anyone know anything about this breeder?

[lynzy420]

"defamation" hehe...I'm sure her lawyers explained it to her

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by SassyAnn101

Terry was my Haley's breeder. When Haley first came to me she got sick and I took her to our after hours clinic and they told me she had luxating patellas. When Terry found this out she contacted me directly and offered to help in any way if this were true. She did not offer to replace her, she offered to pay for surgery or any expense related to it. She also asked if I thought it was too much for me to handle to let her buy Haley back from me. I was totally impressed by everything she did because she did not have to do any of it. She cried with me and contacted me many times during the day while I was trying to find out what really was going on. Haley turned out to not have the luxating patellas as the dr had said, she also did not have the other problem they had said (I cannot remember what they called it). Haley is the most spoiled, vocal, overbearing little diva that I have ever seen, and she came to me that way. I have a friend who got a puppy from Terry and she flew into the airport and hand delivered.

So nice to hear your side of the story . Glad you baby is ok.

[ElainaS]

First of all it was not a 4pg letter, you omitted the fact that you were reading it on your cellphone so maybe it came across as 4 pages, but again your penchant for overstating the facts. And I am not sure why you are implying i suggested you go against Terry as her name was not mentioned at all in my letter to you. My letter stated that due to the numerous lies you have told on this site and on your other internet postings I will be persuing legal action, as I should. You have purposely misquoted me and mistated the facts as you are prone to do it seems, and I am actually on the site to see what other things you may have posted since our last interaction.

I full well know the meaning of Defamation, as should you. I totally believe Elvis has epilepsy due to your subsequent posts. That and the fact that one of his 2 puppies (which I have here and kept, tho you stated otherwise on this site with some story about me selling them and not letting people know their history, another lie) has also had seizures. The girl is perfectly fine, thus far. But back to the issue at hand, please refrain from using my name on this site particularly as you say very little that is not embellished or just outright untrue. Had you sent me your medical records (as you alleged you did on this site) with his final diagnosis as I stated we could have handled things differently. You did not, instead you chose to make false allegations and add all these additional facts and scenarios (as you just did) to appear the victim. I like you, purchased Elvis from Terry, and cannot change that he ended up having seizures, if I could have I would have. Had I know he would develope them, I certainly would never have sold him. And yes, he is a great dog, and yes I did care for him though you constantly say otherwise...and implied so many things there were not true (that I promised you AKC papers and then never sent them, barred my vet from sharing his records??, sent you pics of dogs in cages, all my dogs were pregnant at one time, had 7-12 litters a year, had numerous complaints against me, etc...etc...all with no validation or means of validating..just stating hateful lies to make me appear to be what you claim..) Yes..I would say that is Defamation when it is not true. And as I stated, I have proof that will dispell most if not all your statements. Truth, Elvis apparently started having seizures several months after you purchased him, and yes he had pinworms and you did send me that from your vet and we addressed it (and no i did not immediately blame you as you stated, another lie). That is the truth of the matter that I admit..EVERY other statement you've made about me on this site and the other is a complete lie. So carry on....just be prepared to back up every allegation and false statement you make, previously and from here out. That is all I am saying.

[ElainaS]

And as far as what amount I may be seeking, that is not the issue for me as money doesn't matter in this case. As I stated to you, it is entirely about the fact that you are smearing my name on the internet with hateful lies. I have been breeding over 20 years and have never dealt with anything like this until you, and all over another dog that I did not even breed, but subsequently re-sold to you.

I dealt with you as openly and honestly as I possibly could and was incredibly patient with you and the minute I did not send you a free puppy (which you claimed, on here, I was forcing on you against your better judgment..yeah right..) based on your say so alone, you immediately threaten me. So yes I was done with the situation until you could provide documentation on his diagnosis, which you did not, tho you stated on here you did, so that was the end of the matter until you could provide documentation.

This is standard practice particularly when asking someone to ship a puppy from coast to coast. I'm not sure what else you expected. Hence your hate campaign began, and apparently by any means necessary to prove your point. Nevermind, that you had to go to such lengths to do it. Again, this speaks to your character. I am willing to admit my responsibility. I totally regret what Elvis is going thru and feel for your situation but there is nothing I can do to change his condition or what happened. But to purposely lie about so many different things and make up all these other things you have said, I simply cannot have it. And so will need to address it. As my good name is everything to me. And so, here we are....

