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cindersellie · 08-25-2012, 12:13 PM

I just read through the other 3 pages of posts...I see that the breeder has had a few genetic problems before...I'm still sorry for your loss

gracielove · 08-27-2012, 02:46 PM

It is a heartbreaking experience to lose any pet. As I stated, some lose them within days of purchase while some spend hundreds and even thousands of dollars trying to keep these poor babies alive for a week, months, and sometimes years. I consider 5 years a short life span.

Buy from responsible breeders....not greeders!

EllaJoy · 08-28-2012, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarmamma

That was my thought too. Also she never bred a bitch less than THREE pounds??? I have a 3 pounder....I've seen her belly. She has no business putting pups into little bellys

I have a 3 pounder too and even though she wasn't full grown when she was spayed my vet told me that her uterus was the size of a pencil eraser and her fallopian tubes were like the pencil lead. Tinies should never be bred - I can't imagine Emma having the room for one puppy let alone more!! So sad for these puppies being bred!

McheleM · 08-28-2012, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by EllaJoy

I have a 3 pounder too and even though she wasn't full grown when she was spayed my vet told me that her uterus was the size of a pencil eraser and her fallopian tubes were like the pencil lead. Tinies should never be bred - I can't imagine Emma having the room for one puppy let alone more!! So sad for these puppies being bred!

Women's uterus is the size of an orange. It grows to accommodate the baby and then goes back down. Immediately after birth, it will be the size of a large grapefruit. The inside of our Fallopian tubes are about the diameter of about 6-8 strands of hair.

I know nothing about dogs/animals uteruses, but size wise, those seem about the same??

(ps. I'm not trying to argue or start drama, just stating what I know and looking for information/clarification)

gracielove · 08-28-2012, 08:54 PM

There are some breeds of dogs that are naturally small. Like the Maltese that has been small for thousands of years. In the last 20 years breeders have been creating a smaller size of the breed by selective breeding.
Yorkshire Terriers were also originally a small breed, meaning around 15 to 20 lbs. As breeders continue to selectively cause the breed to become smaller and smaller the organs and systems of the body become weaker and less able to withstand disease and reproduction also becomes more complicated. Since a tiny dog contains tiny reproductive organs ideally it should conceive tiny puppies but since the genetic pool carrierd by both the mother and the father contain the potential to produce much larger puppies reproduction is often difficult. A tiny may be able to conceive but has a greater potential to carry over sized pups that they cannot naturally give birth to. In human terms it would be considered a high risk pregnancy. She could go into labor prematurely. She could spontaneously abort the pups. She could bleed out and die. At the very least she would need a c-section and be unable to produce enough milk to feed a pup, should it survive. Such breeding practices are inhumane to say the very least. But people will attempt to do it in order to obtain that big price tag pup that, by the way, could grow to be a normal, or even bigger dog. A tiny dog, male or female, still carries the genes to produce normal or even over sized offspring.
This tiny dog thing is a scam. A very inhumane and cruel scam.

nanahas3 · 08-28-2012, 10:12 PM

She didnt go out of business

. Natalie's Yorkies - Yorkies For Sale, Teacup, Parti Yorkies 29 dams on her site to.

makemepretty · 08-29-2012, 03:50 AM

I didn't mean to resurrect an older thread. I just stumbled upon it when I was looking to see if anyone else had any health problems.

Years ago, her puppies were at a premium price($4,000 plus) and there were no reports that I could find of anything wrong with them. Searching lately though I have found giardia, liver shunt, two AAI, kennel cough, ringworm, not breeding quality when purchased for that purpose or larger than promised and deaths.

A healthy dog should not live to be only 5, especially when it is well taken care of. I think I feel better knowing that how well I took care of her is probably why she even lived that long.

I'm not mad, I'm sad. I don't want this to happen to any other owner. You should have a long happy life together. The hole in our family right now is physical as well as emotional. I hope someone who is looking to purchase a puppy will learn from this thread.

Sweet Girls · 08-29-2012, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by nanahas3

She didnt go out of business

. Natalie's Yorkies - Yorkies For Sale, Teacup, Parti Yorkies 29 dams on her site to.

Ok, I feel nauseous, I just checked out her site...she is running a SALE....how do puppies go on sale??????

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wisteria · 08-29-2012, 04:59 AM

How is Lily? The discussion is good but way off track. Mom is looking for a little comfort here. Hugs to Lily's Mommy!!!!

gracielove · 08-29-2012, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Girls

Ok, I feel nauseous, I just checked out her site...she is running a SALE....how do puppies go on sale??????

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She has to get money for them before they die or she has to put any money into them for vet care.

nanahas3 · 08-29-2012, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wisteria

How is Lily? The discussion is good but way off track. Mom is looking for a little comfort here. Hugs to Lily's Mommy!!!!

