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Old 11-11-2010, 12:33 PM   #1
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I have never had Nicky neutered, He is 8.30 pounds and from what I have read online is that little dogs and being put under don't always mix too well and they don't make it out of the surgery. Do they mean the little dogs that are a pound or less or is that all little dogs that are 8 pounds or smaller. I have had Nicky to his vets and he said that he was the picture of health and he could stand to gain a pound or two, that getting him fixed. That SAME day when I called before his check up to ask about getting him fixed, she said it is always very risky with small dogs. So that alone scared me!

My sister said that they fix cats and kittens all the time and you rarely hear of them passing on because of it. I was like yea that is true, never really thought of that, a small animal is a small animal right? My sister then said, ANY surgery weather you are human or animal is risky!!

Just the thought of loosing Nicky devistates the life right out of me!! I CAN'T STAND it when people tell me "He's just a dog!" to me that's like saying, "He's just a human!" My boys are MORE then "JUST A DOG" They are and always WILL be my heart my soul and nothing more or less!! They are a part of me I am a part of them!!

I am sure I will get some saying that I am a horriable dog owner that I should have had him fixed the second I knew I wasn't going to use him to breed... All I can say is Well maybe I should have... Nicky isn't really all that old he will be 2 next month and SURE I could have done it when he was 6 months old ( according to my vet ) I just don't know what to do...

PLEASE remember that I am asking for your input, NOT your opinion on weather I am a bad dog mama or not!! Keep in mind that Nicky IS still young, granted he isn't 6 months old like he should have been neuterd at but he is still young!! It isn't like I am comming in here asking about a dog I have had for 10 years... YES I am parinoid about people bashing me, I have had it done to me before in here... Part of the reason I left the first time!!
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Old 11-11-2010, 12:38 PM   #2
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Ally was only 3 lbs and Tia was 4 lbs 2 oz when they were spayed/baby teeth removed. No problems.
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I have two boys, Bailey was around 3lbs when he was neutered, Jesse was less then that, he is only 3lbs now at 2 years. They both did fine
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No bashing here. Its your decision whether or not you neuter your dog. There is some risk to any surgery its true but vets do this all day long all the time to many animals. You can minimize the risk by having presurgery bloodwork done which would tell if there was a problem with some organ that is would not be good to have the anesthesia. I believe the benefits outweigh the risk but I can fully understand your reluctance. Im getting ready to have my cat spayed and I will be nervous untill she is out and home and okay.
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Sorry you had such a bad experience the first time, and, I hate to disappoint you, but I've got to tell you I think you are a very good mama! You are trying to learn what best for your particular dog, and that's good! I've got to say, that I'm a little disappointed when receptionists give out medical advice. They know a little something, but sometimes a "little" knowledge is a dangerous thing. Truth is, your sister is right, it's always risky whenever they use anesthesia, and small dogs need to only use certain types of anesthesia, so if anything goes wrong the doctor can help them immediately. So it's important for your doctor to use the anesthesia best for toy breeds.

Eight months is a great time to neuter, most of the adult teeth are in, and the vet can pull baby teeth that haven't come out on their own. The bad thing about waiting much longer then 8 months is that the longer testosterone is in their system, the more likely they are to mark, and once established, marking is hard to eliminate. You have to ask yourself, what causes the most risk, anesthesia, or not neutering? I think the major factor for me in deciding to neuter Joey was the fact that the majority of deaths in male dogs is because of injuries due to car accidents. I know Joey was much more likely to run away before he was neutered. I can now open the front door without panicking. Male dogs can smell a female in heat 10 miles away, and they have a need to find her. If you neuter your boy now, he'll stay the same dog you've always known, instead of changing into an adult male! So neutering is safe, if your doctor is familiar with toy breeds and uses the proper anesthesia. Also, many people recommend getting a blood panel before so that you can rule out other problems that might show up during surgery. Best of luck!
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Sorry you had such a bad experience the first time, and, I hate to disappoint you, but I've got to tell you I think you are a very good mama! You are trying to learn what best for your particular dog, and that's good! I've got to say, that I'm a little disappointed when receptionists give out medical advice. They know a little something, but sometimes a "little" knowledge is a dangerous thing. Truth is, your sister is right, it's always risky whenever they use anesthesia, and small dogs need to only use certain types of anesthesia, so if anything goes wrong the doctor can help them immediately. So it's important for your doctor to use the anesthesia best for toy breeds.

