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concretegurl · 04-19-2012, 11:32 PM

1. The contract you sent me was shady it was for dog's you bred only.
You initially only told me he grew too large for breeding, later after I committed to getting him and there was only a delay due to the weather restriction, and the contract was set, etc you told me you didn't actually breed him, you had gotten him from another breeder and went on to bad mouth her for wanting to trade dogs with you etc.
You said you de-worm prior to sale.

2. Elvis arrived with WHIP worms. My vet concluded through fecal he had all 3 stages of the worm infestation, this was in the initial 48 vet exam-required by our contract-your response was how did I know my other dog didn't give him worms-well because the lab determined he had had worms for months at least-that was the first time you attempted to blame me for your lack of proper care of a dog in your custody, and your failure to uphold your contract. BTW whip worms don't survive in my area. I'll be fair in saying the vets here don't see them a lot so when I was told his case of worms was so severe his overall health was concerning to my vet. Elvis lost over a pound in weight after the worms began to leave his body.

3. Elvis gained another 2.6 pound shortly after being in my care.

4. I failed to note before and should have, Elvis also had ear mites. This was determined later after a more thorough exam when the microscope-with the monitor I don't know what it is called-like a ultrasound machine was used to view his ears-none of my other dog had or have ever had ear mites.

5.Elvis was covered in flea poop on arrival-no live fleas but their pop was all over his body after a through exam. I messaged you how beautiful he was (that part is true) while looking at him in the kennel he was shipped in. I was excited and had not thoroughly examined him-I didn't anticipate any issues, I thought you were trustworthy, and was very excited my daughter was getting the dog she wanted.

5. You claimed to solely feed one brand of food he arrived with cheap food (x's and o's in red and green colors) you claim you forgot food and had to stop and get something along the way. In the same message you complained to me about having to spend an additional $50 on a kennel to ship him in as the airline refused to ship him in the kennel you originally had him in because it was too small for him to properly move-this was the email I got after he had been sent as you vented to me about how problematic it was-I was a first time buyer I expected you to be the expert since you had ship dogs before and offered the service.

6.Elvis has arthritis, you never mentioned that. How you could have missed the loud popping sounds his little legs made when he got up after laying even for short periods of time is beyond me-perhaps with so many dogs crammed in a mobile home trailer it's hard to hear? I have since it was discovered put him on appropriate supplements and giving him the adequate care needed for an arthritic dog-sad he's so young is his age is what you said it was (yes terry did confirm it).

7. Your pepfinder listings have been requested to show the number of dogs and pups you have listed as well the complaints made by other buyers and the information in the listing-as well all of our correspondence there.

8.You claim to have told me he had dental issues, Elvis teeth have barely been saved and my first vet said she couldn't even verify his age because his teeth were so badly covered in plaque to which she determined to be of neglectful state.

9. You claim he was too large to breed yet you bred him right before sending him.

10. I will check the dates however I beleive from memory now Elvis was only with me a month or two (perhaps close to but not more than 3) before he had his first set of seizures. I contacted you by phone and email, you did respond almost immediately. You questioned me up and down and then became very blaming stating he must have gotten into something. Later claiming you didn't beleive he had epilepsy or any seizures, again leading prelude to calling me a scam artist-to get a free dog from you-something you suggested a replacement pup I initially (from the beginning of his issues) told you I would never send him back to you I just wanted and at that point really needed his medical records so we could address any previously know issues and get him treatment right away. I NEVER asked you for anything other than his previous medical records and his AKC registration limited and said I'd pay you more for the full if you wanted I even pay you whatever you wanted for these I was only concerned for his care-remember I asked if you wanted another 200, 400, 600 what amount did you want? You having twice accused me of being a scammer-that in fact is defamation and will be addressed as well.

11. After offering a replacement pup you called to tell me someone else was interested in that pup and you'd be better off selling it to them-did I still want it. We talked I told you my daughter had already named it, Prince Otis remember and bought a new kennel, bed, harness cloths etc and was very excited after having been absolutely devastated her dog was ill-Elvis. We did not know at that time what was wrong with Elvis exactly and did not know if her would live another day. I had already sent you the money for the shipment of that pup. I shouldn't have agreed on a replacement pup however I didn't understand if it was epilepsy or what epilepsy meant for a dog I wasn't sure Elvis would live much longer. You refunded that money for the shipment of the replacement pup-that was all you ever refunded me- along with a very rude email about how you got advice from fellow breeders and it was concluded it was felt this was a scam.

12. Also you felt this was a scam from the call you claimed ot have made to my vet and said you spoke to a technician there saying they were claiming my vet made statements to them about me, Elvis' test results were not what was sent to you- and I'm still unsure if you were implying my vet and the other two consulting vets were all involved in trying to scam you-you said you couldn't see the first set of records sent to you and this made you uneasy-so they were resent and you felt they were inconclusive, later you still felt they were inadequate. They (my vet) have no record of your calls you claim you made-who do I beleive my own vet or you-really?Only records are of correspondence to the vet who signed Elvis' rabies cert. and sis his flight required health exam. No other records for him as agreed ever arrived. I contacted you several times requesting them. Again please send them I will pay for them-all you have to do is agree to release them with one phone call to the vet Elvis saw all his life with you.