It is off track because it is an old thread, but the culprit is still in business

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claudia1149 · 03-15-2014, 02:43 PM

Low blood sugar is not uncommon for small pups who are stressed. There are ways to prevent and address this, and I am certain your vet can guide you. Your pups should have come with a health history, was the pup dewormed prior to your receipt? HOw many times? The low blood sugar can make you baby very ill, but medical intervention in a timely manner can make all the difference. Sometimes transitioning to a new home can cause it.

claudia1149 · 03-15-2014, 03:04 PM

I totally agree with your comments! Hypoglycemia and worms (if they exist) are not really an indication of bad breeding. It is more often a problem with new owners not reading the material sent with their pups, or not aware of what to look for to avoid low blood sugar.

08-25-2012, 12:13 PM	#61
cindersellie Tiny♥HoldsLotsOfLove Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,998	I just read through the other 3 pages of posts...I see that the breeder has had a few genetic problems before...I'm still sorry for your loss __________________ Owned by Cinders

08-28-2012, 10:12 PM	#66
nanahas3 ♥Love My Snuggle Bugs♥ Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Missouri Posts: 4,290	She didnt go out of business . Natalie's Yorkies - Yorkies For Sale, Teacup, Parti Yorkies 29 dams on her site to. __________________ *CharleneMama to Laddy and Kyra and Always in our hearts Lolita* Last edited by nanahas3; 08-28-2012 at 10:16 PM.

08-29-2012, 03:50 AM	#67
makemepretty YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Middleville Posts: 933	I didn't mean to resurrect an older thread. I just stumbled upon it when I was looking to see if anyone else had any health problems. Years ago, her puppies were at a premium price($4,000 plus) and there were no reports that I could find of anything wrong with them. Searching lately though I have found giardia, liver shunt, two AAI, kennel cough, ringworm, not breeding quality when purchased for that purpose or larger than promised and deaths. A healthy dog should not live to be only 5, especially when it is well taken care of. I think I feel better knowing that how well I took care of her is probably why she even lived that long. I'm not mad, I'm sad. I don't want this to happen to any other owner. You should have a long happy life together. The hole in our family right now is physical as well as emotional. I hope someone who is looking to purchase a puppy will learn from this thread. __________________ http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=369717

08-29-2012, 04:59 AM	#69
wisteria YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Easton, PA Posts: 593	How is Lily? The discussion is good but way off track. Mom is looking for a little comfort here. Hugs to Lily's Mommy!!!! __________________ Bella's Mom....& loving each moment!

08-27-2012, 02:46 PM	#62
gracielove YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: NY Posts: 6,582	It is a heartbreaking experience to lose any pet. As I stated, some lose them within days of purchase while some spend hundreds and even thousands of dollars trying to keep these poor babies alive for a week, months, and sometimes years. I consider 5 years a short life span. Buy from responsible breeders....not greeders!

08-28-2012, 08:54 PM	#65
gracielove YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: NY Posts: 6,582	There are some breeds of dogs that are naturally small. Like the Maltese that has been small for thousands of years. In the last 20 years breeders have been creating a smaller size of the breed by selective breeding. Yorkshire Terriers were also originally a small breed, meaning around 15 to 20 lbs. As breeders continue to selectively cause the breed to become smaller and smaller the organs and systems of the body become weaker and less able to withstand disease and reproduction also becomes more complicated. Since a tiny dog contains tiny reproductive organs ideally it should conceive tiny puppies but since the genetic pool carrierd by both the mother and the father contain the potential to produce much larger puppies reproduction is often difficult. A tiny may be able to conceive but has a greater potential to carry over sized pups that they cannot naturally give birth to. In human terms it would be considered a high risk pregnancy. She could go into labor prematurely. She could spontaneously abort the pups. She could bleed out and die. At the very least she would need a c-section and be unable to produce enough milk to feed a pup, should it survive. Such breeding practices are inhumane to say the very least. But people will attempt to do it in order to obtain that big price tag pup that, by the way, could grow to be a normal, or even bigger dog. A tiny dog, male or female, still carries the genes to produce normal or even over sized offspring. This tiny dog thing is a scam. A very inhumane and cruel scam.

03-15-2014, 02:43 PM	#72
claudia1149 Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2010 Location: East Moline, Il. USA Posts: 23	Low blood sugar is not uncommon for small pups who are stressed. There are ways to prevent and address this, and I am certain your vet can guide you. Your pups should have come with a health history, was the pup dewormed prior to your receipt? HOw many times? The low blood sugar can make you baby very ill, but medical intervention in a timely manner can make all the difference. Sometimes transitioning to a new home can cause it.

03-15-2014, 03:04 PM	#73
claudia1149 Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2010 Location: East Moline, Il. USA Posts: 23	I totally agree with your comments! Hypoglycemia and worms (if they exist) are not really an indication of bad breeding. It is more often a problem with new owners not reading the material sent with their pups, or not aware of what to look for to avoid low blood sugar.