder than words...and proof on paper of those actions.

So many learn to talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. But what amazes me beyond all is that there are those that don't even talk the talk and those that will still buy from them; both doing so to save a buck$$$$. And at the expense of the dog.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

So many learn to talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. But what amazes me beyond all is that there are those that don't even talk the talk and those that will still buy from them; both doing so to save a buck$$$$. And at the expense of the dog.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by dawn27

No.. Because I know better!

Yes... I may be a bit lacking in the knowledge department. That is one of the reasons why I am here. But so many of you are ignorant in your opinions of me! I would never say such a thing to any of you. I did an enormous amount of research. But there is always more to be learn. I am finding that out...Some of you make it very hard to ask questions that myself or others need answered to. ("Afraid to post but need to..") I am getting a bit sick of some people jumping down my troughs over every little comment I make. They are seriously uninformed and do not know me well enough to form an opinion of me.

At least you took the time to look at my information. Thank you for that... The things that you pointed out are valid and I agree can use some work. They can be changed at any time. When I have more information and the answers I need.

But no madder what you or anyone else on here thinks of me, I know better. I am a good breeder because I thrive to learn and to become an even better one!

When you are on here advocating that it is fine for a pup to go to its new home at 8 weeks unless its a tiny people who know this is not what reputable breeders do are going to speak up. You will find on here that people are dog lovers have dogs best interest at heart and their opinions are going to reflect that. Im glad your open to learning. You can learn alot from the experienced breeders on here.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by chachi

When you are on here advocating that it is fine for a pup to go to its new home at 8 weeks unless its a tiny people who know this is not what reputable breeders do are going to speak up. You will find on here that people are dog lovers have dogs best interest at heart and their opinions are going to reflect that. Im glad your open to learning. You can learn a lot from the experienced breeders on here.

I was more concerned about the comments on ensuring and advocating in the misinformation it was okay to give s**ts at 6-7 weeks...misinformation stinks-but it's the nature of an open forum...nice to have enough people to clarify the truth and why such is wrong and adverse is better. people need to do a lot of research before getting a pup let alone breeding...

LOL watch now I'll get all my mistakes pointed out--oh well as long as correct informative, responsible care is spread...I'll take one for the team of right.many people make mistakes out of misinformation and not knowing better...hope they'd learn and correct it...I do...daily.

It's so hard for people to get correct information especially on an open forum if 10 people quote something negative or misinformation and one person is saying what's correct...what seems to be the truth to the uniformed person coming seeking advice...?