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Charlies Mamma · 03-10-2011, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlies Mamma

ok here is what I sent in my email to her I just couldnt stand it

I have to ask, why do you breed such tiny babies knowing that their health can suffer so. I have a regular sized yorkie and I did my research, Yorkies in general have a specific groups of health issues as you state on your site that an owner shoud know about and I am certain that had any of your babies had any one of these issues they would not make it. Is it for the money?? because i know that people who raise regular sized yorkies make money. If you really love these animals you would not put then in harms way as you are doing. I would also like to know how it is that you know these babies are going to a good home if you are flying them anywhere in the united states you cant possibly know the living conditions of people in other states or wherever you send them and I hate to tell you this but just because someone can send you $1800 does not guarantee a good home. It's a shame that money is more important to you than the babies are.

I doubt I hear from her but if I do Im sure she will be all huffy about it.

Well I have been checking my email all day and I have still not received any reply to my email to her last night. and believe me Im checking my SPAM folders and everything. I suspected she would not reply back. I cant even imagine the stress of owning such a small pup and she is turning them out like its no big deal. Just gets me riled up.

yorkietalkjilly · 03-10-2011, 10:59 AM

She probably gets email pretty frequently from outraged doglovers and just ignores it. I guess one would have to have pretty thick skin to do what some of those "teacup" breeders do.

Rhetts_mama · 03-10-2011, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ArmaniMan

And she even encourages you to bring your brand new tiny teacup puppy who fits in a doll purse home with you and have it sleep in your bed the first night... wonder how many broken legs her pups suffer.

That line scared the heck out of me. I gave in to Scarlett when she was well over 4 pounds, and it was still a long time before I felt comfortable that I wasn't going to roll over and squash her or have her fall between the mattress and head board. I can't imagine sleeping with one smaller than that.

Charlies Mamma · 05-30-2011, 10:14 AM

Im not sure if anyone is still following this thread but I finally got a reply to me email I sent to this lady.... unbelievable.

I just found this email, happened to go into my spam box, which is rare for interested buyers, realizing it was sent some time ago.

I'll have to say you are the first negative email, ever, including all my interested buyers and buyers. I am very proud of the fact I offer a 1-year health contract, none of which ever have been needed, and an outstanding record with vet checks. One reason, among many, I can attribute this phenomenal track record is that unlike traditional AKC breeders, who are striving to meet a 'look', I go above and beyond the AKC requirements. I believe 'line-breeding', which is 'in-breeding', is the major culprit yielding congenital defects. Because I strive to 'out-breed', I believe that is the most important factor in maintaining a no-flaw puppy record, among the misuse of immunizations, thus far. (I honestly expected some degree of disgruntled buyers or isolated problems, but seriously, nothing but accolades and referrals from everyone.)

I spend so much money on my dogs, buying them and caring for them, that I barely break even. The prices reflect the amount that goes into them. As far as the homes they go to, 'I' should be so lucky. These guys are picked up by chauffeurs, have nannies, have carriers in the thousands, have new vehicles purchased that 'go' with them, and the list goes on. They are babied beyond belief and I 'never' once have encountered buyers that were questionable, in the least. Some have been used in patient-rehabilitation and are the 'star' of the clinics and the doctors treat them as if they were there children. I wish all children could have it this good.

Unfortunately, many breeders are in this business for the money (although when one insists on the best of everything as I do, there is VERY little profit) and particularly teacups, and that is why I specifically state on my site that of all scams, dogs are one of the worst, and of all dogs, Yorkies are the worst for scamming, and of Yorkies, teacups are the worst for scamming. Breeding teacups require a knowledge of genealogy (as they are not runts), and I have spent thousands of hours researching and working with this subject, as well as immunizations (which vets do not even stock the ones I use - too expensive and have an incredible efficacy rate, as well.) With all my litters, I have only had '2' Caesarians performed, neither of which were due to puppy size, rather a tangled cord within the uterus. Both females and puppies did great, but I have a lower rate of incidence than average breeders.

