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ElainaS · 04-20-2012, 03:57 PM

You said do not contact you again or you would consider it harrassment. Okay so I will do as you are doing and address it to the forum.

1. The contract I sent was standard contract true, but when the matter of Elvis came up as you know, the contract was never an issue, only Elvis' condition. It entered the picture when you threatened to sue me because I wouldnt send you the puppy without the vet records. We had already agreed you were keeping Elvis and you wanted another puppy as well, which I agreed to once addtl vet records were provided. Didn't happen. Tho you stated on this site you had sent to me certified..Again, please feel free to post the tracking info so that I and everyone else on this site can see it. That would certainly prove you sent them. But I know that won't happen.

And as for not telling you I hadn't bred him personally this was made clear from our first few conversations, and the statement about me badmouthing Terry and her wanting to trade me dogs??

. Some of your statements are hardly worth addressing so I will skip over them..

I have the vet copies you sent me and there was evidence of worms and as I recall, they were present but minimal. In fact besides the worms found, and his teeth needing to be cleaned, you stated his condition was very good and vet found him to be in good health. I Never accused you of being to blame, not once.~ Elvis was profess. groomed prior to his shipping and did not have fleas but had flea poop all over him?? And you emailed me DAYS later how great he looked and emailed me a pic (not a message while looking at him in his kennel as you are stating here). As for x/0 kibble which I had no idea what you were talking about then or now, since that is not what he was shipped with. And I certainly never said i forgot and bought something on the way???

I have 3 dogs in my home with me and the others in a kennel 3 ft from my back door. A bldg that has heat, a/c, toys, furn., crates, tv and living area for my babies and there is NO mobile home crammed with dogs on my property as you are implying. Where are you getting your info from??

I have never used petfinder (or pepfinder) but only puppyfind, so please request those records if that is what you mean. This will only help my case.

As for Elvis teeth being covered with plaque, vet barely able to distinguish one from another, etc..again all this after you had a problem with me. Not at all what you said prior. Anyone who cares to look can see from his pics his teeth were Not in the condition you are saying. No even close. You also stated elsewhere I never sent you his puppy pics as promised (but you had them on your website somehow) or his AKC papers. Elvis was offered for sale with papers or w/o papers. Period. You opted to not get them because you said you did not need them. You were getting him to breed with your white Schauzer pup you would be getting and would be breeding Snorkies.

Yet you claim i bilked you out of his Ltd Reg papers. I furnished you with all his AKC info and breeders info when Elvis became ill as you said you needed them to trace his backgrd. You offered to buy them (for the same price I had orig listed). I said this wasn't necessary if you only wanted the info, I would give all the info I had for free..and immed emailed you the info..(and NO you did not offer 200, 400, even 600 as you're stating here). So again you did not need the AKC papers, only the info you stated. The end.

Yet later you contact AKC with the same story, that I had not mailed them to you as promised and tried to get them from AKC directly. And you call me shady..When you contacted me about Elvis, my first response was had he gotten into any thing, chemicals, etc..that might have caused him to get ill. yes I had questions. That was a natural response as I see it, and he had never had a seizure while here with me. I did not blame or accuse you at all..it was a query. I also NEVER stated that I thought you were making anything up or that he hadn't had a seizure with you cause how could I know that? And I never preluded you to be a scammer but only asked the questions one would expect to be asked in this situation. However, you have posted my info on several sites and used that exact word and even placed it on a scammer site.??

You also posted somewhere that i published your personal info on this site. I did incl your name (premarriage) and you had it removed, the same name you posted in your Complaint..okay but I did NOTever publish your address, or your daughters name and email address (i dont' know her or this info) or your aunts personal info (if this is the lady who I shipped Elvis to and picked him up at the airport for you i do have this) but I have never published this info anywhere, at any time..What is the point of all these tales?

And yes you sent me the money to ship you the new puppy (putting the cart before the horse) but didnt send the documents from the vet on his diagnosis and yes I was encouraged by 2 of my breeder friends before shipping another pup to you. (They nor I ever called you a scammer)I think it was certainly within reason to ask for the documents before shipping you a puppy from DE to CA. So I refunded your shipping for the pup as well as the partial refund on Elvis (again at this time there was no diagnosis on his condition but you had incurred vet bills thus far, so no problem).

12. Your number 12 statement is so confusing I'm not sure how to address it. Not sure what you are saying but I only ever had the initial report from your vet, and this is the office I spoke with. As for vets scamming and you scamming, again...no idea what you are talking about..At the time i spoke with you, you had only been to one vet and was being referred to specialist for tests. You wanted to wait until the RX prescribed was used and he was more stable before seeing the specialist. Your words. I have never seen any reports or records from any specialist (tho again you claimed to have sent certified papers to me). You also claimed to be having him neutered as soon as poss. as well but I see from one of your post you mention your unaltered male Elvis which is not what you implied when we discussed sending you the new puppy..given his condition, why wouldn't he be? But thats another story.

As for you contacting me sev. times about his other vet records and I refused and the vet refused. When? You have never asked me to send any addtl info after asking for his AKC and breeder info (which I immed. emailed to you) and I certainly never barred my vet from sending you anything as you claim. They have never asked permission or mentioned your request in any way, shape or form.