13. You claim Elvis was sold as a pet only this is true. That what our contract states, however it's shady to talk to me on the phone and talk about pet only means limited registration via AKC and or breeding rights being full registration and when the transfer papers never arrive you say "pet only NO PAPERS" that was just down right sneaky IMO. You are obviously well versed in being misleading. Did I not address to you how this was very misleading and I felt a violation of the agreement we had. Did I not offer to pay you for them anyways just to ensure I got them?

14. I have never gone on any slanderous internet spree, I have posted on Yorkie Talk multiple times. I'm a member here the nature of this site is sharing about our dogs, educating each-other and part of that is discussing breeders. You are not a private person rehoming, you advertise on sites as an experienced breeder with over 20 years experience. This is a business for you (hope you pay income taxes that will come up along with how many dogs you registered AKC, all your internet listings, past clients etc. your web sites history you re-emailed me about giving fair warning well there's some of which you should be prepared for-my "damages" over adopting Elvis exceed 10k just so we're are clear, I've never asked for any of that have I? I've never asked for a single penny actually. I offered to pay more just to get what we originally agreed on-true shame on me for that.)-weather you term yourself now a hobby breeder or not. You presented yourself as an expert to me from day one, you made claims indisputably and unequivocally untrue-it's very black & white, no grey-yet you defame me by outright by calling me a liar multiple times & questioning my character and accusing me of scamming you.

15. By all means everything is here in type, please when you save up for that attorney it will be right here for review. I will not preemptively start litigation-if I were of a worry some character I would use the opportunity of your lack of funds to advantage now wouldn't I?

16. Elvis will be seeing the neurologist regularly. However the law states specialist, consultations are not required-nor can I ask for damages due to their costs-I've chosen to provide Elvis s best I can with the best care not only financially btw I chose to do this rather than put him to sleep as you suggested or send him back to you-ever.

17. Elvis is thriving here both due to proper medical treatment, basic care etc. I haven't even brought up his behaviors and the changes over the time he arrived verses now.

18. Think about this, is it appropriate to send me messages making statements of "bring it" calling me a scammer, a liar, other names and things I won't post here, bring my daughter into it, and ending your threatening emails with "let the games begin"?.

I won't respond to you again. Please do not contact me directly anymore. Have me served with litigation in an appropriate manner, all my contact information you have is current.

Enjoy Yorkie Talk.