[concretegurl]

1. The contract you sent me was shady it was for dog's you bred only.
You initially only told me he grew too large for breeding, later after I committed to getting him and there was only a delay due to the weather restriction, and the contract was set, etc you told me you didn't actually breed him, you had gotten him from another breeder and went on to bad mouth her for wanting to trade dogs with you etc.
You said you de-worm prior to sale.


2. Elvis arrived with WHIP worms. My vet concluded through fecal he had all 3 stages of the worm infestation, this was in the initial 48 vet exam-required by our contract-your response was how did I know my other dog didn't give him worms-well because the lab determined he had had worms for months at least-that was the first time you attempted to blame me for your lack of proper care of a dog in your custody, and your failure to uphold your contract. BTW whip worms don't survive in my area. I'll be fair in saying the vets here don't see them a lot so when I was told his case of worms was so severe his overall health was concerning to my vet. Elvis lost over a pound in weight after the worms began to leave his body.

3. Elvis gained another 2.6 pound shortly after being in my care.

4. I failed to note before and should have, Elvis also had ear mites. This was determined later after a more thorough exam when the microscope-with the monitor I don't know what it is called-like a ultrasound machine was used to view his ears-none of my other dog had or have ever had ear mites.

5.Elvis was covered in flea poop on arrival-no live fleas but their pop was all over his body after a through exam. I messaged you how beautiful he was (that part is true) while looking at him in the kennel he was shipped in. I was excited and had not thoroughly examined him-I didn't anticipate any issues, I thought you were trustworthy, and was very excited my daughter was getting the dog she wanted.


5. You claimed to solely feed one brand of food he arrived with cheap food (x's and o's in red and green colors) you claim you forgot food and had to stop and get something along the way. In the same message you complained to me about having to spend an additional $50 on a kennel to ship him in as the airline refused to ship him in the kennel you originally had him in because it was too small for him to properly move-this was the email I got after he had been sent as you vented to me about how problematic it was-I was a first time buyer I expected you to be the expert since you had ship dogs before and offered the service.

6.Elvis has arthritis, you never mentioned that. How you could have missed the loud popping sounds his little legs made when he got up after laying even for short periods of time is beyond me-perhaps with so many dogs crammed in a mobile home trailer it's hard to hear? I have since it was discovered put him on appropriate supplements and giving him the adequate care needed for an arthritic dog-sad he's so young is his age is what you said it was (yes terry did confirm it).

7. Your pepfinder listings have been requested to show the number of dogs and pups you have listed as well the complaints made by other buyers and the information in the listing-as well all of our correspondence there.

8.You claim to have told me he had dental issues, Elvis teeth have barely been saved and my first vet said she couldn't even verify his age because his teeth were so badly covered in plaque to which she determined to be of neglectful state.

9. You claim he was too large to breed yet you bred him right before sending him.

10. I will check the dates however I beleive from memory now Elvis was only with me a month or two (perhaps close to but not more than 3) before he had his first set of seizures. I contacted you by phone and email, you did respond almost immediately. You questioned me up and down and then became very blaming stating he must have gotten into something. Later claiming you didn't beleive he had epilepsy or any seizures, again leading prelude to calling me a scam artist-to get a free dog from you-something you suggested a replacement pup I initially (from the beginning of his issues) told you I would never send him back to you I just wanted and at that point really needed his medical records so we could address any previously know issues and get him treatment right away. I NEVER asked you for anything other than his previous medical records and his AKC registration limited and said I'd pay you more for the full if you wanted I even pay you whatever you wanted for these I was only concerned for his care-remember I asked if you wanted another 200, 400, 600 what amount did you want? You having twice accused me of being a scammer-that in fact is defamation and will be addressed as well.