I do warn people, on my site, that the majority of teacups are definitely not bred properly, nor cared for properly, and many of them are flat-out lies, and the buyer ends up very disappointed. It is my goal to make certain that every puppy and buyer are thoroughly happy, for years to come and so far -- so good. That is why I take an unbelievable amount of time with each buyer, each puppy and posting so much information on my site, in hopes to keep people aware of all the nasty pitfalls out there. It appears all my work thus far has paid off. I am a dedicated Christ follower and I treat my buyers with the utmost of respect, as I would want to be treated.

Thank you for your comments. Hopefully you'll feel a little less negative, at least towards me, as I can unequivocally state I have not had anyone ask to return a puppy, needed to enforce their legally-binding health guarantee, or even complained -- only positive comments and repeat business and referrals. As far as flying, I 'insist' that all my buyers use Continental, as they have special planes actually made with special areas to accommodate animals, unlike other airlines, accompanied with attendants that fly with the pets and follow instructions to a tee. I even had one pilot hold a plane on the tarmac for 2 hours (after it had been delayed a long time already due to a storm and connecting flight), insuring my teacup made the connection. I never have them fly longer than 3-5 hours, regardless of how far, and I usually am at the airport at 5:00 am, insuring they get on the shortest and most comfortable flight for them.

It is very important to me that you know how much I love my babies. They do NOT live in kennels. I am proud I am not a puppy mill and that all my parents and puppies get to live in a loving household that makes them feel loved and special. They have tons of clean beddings, infant toys, the MOST expensive of food, immunizations, best vets, and unfortunately, I do this because I have a passion for it, as I am constantly striving to make enough just to pay house payment, groceries and utilities. My x-husband violated court ordered child support, fled and never gave us/them anything. This business is demanding, but I do love it and just know I 'barely' make ends meet.

I agree with you that most teacup breeders (and many other breeders for that matter) get into breeding for the wrong reason - just to make money. God knows our hearts and I pity those who are cruel to animals. Initially, I was SO shocked to find this email, it was upsetting, as it 'is' the one-and-only, ever. I considered that perhaps I shouldn't spend time responding, but since it sincerely is 'the' only one I have ever received, I figure it would warrant the time. For some breeders, the email you sent me may have been warranted, but please know none of these charges apply to me.

Thank you for your concern for animals.

Karen
Karen's Teacups & Yorkies

BanditSocks2 · 05-30-2011, 10:29 AM

Her health guarantee is a joke too! She makes excuses for everything they could possibly have saying it's part of the 'teacup nature.' Grrr!!! We should all overwhelm her with emails

Charlies Mamma · 05-30-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BanditSocks2

Her health guarantee is a joke too! She makes excuses for everything they could possibly have saying it's part of the 'teacup nature.' Grrr!!! We should all overwhelm her with emails

I agree, and I bet Im not the only one to ever send negative feedback. they all go to SPAM and she throws them away by her own admittance

Taryn0405 · 05-30-2011, 10:45 AM

I love that she references genetics in her e-mail and that she believes it's only in-breeding that's causing all of the health problems with regards to the "teacup yorkie". That just screams sheer ignorance.

I would like to e-mail her back and say that genetics has nothing to do with your practices. What the truth is you want an accessory, not a pet. Whenever you are trying to "genetically" alter a standard, it literally becomes a Franken-puppy monster, with defects her little brain I'm sure cannot comprehend.

I also love on her website that she prides herself in never having any puppies with liver stunts and yet goes on to say that she refuses to perfom the test on her dogs. I wonder if she should include in that paragraph how common it is for the smaller bread Yorkie to have a liver stunt.

When people start trying to geneticaly alter a breed, and then have the balls to attempt to defend their practice with the pseudo intelligence, it makes me want to hurl.

ASTPhi877 · 05-31-2011, 03:57 AM

Did anyone else get 'annoyed' by her proclivity for 'using' the '___' all the dang time! 'I' know 'I' did! I could barely 'read' her 'full-of-bull' sentences, lol!

T-Rox · 05-31-2011, 05:59 AM

Stud Service?? More like Doggie prostitution. Just seems wrong.

