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11-29-2010, 10:13 AM | #46 |
Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California
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| I'm rather confused as to why this thread has turned into a battle of wits, amongst a group that has the best interest of the dogs. Bottom, line is we share opinions, do what is best for our dog, based on our immediate circumstances, as long as the dog's health isn't jeopardized. If one chooses not to register a dog, because it is later found out the breeder was of a questionable reputation, I understand. However, look at it from another aspect, unless you do register a dog, and something out of the ordinary turns up, you have no course of action.
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11-30-2010, 03:56 AM | #47 |
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| There is a misconception that there is value is akc stock. While that may be true years ago this is no longer the case. One can have purebred akc pets with the registration papers yet still have a yorkshire that looks like a different breed. Look for the right pedigree, its more important than the rest. How can you do this without trusting the breeder? |
11-30-2010, 03:57 AM | #48 | |
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#2 -- Wasn't sure you understood registration. Talking about your mixed breed dog Scoobers, you said you wished he had his registration and then in another post said that you had framed his papers framed on the wall. I simply said what I felt about non-AKC papers (if that was what you were contemplating). #3 -- False -- I am sure others can count here too. #4 -- False -- You have got to be kidding! This is so not true!! You mentioned in another thread of being the type of person who always wants to be in control -- but you cannot twist facts to gain control. See this post http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/3342326-post49.html for an example of just the opposite of what you describe. You argued with my posts over whether the back of a pickup was cargo area; you argued over how many states had no restrictions on riding in the back of a pickup; you even argued over who posted a link for goodness sake. I only answered when you challenged my words. I have no idea what other forums you are talking about. I just spent way too long going back through all of my posts and I only found those 2 threads of any contention with you. #5 -- False -- I have given no opinion of you in any forum. #6 -- I never thought of anyone that had been a member for over a year as new or only here a short while. If your greeting is sincere, I appreciate it and wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. I did ask to get this thread back to the topic, but then you posted new acusations that needed addressed. I have a proposal -- if you want to accuse me of anything further or if you wish to continue "not arguing" pls do so in a PM so we will not continue to disrupt this thread. I contemplated walking away from these ridiculous acusations, but felt I was almost honor-bound to answer. ----------------------------------------------- I apologize to Lorraine for answering these latest accusations in this thread. It pains me to have made a travesty of your thread. I would like to continue the topic you started. I still cannot imagine any ethical reason for a breeder to withhold registration applications IF she had registered a litter. I now see that there is the possibility that either one litter or another, may not have been registered. I cannot imagine why a breeder would risk her reputation and future with the AKC by falsifying records. The profit margin increase has to be minimal for doing it wrong over doing it right. So why not take the high road and just follow the rules? I would NOT pay purebred price without a registration application to serve as what little verification there is that they are indeed the progeny of parents listed. I think there were several issues at hand in the For Sale ad that prompted this thread. I was surprised, especially for a YTCA member. But just because the Code of Ethics are there, I suppose does not mean that all actually adhere to them. Wish it were so. For people who already have bought their dog, whether they send in the application to get the registration is up to them. I do like having mine. I like having a record of ownership and history. I like supporting the AKC. Even though I think the AKC has not been as selective in bonds they have made with other organizations and businesses, I think they are the best we have. So, we need to support them, and work to get them to keep improving. They did bow to membership pressure and cancel their contract with Petland (which is supplied by the Hunte corporation -- the largest comglomeration of puppymills!). But this is just my opinion and doesn't mean others should all do the same as me. I hope we can all have a wonderful holiday season. We are having quite a storm front coming through (lots of tornados) and I have been watching it all night (no sleep again). I am glad I procrastinated in putting the outside decorations up. At least they are not getting blown away. But I hope this tempest can also symbolize blowing away all the ill wind here and starting anew.
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11-30-2010, 04:12 AM | #49 |
Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California
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| In agreement with Deb. If one is purchasing a purebred dog, one should expect the paper work confirming the validity of said dog. Keeping in mind that this doesn't guarantee quality of the dog or the integrity of the breeder. I don't know how many times I've received phone calls asking about such and such breeder that advertises in the AKC classifieds.....They under the misconception that all breeders that are AKC are reputable, most of them are, but some aren't. Again, it boils down to one doing their homework.