11. After offering a replacement pup you called to tell me someone else was interested in that pup and you'd be better off selling it to them-did I still want it. We talked I told you my daughter had already named it, Prince Otis remember and bought a new kennel, bed, harness cloths etc and was very excited after having been absolutely devastated her dog was ill-Elvis. We did not know at that time what was wrong with Elvis exactly and did not know if her would live another day. I had already sent you the money for the shipment of that pup. I shouldn't have agreed on a replacement pup however I didn't understand if it was epilepsy or what epilepsy meant for a dog I wasn't sure Elvis would live much longer. You refunded that money for the shipment of the replacement pup-that was all you ever refunded me- along with a very rude email about how you got advice from fellow breeders and it was concluded it was felt this was a scam.

12. Also you felt this was a scam from the call you claimed ot have made to my vet and said you spoke to a technician there saying they were claiming my vet made statements to them about me, Elvis' test results were not what was sent to you- and I'm still unsure if you were implying my vet and the other two consulting vets were all involved in trying to scam you-you said you couldn't see the first set of records sent to you and this made you uneasy-so they were resent and you felt they were inconclusive, later you still felt they were inadequate. They (my vet) have no record of your calls you claim you made-who do I beleive my own vet or you-really?Only records are of correspondence to the vet who signed Elvis' rabies cert. and sis his flight required health exam. No other records for him as agreed ever arrived. I contacted you several times requesting them. Again please send them I will pay for them-all you have to do is agree to release them with one phone call to the vet Elvis saw all his life with you.

13. You claim Elvis was sold as a pet only this is true. That what our contract states, however it's shady to talk to me on the phone and talk about pet only means limited registration via AKC and or breeding rights being full registration and when the transfer papers never arrive you say "pet only NO PAPERS" that was just down right sneaky IMO. You are obviously well versed in being misleading. Did I not address to you how this was very misleading and I felt a violation of the agreement we had. Did I not offer to pay you for them anyways just to ensure I got them?

14. I have never gone on any slanderous internet spree, I have posted on Yorkie Talk multiple times. I'm a member here the nature of this site is sharing about our dogs, educating each-other and part of that is discussing breeders. You are not a private person rehoming, you advertise on sites as an experienced breeder with over 20 years experience. This is a business for you (hope you pay income taxes that will come up along with how many dogs you registered AKC, all your internet listings, past clients etc. your web sites history you re-emailed me about giving fair warning well there's some of which you should be prepared for-my "damages" over adopting Elvis exceed 10k just so we're are clear, I've never asked for any of that have I? I've never asked for a single penny actually. I offered to pay more just to get what we originally agreed on-true shame on me for that.)-weather you term yourself now a hobby breeder or not. You presented yourself as an expert to me from day one, you made claims indisputably and unequivocally untrue-it's very black & white, no grey-yet you defame me by outright by calling me a liar multiple times & questioning my character and accusing me of scamming you.

15. By all means everything is here in type, please when you save up for that attorney it will be right here for review. I will not preemptively start litigation-if I were of a worry some character I would use the opportunity of your lack of funds to advantage now wouldn't I?

16. Elvis will be seeing the neurologist regularly. However the law states specialist, consultations are not required-nor can I ask for damages due to their costs-I've chosen to provide Elvis s best I can with the best care not only financially btw I chose to do this rather than put him to sleep as you suggested or send him back to you-ever.

17. Elvis is thriving here both due to proper medical treatment, basic care etc. I haven't even brought up his behaviors and the changes over the time he arrived verses now.

18. Think about this, is it appropriate to send me messages making statements of "bring it" calling me a scammer, a liar, other names and things I won't post here, bring my daughter into it, and ending your threatening emails with "let the games begin"?.

I won't respond to you again. Please do not contact me directly anymore. Have me served with litigation in an appropriate manner, all my contact information you have is current.

Enjoy Yorkie Talk.

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Wow. I just got a 4 page email from Elaine Shelborne Shelborne's Yorkies
threatening to at some point sue me for defamation (people really need to look at the definition of defamation) after she raises enough money to do so...(from breeding? I wonder)...I had considered this a lesson learned about how to buy your breeder and not the dog, but looks like we'll resolve it in litigation.

I'll update as it progresses, perhaps it will be educational for others-as long as admin. clears me posting it all here.