Jennxling · 05-31-2011, 06:28 AM

UGH it makes me sad looking at the pictures of her "dam" and "sires". They all look so terribly sad and miserable...how can they not in the hands of such a greeder!

if people want a small small small "teacup" dog...they should just go get a hamster. They are small and portable! It made me laugh when she said "I take the term ‘teacup’ very seriously"....

bellemarie · 05-31-2011, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ASTPhi877

Did anyone else get 'annoyed' by her proclivity for 'using' the '___' all the dang time! 'I' know 'I' did! I could barely 'read' her 'full-of-bull' sentences, lol!

I 'know' just 'what' you 'mean'! it's 'like' she is 'trying' to draw 'attention' towards the 'incredible' (literally) parts of her 'statements', ie the 'thousands' of 'hours' of 'research' and how terrible 'line-breeding' is and how 'it' is simply 'in-breeding' and by 'her' out-crossing (with different breeds) makes her 'teacups' (a serious term mind you!) so much 'healthier' than any 'runts' you would 'buy' from a different 'breeder'.

i must say though, she does 'know' how to 'sound' convincing...

05-30-2011, 10:14 AM	#34
Charlies Mamma Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: With CharlieBrown of course! Posts: 1,404	Finally a reply Im not sure if anyone is still following this thread but I finally got a reply to me email I sent to this lady.... unbelievable. I just found this email, happened to go into my spam box, which is rare for interested buyers, realizing it was sent some time ago. I'll have to say you are the first negative email, ever, including all my interested buyers and buyers. I am very proud of the fact I offer a 1-year health contract, none of which ever have been needed, and an outstanding record with vet checks. One reason, among many, I can attribute this phenomenal track record is that unlike traditional AKC breeders, who are striving to meet a 'look', I go above and beyond the AKC requirements. I believe 'line-breeding', which is 'in-breeding', is the major culprit yielding congenital defects. Because I strive to 'out-breed', I believe that is the most important factor in maintaining a no-flaw puppy record, among the misuse of immunizations, thus far. (I honestly expected some degree of disgruntled buyers or isolated problems, but seriously, nothing but accolades and referrals from everyone.) I spend so much money on my dogs, buying them and caring for them, that I barely break even. The prices reflect the amount that goes into them. As far as the homes they go to, 'I' should be so lucky. These guys are picked up by chauffeurs, have nannies, have carriers in the thousands, have new vehicles purchased that 'go' with them, and the list goes on. They are babied beyond belief and I 'never' once have encountered buyers that were questionable, in the least. Some have been used in patient-rehabilitation and are the 'star' of the clinics and the doctors treat them as if they were there children. I wish all children could have it this good. Unfortunately, many breeders are in this business for the money (although when one insists on the best of everything as I do, there is VERY little profit) and particularly teacups, and that is why I specifically state on my site that of all scams, dogs are one of the worst, and of all dogs, Yorkies are the worst for scamming, and of Yorkies, teacups are the worst for scamming. Breeding teacups require a knowledge of genealogy (as they are not runts), and I have spent thousands of hours researching and working with this subject, as well as immunizations (which vets do not even stock the ones I use - too expensive and have an incredible efficacy rate, as well.) With all my litters, I have only had '2' Caesarians performed, neither of which were due to puppy size, rather a tangled cord within the uterus. Both females and puppies did great, but I have a lower rate of incidence than average breeders. I do warn people, on my site, that the majority of teacups are definitely not bred properly, nor cared for properly, and many of them are flat-out lies, and the buyer ends up very disappointed. It is my goal to make certain that every puppy and buyer are thoroughly happy, for years to come and so far -- so good. That is why I take an unbelievable amount of time with each buyer, each puppy and posting so much information on my site, in hopes to keep people aware of all the nasty pitfalls out there. It appears all my work thus far has paid off. I am a dedicated Christ follower and I treat my buyers with the utmost of respect, as I would want to be treated. Thank you for your comments. Hopefully you'll feel a little less negative, at least towards me, as I can unequivocally state I have not had anyone ask to return a puppy, needed to enforce their legally-binding health guarantee, or even complained -- only positive comments and repeat business and referrals. As far as flying, I 'insist' that all my buyers use Continental, as they have special planes actually made with special areas to accommodate animals, unlike other airlines, accompanied with attendants that fly with the pets and follow instructions to a tee. I even had one pilot hold a plane on the tarmac for 2 hours (after it had been delayed a long time already due to a storm and connecting flight), insuring my teacup made the connection. I never have them fly longer than 3-5 hours, regardless of how far, and I usually am at the airport at 5:00 am, insuring they get on the shortest and most comfortable flight for them. It is very important to me that you know how much I love my babies. They do NOT live in kennels. I am proud I am not a puppy mill and that all my parents and puppies get to live in a loving household that makes them feel loved and special. They have tons of clean beddings, infant toys, the MOST expensive of food, immunizations, best vets, and unfortunately, I do this because I have a passion for it, as I am constantly striving to make enough just to pay house payment, groceries and utilities. My x-husband violated court ordered child support, fled and never gave us/them anything. This business is demanding, but I do love it and just know I 'barely' make ends meet. I agree with you that most teacup breeders (and many other breeders for that matter) get into breeding for the wrong reason - just to make money. God knows our hearts and I pity those who are cruel to animals. Initially, I was SO shocked to find this email, it was upsetting, as it 'is' the one-and-only, ever. I considered that perhaps I shouldn't spend time responding, but since it sincerely is 'the' only one I have ever received, I figure it would warrant the time. For some breeders, the email you sent me may have been warranted, but please know none of these charges apply to me. Thank you for your concern for animals. Karen Karen's Teacups & Yorkies __________________ Mom to Bug and Charlie-R.I.P my sweet Charlie 2021