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11-30-2010, 04:18 AM | #50 | |
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Just looking on our own YT -- there are every imaginable variation of yorkies! Some fox-like, some teddybears, some without proper colors, some with curly hair, some with coarse hair. My Maggie was short, squat, curly, narrow set eyes, and a smooshed-in face. All cute and lovable but some so far from what a yorkie should look like. Some have strayed a very long way from the genetic pool established long ago. I think purposely mixing breeds is one of the big culprits too! Mixed litters usually have one or two that look pretty much like a yorkie. I wonder how many of those wind up getting papers from the non-AKC registries and then someone breeds them. The puppies from those matings may look like yorkies but straying even further from the standard. I wonder too how many litters are born of multiple sires or at least the wrong sire and then the puppies, if they look enough like a yorkie, are registered. Sometimes when too many off colors show up, I think some are trying to pass them off as Parti-colors. I have seen such a huge variation n the quality of Parti-Color yorkies. Some do look yorkie in all respects but color, but others look like someone got in the woodpile!! I have seen on this forum someone with a limited registration saying they had bred their dog! If someone admits that here, how many are doing it!???? Some of those were put on Limited registration to prevent them from passing on undesireable looks or traits. But people will screw with the system and there goes the standard. I just do not understand. I think sometimes people will do it illegally even when it may be harder that way! I do not know what the answer is other than to require more DNA testing. But that too needs to be improvd so that the results are more reliable and tell more details.
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11-30-2010, 04:24 AM | #51 | |
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11-30-2010, 05:44 AM | #52 | |
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Puppy prospects should seek a yorkie that will look like one. You aren't going to get that or a healthy dog just because you have akc registration. AKC is the only registration to consider in the US. It's important for reputable breeders to keep up with liters. Limited registration does not stop people from breeding. It should, but there are many should's here. | |
11-30-2010, 06:02 AM | #53 | |
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11-30-2010, 06:45 AM | #54 | |
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Moving on, enjoy reading your posts-really informative, I continue to read this forum to hear everyone's points of view. Kind of let down feeling that the AKC doesn't have more influence over even their own AKC registered kennel and such. My Yorkie Elvis is AKC registered-not sure how all this works though considering he's Parti (and his registration never showed up with him so he's not registered with me and I've never had the paperwork in my hands) he was bred by someone whom has a reputation for having bred genetically ill dogs continually, Elvis came to me from a secondary party whom had initially adopted him from the breeder and then needed to re-home him, unfortunately she too turned out to breed quite unethically (wish I'd known all this before but then again I wouldn't have my Evlie-roo)-what a disaster though he has seizures, joint issues, bad teeth, and both these breeders are AKC certified and seem to really rely on the ability to hide their ways behind their AKC certification front. Unfortunately it seems you don't realize a lot of things until after the fact in cases like this. I assumed initially that getting a dog from an AKC registered breeder meant more in the standards departments and was told there were certain guarantees and warranties...well there are but having these and having the ability to enforce them is another issue. Personally I still believe in the AKC ideal though, their standards and support their efforts-wish there was a way to give them more power, authority, and control over enforcement and such. Is there a way that's possible? Or even when it comes to AKC breeders is it still really "buyer beware"? | |
11-30-2010, 06:53 AM | #55 | |
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It is sad that it is buyer beware, I'm not sure that will every correct itself, our world is an imperfect world, and the root of all evil is money.
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11-30-2010, 08:56 AM | #56 | |
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11-30-2010, 11:30 AM | #57 |
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| I did buy Selphie's Pedigree, and it only cost me $34.00 for registration in my name and for the 5 generation pedigree...where did the $80 come from? The late fee is only $35, so it would go up to $69 if you wanted the pedigree; but you do not have to to get that. If you do not want the pedigree it would cost you $55.
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11-30-2010, 12:39 PM | #58 | |
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