Of course since this is a public forum private information regarding both of our basic right to privacy and personal safety will be omitted.

In a way I'm very interested in seeing what she'll actually claim in the court documentation and damages (I wonder the amounts she's trying to say she's out over this that I now owe her).

.

I took a look at her web site. I just have this to say:

They walk among us, so there you go.

[ElainaS]

You said do not contact you again or you would consider it harrassment. Okay so I will do as you are doing and address it to the forum.

1. The contract I sent was standard contract true, but when the matter of Elvis came up as you know, the contract was never an issue, only Elvis' condition. It entered the picture when you threatened to sue me because I wouldnt send you the puppy without the vet records. We had already agreed you were keeping Elvis and you wanted another puppy as well, which I agreed to once addtl vet records were provided. Didn't happen. Tho you stated on this site you had sent to me certified..Again, please feel free to post the tracking info so that I and everyone else on this site can see it. That would certainly prove you sent them. But I know that won't happen.

And as for not telling you I hadn't bred him personally this was made clear from our first few conversations, and the statement about me badmouthing Terry and her wanting to trade me dogs??. Some of your statements are hardly worth addressing so I will skip over them..

I have the vet copies you sent me and there was evidence of worms and as I recall, they were present but minimal. In fact besides the worms found, and his teeth needing to be cleaned, you stated his condition was very good and vet found him to be in good health. I Never accused you of being to blame, not once.~ Elvis was profess. groomed prior to his shipping and did not have fleas but had flea poop all over him?? And you emailed me DAYS later how great he looked and emailed me a pic (not a message while looking at him in his kennel as you are stating here). As for x/0 kibble which I had no idea what you were talking about then or now, since that is not what he was shipped with. And I certainly never said i forgot and bought something on the way???

I have 3 dogs in my home with me and the others in a kennel 3 ft from my back door. A bldg that has heat, a/c, toys, furn., crates, tv and living area for my babies and there is NO mobile home crammed with dogs on my property as you are implying. Where are you getting your info from??

I have never used petfinder (or pepfinder) but only puppyfind, so please request those records if that is what you mean. This will only help my case.

As for Elvis teeth being covered with plaque, vet barely able to distinguish one from another, etc..again all this after you had a problem with me. Not at all what you said prior. Anyone who cares to look can see from his pics his teeth were Not in the condition you are saying. No even close. You also stated elsewhere I never sent you his puppy pics as promised (but you had them on your website somehow) or his AKC papers. Elvis was offered for sale with papers or w/o papers. Period. You opted to not get them because you said you did not need them. You were getting him to breed with your white Schauzer pup you would be getting and would be breeding Snorkies.

Yet you claim i bilked you out of his Ltd Reg papers. I furnished you with all his AKC info and breeders info when Elvis became ill as you said you needed them to trace his backgrd. You offered to buy them (for the same price I had orig listed). I said this wasn't necessary if you only wanted the info, I would give all the info I had for free..and immed emailed you the info..(and NO you did not offer 200, 400, even 600 as you're stating here). So again you did not need the AKC papers, only the info you stated. The end.

Yet later you contact AKC with the same story, that I had not mailed them to you as promised and tried to get them from AKC directly. And you call me shady..When you contacted me about Elvis, my first response was had he gotten into any thing, chemicals, etc..that might have caused him to get ill. yes I had questions. That was a natural response as I see it, and he had never had a seizure while here with me. I did not blame or accuse you at all..it was a query. I also NEVER stated that I thought you were making anything up or that he hadn't had a seizure with you cause how could I know that? And I never preluded you to be a scammer but only asked the questions one would expect to be asked in this situation. However, you have posted my info on several sites and used that exact word and even placed it on a scammer site.??

You also posted somewhere that i published your personal info on this site. I did incl your name (premarriage) and you had it removed, the same name you posted in your Complaint..okay but I did NOTever publish your address, or your daughters name and email address (i dont' know her or this info) or your aunts personal info (if this is the lady who I shipped Elvis to and picked him up at the airport for you i do have this) but I have never published this info anywhere, at any time..What is the point of all these tales?