Perhaps you dont consider it slanderous what you are falsing stating but I do. And yes, I do pay income taxes, have a kennel license, kennel inspections, etc.and as for all the rest..DITTO..I can say exactly the same thing.

As for his behaviorial problems, thats is another contradiction on your part but to be expected at this point. And to say I suggested you put Elvis to sleep??? Perfect example. At the point of our last contact you had not even taken him to his specialist or had a second visit to determine what was going on. So why would I ever suggest that?

As for calling you a scammer, again, i have never used the word, only you have. I HAVE called you a liar on numerous occasions because it baffles me no end the lengths you will go to or the things you are willing to say, as for other names (no clue what you mean there)?? Your daughter??? (why do you keep mentioning your daughter?? i don't get it, i dont even know your daughter)...

And yes, after your short response about dont contact you or you will consider it harrassment and how you have an attorney on retainer and would be counter suing..I said "let the games begin.." this is true. I have no problem with the truth.

And I will not contact you directly, I will only do it as you have done...on a public forum, under the guise of providing useful information, and sharing data. You have plenty to say on this site where you can rant unchecked, and with no accountability on what you are saying. You use this forum and the internet to say whatever comes to your mind, yet when I address it, I am harrassing you, violating your privacy, and your main concerns are don't post your name, don't give your information, don't harrass you, etc..etc...

Unfortunately when we purchase animals, especially on the internet, we will always be taking a chance on what we get. As I did, and you did. I also purchased Elvis from Terry and could easily be in your same situation but for circumstance. I have bought many dogs over the years and unfortunately have had things come up that were not forseen, however, I have never handled them the way you have. I get that you want to blame someone. Okay, I get it..but to make so many false claims and allegations, I would never do it. Hence the difference.

As I stated earlier, you are very well spoken, and obviously very learned, however, there is obviously that part of your makeup that allows you to go beyond what is true and just, to achieve your objective. As for damages, again I am only concerned about my good name and am bringing the suit not for money but for vindication, as my next step will be to legally have all the mistruths removed from the Consumer site and all other affected areas..Its not about money at all. As for your counterclaim, I do feel for you greatly but I have no worries that you will win because unlike you, there has never been any malice or forethought in any thing I have said or done. And I certainly never scammed you as you keep repeating or intentionally misled you. Quite the opposite.

I won't contact you directly again as you've requested. However I will respond to anything else posted that I feel is untrue or fabricated. I have that right.

With that said...You enjoy Yorkie Talk as well.