05-30-2011, 10:45 AM	#37
Taryn0405 Owned by a Gremlin Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: The Mitten State! Posts: 3,706	I love that she references genetics in her e-mail and that she believes it's only in-breeding that's causing all of the health problems with regards to the "teacup yorkie". That just screams sheer ignorance. I would like to e-mail her back and say that genetics has nothing to do with your practices. What the truth is you want an accessory, not a pet. Whenever you are trying to "genetically" alter a standard, it literally becomes a Franken-puppy monster, with defects her little brain I'm sure cannot comprehend. I also love on her website that she prides herself in never having any puppies with liver stunts and yet goes on to say that she refuses to perfom the test on her dogs. I wonder if she should include in that paragraph how common it is for the smaller bread Yorkie to have a liver stunt. When people start trying to geneticaly alter a breed, and then have the balls to attempt to defend their practice with the pseudo intelligence, it makes me want to hurl. __________________ Taryn Momma to Gizmo AKA Monkeyman My husband, daughter, son, and dog make me who I am "My goal in life is to be as good of a person my dog already thinks I am."

05-31-2011, 05:59 AM	#39
T-Rox Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Corpus Christi, Tx USA Posts: 176	Stud Service?? More like Doggie prostitution. Just seems wrong. __________________ Amanda 's Roxy

05-31-2011, 06:28 AM	#40
Jennxling YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: ~CA~ Posts: 1,637	UGH it makes me sad looking at the pictures of her "dam" and "sires". They all look so terribly sad and miserable...how can they not in the hands of such a greeder! if people want a small small small "teacup" dog...they should just go get a hamster. They are small and portable! It made me laugh when she said "I take the term ‘teacup’ very seriously".... __________________ Jen, Carmel Bo & Emma Lynn I knew nothing about love until I met my yorkies!

03-10-2011, 10:59 AM	#32
yorkietalkjilly ♥ Love My Tibbe! ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: D/FW, Texas Posts: 22,140	She probably gets email pretty frequently from outraged doglovers and just ignores it. I guess one would have to have pretty thick skin to do what some of those "teacup" breeders do.

05-30-2011, 10:29 AM	#35
BanditSocks2 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Crofton, MD, USA Posts: 1,522	Her health guarantee is a joke too! She makes excuses for everything they could possibly have saying it's part of the 'teacup nature.' Grrr!!! We should all overwhelm her with emails

05-31-2011, 03:57 AM	#38
ASTPhi877 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Louisiana, USA Posts: 192	Did anyone else get 'annoyed' by her proclivity for 'using' the '___' all the dang time! 'I' know 'I' did! I could barely 'read' her 'full-of-bull' sentences, lol!