And yes you sent me the money to ship you the new puppy (putting the cart before the horse) but didnt send the documents from the vet on his diagnosis and yes I was encouraged by 2 of my breeder friends before shipping another pup to you. (They nor I ever called you a scammer)I think it was certainly within reason to ask for the documents before shipping you a puppy from DE to CA. So I refunded your shipping for the pup as well as the partial refund on Elvis (again at this time there was no diagnosis on his condition but you had incurred vet bills thus far, so no problem).

12. Your number 12 statement is so confusing I'm not sure how to address it. Not sure what you are saying but I only ever had the initial report from your vet, and this is the office I spoke with. As for vets scamming and you scamming, again...no idea what you are talking about..At the time i spoke with you, you had only been to one vet and was being referred to specialist for tests. You wanted to wait until the RX prescribed was used and he was more stable before seeing the specialist. Your words. I have never seen any reports or records from any specialist (tho again you claimed to have sent certified papers to me). You also claimed to be having him neutered as soon as poss. as well but I see from one of your post you mention your unaltered male Elvis which is not what you implied when we discussed sending you the new puppy..given his condition, why wouldn't he be? But thats another story.

As for you contacting me sev. times about his other vet records and I refused and the vet refused. When? You have never asked me to send any addtl info after asking for his AKC and breeder info (which I immed. emailed to you) and I certainly never barred my vet from sending you anything as you claim. They have never asked permission or mentioned your request in any way, shape or form.

Perhaps you dont consider it slanderous what you are falsing stating but I do. And yes, I do pay income taxes, have a kennel license, kennel inspections, etc.and as for all the rest..DITTO..I can say exactly the same thing.

As for his behaviorial problems, thats is another contradiction on your part but to be expected at this point. And to say I suggested you put Elvis to sleep??? Perfect example. At the point of our last contact you had not even taken him to his specialist or had a second visit to determine what was going on. So why would I ever suggest that?

As for calling you a scammer, again, i have never used the word, only you have. I HAVE called you a liar on numerous occasions because it baffles me no end the lengths you will go to or the things you are willing to say, as for other names (no clue what you mean there)?? Your daughter??? (why do you keep mentioning your daughter?? i don't get it, i dont even know your daughter)...

And yes, after your short response about dont contact you or you will consider it harrassment and how you have an attorney on retainer and would be counter suing..I said "let the games begin.." this is true. I have no problem with the truth.

And I will not contact you directly, I will only do it as you have done...on a public forum, under the guise of providing useful information, and sharing data. You have plenty to say on this site where you can rant unchecked, and with no accountability on what you are saying. You use this forum and the internet to say whatever comes to your mind, yet when I address it, I am harrassing you, violating your privacy, and your main concerns are don't post your name, don't give your information, don't harrass you, etc..etc...

Unfortunately when we purchase animals, especially on the internet, we will always be taking a chance on what we get. As I did, and you did. I also purchased Elvis from Terry and could easily be in your same situation but for circumstance. I have bought many dogs over the years and unfortunately have had things come up that were not forseen, however, I have never handled them the way you have. I get that you want to blame someone. Okay, I get it..but to make so many false claims and allegations, I would never do it. Hence the difference.

As I stated earlier, you are very well spoken, and obviously very learned, however, there is obviously that part of your makeup that allows you to go beyond what is true and just, to achieve your objective. As for damages, again I am only concerned about my good name and am bringing the suit not for money but for vindication, as my next step will be to legally have all the mistruths removed from the Consumer site and all other affected areas..Its not about money at all. As for your counterclaim, I do feel for you greatly but I have no worries that you will win because unlike you, there has never been any malice or forethought in any thing I have said or done. And I certainly never scammed you as you keep repeating or intentionally misled you. Quite the opposite.

I won't contact you directly again as you've requested. However I will respond to anything else posted that I feel is untrue or fabricated. I have that right.

With that said...You enjoy Yorkie Talk as well.

[TraciG]

I have seen (video) of poor Elvis with his seizures. All I can say is that he is in great hands and is lucky to have such a loving family to accept him as he is .

[concretegurl]

Thank you.