04-20-2012, 03:57 PM	#52
ElainaS Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Ellendale DE US Posts: 14	Open Response You said do not contact you again or you would consider it harrassment. Okay so I will do as you are doing and address it to the forum. 1. The contract I sent was standard contract true, but when the matter of Elvis came up as you know, the contract was never an issue, only Elvis' condition. It entered the picture when you threatened to sue me because I wouldnt send you the puppy without the vet records. We had already agreed you were keeping Elvis and you wanted another puppy as well, which I agreed to once addtl vet records were provided. Didn't happen. Tho you stated on this site you had sent to me certified..Again, please feel free to post the tracking info so that I and everyone else on this site can see it. That would certainly prove you sent them. But I know that won't happen. And as for not telling you I hadn't bred him personally this was made clear from our first few conversations, and the statement about me badmouthing Terry and her wanting to trade me dogs??. Some of your statements are hardly worth addressing so I will skip over them.. I have the vet copies you sent me and there was evidence of worms and as I recall, they were present but minimal. In fact besides the worms found, and his teeth needing to be cleaned, you stated his condition was very good and vet found him to be in good health. I Never accused you of being to blame, not once.~ Elvis was profess. groomed prior to his shipping and did not have fleas but had flea poop all over him?? And you emailed me DAYS later how great he looked and emailed me a pic (not a message while looking at him in his kennel as you are stating here). As for x/0 kibble which I had no idea what you were talking about then or now, since that is not what he was shipped with. And I certainly never said i forgot and bought something on the way??? I have 3 dogs in my home with me and the others in a kennel 3 ft from my back door. A bldg that has heat, a/c, toys, furn., crates, tv and living area for my babies and there is NO mobile home crammed with dogs on my property as you are implying. Where are you getting your info from?? I have never used petfinder (or pepfinder) but only puppyfind, so please request those records if that is what you mean. This will only help my case. As for Elvis teeth being covered with plaque, vet barely able to distinguish one from another, etc..again all this after you had a problem with me. Not at all what you said prior. Anyone who cares to look can see from his pics his teeth were Not in the condition you are saying. No even close. You also stated elsewhere I never sent you his puppy pics as promised (but you had them on your website somehow) or his AKC papers. Elvis was offered for sale with papers or w/o papers. Period. You opted to not get them because you said you did not need them. You were getting him to breed with your white Schauzer pup you would be getting and would be breeding Snorkies. Yet you claim i bilked you out of his Ltd Reg papers. I furnished you with all his AKC info and breeders info when Elvis became ill as you said you needed them to trace his backgrd. You offered to buy them (for the same price I had orig listed). I said this wasn't necessary if you only wanted the info, I would give all the info I had for free..and immed emailed you the info..(and NO you did not offer 200, 400, even 600 as you're stating here). So again you did not need the AKC papers, only the info you stated. The end. Yet later you contact AKC with the same story, that I had not mailed them to you as promised and tried to get them from AKC directly. And you call me shady..When you contacted me about Elvis, my first response was had he gotten into any thing, chemicals, etc..that might have caused him to get ill. yes I had questions. That was a natural response as I see it, and he had never had a seizure while here with me. I did not blame or accuse you at all..it was a query. I also NEVER stated that I thought you were making anything up or that he hadn't had a seizure with you cause how could I know that? And I never preluded you to be a scammer but only asked the questions one would expect to be asked in this situation. However, you have posted my info on several sites and used that exact word and even placed it on a scammer site.?? You also posted somewhere that i published your personal info on this site. I did incl your name (premarriage) and you had it removed, the same name you posted in your Complaint..okay but I did NOTever publish your address, or your daughters name and email address (i dont' know her or this info) or your aunts personal info (if this is the lady who I shipped Elvis to and picked him up at the airport for you i do have this) but I have never published this info anywhere, at any time..What is the point of all these tales? And yes you sent me the money to ship you the new puppy (putting the cart before the horse) but didnt send the documents from the vet on his diagnosis and yes I was encouraged by 2 of my breeder friends before shipping another pup to you. (They nor I ever called you a scammer)I think it was certainly within reason to ask for the documents before shipping you a puppy from DE to CA. So I refunded your shipping for the pup as well as the partial refund on Elvis (again at this time there was no diagnosis on his condition but you had incurred vet bills thus far, so no problem). 12. Your number 12 statement is so confusing I'm not sure how to address it. Not sure what you are saying but I only ever had the initial report from your vet, and this is the office I spoke with. As for vets scamming and you scamming, again...no idea what you are talking about..At the time i spoke with you, you had only been to one vet and was being referred to specialist for tests. You wanted to wait until the RX prescribed was used and he was more stable before seeing the specialist. Your words. I have never seen any reports or records from any specialist (tho again you claimed to have sent certified papers to me). You also claimed to be having him neutered as soon as poss. as well but I see from one of your post you mention your unaltered male Elvis which is not what you implied when we discussed sending you the new puppy..given his condition, why wouldn't he be? But thats another story. As for you contacting me sev. times about his other vet records and I refused and the vet refused. When? You have never asked me to send any addtl info after asking for his AKC and breeder info (which I immed. emailed to you) and I certainly never barred my vet from sending you anything as you claim. They have never asked permission or mentioned your request in any way, shape or form. Perhaps you dont consider it slanderous what you are falsing stating but I do. And yes, I do pay income taxes, have a kennel license, kennel inspections, etc.and as for all the rest..DITTO..I can say exactly the same thing. As for his behaviorial problems, thats is another contradiction on your part but to be expected at this point. And to say I suggested you put Elvis to sleep??? Perfect example. At the point of our last contact you had not even taken him to his specialist or had a second visit to determine what was going on. So why would I ever suggest that? As for calling you a scammer, again, i have never used the word, only you have. I HAVE called you a liar on numerous occasions because it baffles me no end the lengths you will go to or the things you are willing to say, as for other names (no clue what you mean there)?? Your daughter??? (why do you keep mentioning your daughter?? i don't get it, i dont even know your daughter)... And yes, after your short response about dont contact you or you will consider it harrassment and how you have an attorney on retainer and would be counter suing..I said "let the games begin.." this is true. I have no problem with the truth. And I will not contact you directly, I will only do it as you have done...on a public forum, under the guise of providing useful information, and sharing data. You have plenty to say on this site where you can rant unchecked, and with no accountability on what you are saying. You use this forum and the internet to say whatever comes to your mind, yet when I address it, I am harrassing you, violating your privacy, and your main concerns are don't post your name, don't give your information, don't harrass you, etc..etc... Unfortunately when we purchase animals, especially on the internet, we will always be taking a chance on what we get. As I did, and you did. I also purchased Elvis from Terry and could easily be in your same situation but for circumstance. I have bought many dogs over the years and unfortunately have had things come up that were not forseen, however, I have never handled them the way you have. I get that you want to blame someone. Okay, I get it..but to make so many false claims and allegations, I would never do it. Hence the difference. As I stated earlier, you are very well spoken, and obviously very learned, however, there is obviously that part of your makeup that allows you to go beyond what is true and just, to achieve your objective. As for damages, again I am only concerned about my good name and am bringing the suit not for money but for vindication, as my next step will be to legally have all the mistruths removed from the Consumer site and all other affected areas..Its not about money at all. As for your counterclaim, I do feel for you greatly but I have no worries that you will win because unlike you, there has never been any malice or forethought in any thing I have said or done. And I certainly never scammed you as you keep repeating or intentionally misled you. Quite the opposite. I won't contact you directly again as you've requested. However I will respond to anything else posted that I feel is untrue or fabricated. I have that right. With that said...You enjoy Yorkie Talk as well.