04-19-2012, 11:32 PM	#50
concretegurl Between♥Suspensions Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Vaissades Posts: 7,979	1. The contract you sent me was shady it was for dog's you bred only. You initially only told me he grew too large for breeding, later after I committed to getting him and there was only a delay due to the weather restriction, and the contract was set, etc you told me you didn't actually breed him, you had gotten him from another breeder and went on to bad mouth her for wanting to trade dogs with you etc. You said you de-worm prior to sale. 2. Elvis arrived with WHIP worms. My vet concluded through fecal he had all 3 stages of the worm infestation, this was in the initial 48 vet exam-required by our contract-your response was how did I know my other dog didn't give him worms-well because the lab determined he had had worms for months at least-that was the first time you attempted to blame me for your lack of proper care of a dog in your custody, and your failure to uphold your contract. BTW whip worms don't survive in my area. I'll be fair in saying the vets here don't see them a lot so when I was told his case of worms was so severe his overall health was concerning to my vet. Elvis lost over a pound in weight after the worms began to leave his body. 3. Elvis gained another 2.6 pound shortly after being in my care. 4. I failed to note before and should have, Elvis also had ear mites. This was determined later after a more thorough exam when the microscope-with the monitor I don't know what it is called-like a ultrasound machine was used to view his ears-none of my other dog had or have ever had ear mites. 5.Elvis was covered in flea poop on arrival-no live fleas but their pop was all over his body after a through exam. I messaged you how beautiful he was (that part is true) while looking at him in the kennel he was shipped in. I was excited and had not thoroughly examined him-I didn't anticipate any issues, I thought you were trustworthy, and was very excited my daughter was getting the dog she wanted. 5. You claimed to solely feed one brand of food he arrived with cheap food (x's and o's in red and green colors) you claim you forgot food and had to stop and get something along the way. In the same message you complained to me about having to spend an additional $50 on a kennel to ship him in as the airline refused to ship him in the kennel you originally had him in because it was too small for him to properly move-this was the email I got after he had been sent as you vented to me about how problematic it was-I was a first time buyer I expected you to be the expert since you had ship dogs before and offered the service. 6.Elvis has arthritis, you never mentioned that. How you could have missed the loud popping sounds his little legs made when he got up after laying even for short periods of time is beyond me-perhaps with so many dogs crammed in a mobile home trailer it's hard to hear? I have since it was discovered put him on appropriate supplements and giving him the adequate care needed for an arthritic dog-sad he's so young is his age is what you said it was (yes terry did confirm it). 7. Your pepfinder listings have been requested to show the number of dogs and pups you have listed as well the complaints made by other buyers and the information in the listing-as well all of our correspondence there. 8.You claim to have told me he had dental issues, Elvis teeth have barely been saved and my first vet said she couldn't even verify his age because his teeth were so badly covered in plaque to which she determined to be of neglectful state. 9. You claim he was too large to breed yet you bred him right before sending him. 10. I will check the dates however I beleive from memory now Elvis was only with me a month or two (perhaps close to but not more than 3) before he had his first set of seizures. I contacted you by phone and email, you did respond almost immediately. You questioned me up and down and then became very blaming stating he must have gotten into something. Later claiming you didn't beleive he had epilepsy or any seizures, again leading prelude to calling me a scam artist-to get a free dog from you-something you suggested a replacement pup I initially (from the beginning of his issues) told you I would never send him back to you I just wanted and at that point really needed his medical records so we could address any previously know issues and get him treatment right away. I NEVER asked you for anything other than his previous medical records and his AKC registration limited and said I'd pay you more for the full if you wanted I even pay you whatever you wanted for these I was only concerned for his care-remember I asked if you wanted another 200, 400, 600 what amount did you want? You having twice accused me of being a scammer-that in fact is defamation and will be addressed as well. 11. After offering a replacement pup you called to tell me someone else was interested in that pup and you'd be better off selling it to them-did I still want it. We talked I told you my daughter had already named it, Prince Otis remember and bought a new kennel, bed, harness cloths etc and was very excited after having been absolutely devastated her dog was ill-Elvis. We did not know at that time what was wrong with Elvis exactly and did not know if her would live another day. I had already sent you the money for the shipment of that pup. I shouldn't have agreed on a replacement pup however I didn't understand if it was epilepsy or what epilepsy meant for a dog I wasn't sure Elvis would live much longer. You refunded that money for the shipment of the replacement pup-that was all you ever refunded me- along with a very rude email about how you got advice from fellow breeders and it was concluded it was felt this was a scam. 12. Also you felt this was a scam from the call you claimed ot have made to my vet and said you spoke to a technician there saying they were claiming my vet made statements to them about me, Elvis' test results were not what was sent to you- and I'm still unsure if you were implying my vet and the other two consulting vets were all involved in trying to scam you-you said you couldn't see the first set of records sent to you and this made you uneasy-so they were resent and you felt they were inconclusive, later you still felt they were inadequate. They (my vet) have no record of your calls you claim you made-who do I beleive my own vet or you-really?Only records are of correspondence to the vet who signed Elvis' rabies cert. and sis his flight required health exam. No other records for him as agreed ever arrived. I contacted you several times requesting them. Again please send them I will pay for them-all you have to do is agree to release them with one phone call to the vet Elvis saw all his life with you. 13. You claim Elvis was sold as a pet only this is true. That what our contract states, however it's shady to talk to me on the phone and talk about pet only means limited registration via AKC and or breeding rights being full registration and when the transfer papers never arrive you say "pet only NO PAPERS" that was just down right sneaky IMO. You are obviously well versed in being misleading. Did I not address to you how this was very misleading and I felt a violation of the agreement we had. Did I not offer to pay you for them anyways just to ensure I got them? 14. I have never gone on any slanderous internet spree, I have posted on Yorkie Talk multiple times. I'm a member here the nature of this site is sharing about our dogs, educating each-other and part of that is discussing breeders. You are not a private person rehoming, you advertise on sites as an experienced breeder with over 20 years experience. This is a business for you (hope you pay income taxes that will come up along with how many dogs you registered AKC, all your internet listings, past clients etc. your web sites history you re-emailed me about giving fair warning well there's some of which you should be prepared for-my "damages" over adopting Elvis exceed 10k just so we're are clear, I've never asked for any of that have I? I've never asked for a single penny actually. I offered to pay more just to get what we originally agreed on-true shame on me for that.)-weather you term yourself now a hobby breeder or not. You presented yourself as an expert to me from day one, you made claims indisputably and unequivocally untrue-it's very black & white, no grey-yet you defame me by outright by calling me a liar multiple times & questioning my character and accusing me of scamming you. 15. By all means everything is here in type, please when you save up for that attorney it will be right here for review. I will not preemptively start litigation-if I were of a worry some character I would use the opportunity of your lack of funds to advantage now wouldn't I? 16. Elvis will be seeing the neurologist regularly. However the law states specialist, consultations are not required-nor can I ask for damages due to their costs-I've chosen to provide Elvis s best I can with the best care not only financially btw I chose to do this rather than put him to sleep as you suggested or send him back to you-ever. 17. Elvis is thriving here both due to proper medical treatment, basic care etc. I haven't even brought up his behaviors and the changes over the time he arrived verses now. 18. Think about this, is it appropriate to send me messages making statements of "bring it" calling me a scammer, a liar, other names and things I won't post here, bring my daughter into it, and ending your threatening emails with "let the games begin"?. I won't respond to you again. Please do not contact me directly anymore. Have me served with litigation in an appropriate manner, all my contact information you have is current. Enjoy Yorkie Talk. __________________ Shan & 8 kids now!