I posted the videos of his seizures to educate others on the variety of types of seizures and their characteristics-well and finally caught it on tape.

I was initially very confused as to what was happening with him I had only seen videos of grand mal types and that's not how his present.

[TraciG]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Thank you.

I posted the videos of his seizures to educate others on the variety of types of seizures and their characteristics-well and finally caught it on tape.

I was initially very confused as to what was happening with him I had only seen videos of grand mal types and that's not how his present.

No thanks needed - I just wanted to say in the end of this ordeal, Elvis has the best life - so many people would have given up. He is so lucky to have ended up with you. You read the threads, you see what others will or will not do for their dog. How many people would invest the time and money into a pet? On this forum, maybe many - but in real life, not so much. Kuddos to you.

[ElainaS]

Thanks Traci. That is good to know. Perhaps the only bright spot in this whole ugly mess. I am glad, as he deserves no less.

[shelimcallister]

Originally Posted by Bieweryorkieusv

To be honest my baby Shiloh came from her and he just suddenly passed away on June 16th of this year, he was one year and 9 months old. He was my son and my life and I am devestated. I think she is a sweet lady with beautiful pups; but I just so hard to believe my baby is gone :-(

I am sooo sorry for the loss of your little boy. He was beautiful and I hope your heart will healed very soon knowing he is waiting for you in heaven!

[shelimcallister]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Wow. I just got a 4 page email from Elaine Shelborne Shelborne's Yorkies
threatening to at some point sue me for defamation (people really need to look at the definition of defamation) after she raises enough money to do so...(from breeding? I wonder)...I had considered this a lesson learned about how to buy your breeder and not the dog, but looks like we'll resolve it in litigation.

I'll update as it progresses, perhaps it will be educational for others-as long as admin. clears me posting it all here.

Of course since this is a public forum private information regarding both of our basic right to privacy and personal safety will be omitted.

In a way I'm very interested in seeing what she'll actually claim in the court documentation and damages (I wonder the amounts she's trying to say she's out over this that I now owe her).

Anyone who is in contact with Terry-I haven't addressed her in any way other than initial contact over Elvi's health so why Elaine feels I need to blame Terry and seek something from her, well that's not going to happen my issue is strictly with Elaine. What happens between the two of them is between the two of them.

What?!?!????? OMG!!!!

I am from Orlando and am interested in adopting another Yorkie. I definitely will NOT purchase from this crazy breeder! I am so sorry about Elivis! I always see your funny bannings and had no idea. Big hugs to you and Elvis! Great name btw.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by shelimcallister

What?!?!????? OMG!!!!

I am from Orlando and am interested in adopting another Yorkie. I definitely will NOT purchase from this crazy breeder! I am so sorry about Elivis! I always see your funny bannings and had no idea. Big hugs to you and Elvis! Great name btw.

Elvis was named by Elaine so the kudos of that do go to her.

I'd not hinder anyone from buying a Yorkie from her-I'd only share my experience, and let people decide for themselves. Sometimes when you ask a breeder for references they then control only giving you positive reviews.

Again my Elvis was bred (produced by) Terry Castonguay.
Terry ended her line of partis Elvis was in the last litter born from her. Why well you can ask her or you can see the numerous complaints here about her parti line start I beleive the first one I saw here was dated in 2005.

Terry does breed Biewers now-please search her on here there are a lot of complaints about he, like the one above and why this thread was started, and recently 4 people I know of, who have had puppies not only sick but they have died sadly-please again do the research on this yourself.

Elvis was rehomed-more appropriately to say resold to me by Elaine-about 2 years (?) after she got him from Terry.

It is not only important to buy your breeder and not the dog but to ensure in the event of issue (even the best breeder will eventually have an issue) there are contracts in place to assure both parties amicable resolutions.

I hope if nothing else people learn from this-both breeders and buyers.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by shelimcallister

I am sooo sorry for the loss of your little boy. He was beautiful and I hope your heart will healed very soon knowing he is waiting for you in heaven!

I think she got a replacement pup (a girl) and it died shortly after as well.

I think it was her or the other lady who posted around the same time on another thread.