Eight months is a great time to neuter, most of the adult teeth are in, and the vet can pull baby teeth that haven't come out on their own. The bad thing about waiting much longer then 8 months is the longer testosterone is in their system, the more likely they are to mark, and once established marking is hard to eliminate. You have to ask yourself, what causes the most risk, anesthesia, or not neutering? I think the major factor for me in deciding to neuter Joey was the fact that the majority of deaths in male dogs is because of injuries due to car accidents. I know Joey was much more likely to run away before he was neutered. I can now open the front door without panicking. Male dogs can smell a female in heat 10 miles away, and they have a need to find her. If you neuter your boy now, he'll stay the same dog you've always known, instead of changing into an adult male! So neutering is safe, if your doctor is familiar with toy breeds and uses the proper anesthesia. Also, many people recommend getting a blood panel before so that you can rule out other problems that might show up during surgery. Best of luck!
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There is nothing wrong about waiting to neuter a healthy male if that is belived to be best for that particular dog.

Not sure who said it is very risky, but I hope it wasn't the vet! Truth is, anesthesia carries risks like all other drugs. Most animals do just fine (including small ones). Anesthetic protocol is very important. I'm really not sure why it's all over the internet that small breeds have such a problem. There are large breeds that have just as many problems with it...

I know it looks scary because usually people post on YT when they have a problem. There are many more that don't.
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I was a wreck when Zoe got spayed 3 weeks ago. I totally understand he is not "just a dog". It kills me when people say that.

I researched many vets and I found one I was really comfortable with. She insisted on the pre-anesthesia blood work, which really eased my mind. I read a lot of info and asked a lot of questions about what type of anesthesia they use and how she would be monitored. It made me feel better, but I was still a complete mess. The vet was sooooo nice and called me right before she started and as soon as she was finished. I think I wouldn't have done it if I didn't find her. Zoe did fabulous and she only weighs 3.5 pounds.

My advice is finding a vet you are completely comfortable with. For me, it meant asking for recommendations from friends and even putting an ad on craigslist for recommendations. I drove almost an hour, but it was 100 percent worth it.

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My Lila was only 3lbs 3oz (she is now up to 3lbs 8, yay!) when I had her spayed and I swear, I was just as worried as you! (I actually told every customer that came into the restaurant I work at to pray for my "baby" because she was having surgery that day, lol!) But Lila did beautifully and the recovery was a snap!

And for the record, I don't think you waiting makes you a bad mother at all! I think it makes you just as paranoid and overprotective as the rest of us crazy YT'ers!
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You can't imagine how many times I called the vet to cancel the neutering. They are going to put me away. I'm surprised they didn't hang up when they heard my voice, but they are very nice and understandng. Zach took the decision out of my hand. On the night before he was supposed to for surgery he got diarrhea really bad and there was a spot of blood in it. I called the vet and they said no way would they neuter him until his diarrhea cleared up. I have to bring him in on Saturday to have him checked out but right now he's doing fine. The next neutering date they have opened is Dec 18th so now I have over a month to think about it again. So no you are not a bad mom. Everybody feels that way.
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we all worry when our little ones need to go under for any reason. dex was about 3.5 pounds when he got neutered and i was a nervous wreck all day that day. i kept asking mysaelf why i did it, but then he came home to me and was alright....AND stopped marking all over the house! lol.

with any surgery there is risk. i am not going to tell you that it will be all right, becuase with anything, you never know. make sure you have a vet that you trust and will answer all of your questions.

if you decide NOT to have him neutered, please, be a responsible pet owner and be very cautious with him. males can smell a bitch in heat from a long way away, and will do ANYTHING to get to them. (digging out of backyards, running out of the front door, etc. you also have the possibility of having to deal with agressing behavious problems (not all males, but it is a real option) so please be prepared to seek the proper training and handling for him.

make sure you research and make the right choice for you and your guy!
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I understand your fears of anesthesia all too well. My baby is just over a year old and she has undergone anesthesia 4 times in the last 6 months for a spay, a surgery they didn't follow through with, then two leg surgeries, and she weighs just over 7 lbs. Personally, I think that is extreme. I was scared enough the first time, then the second, and third and about to squirm outta my chair this last time. I was afraid that we were eventually asking too much of her tiny body, but for her sake it had to be done. I am hoping we are done with this now for a very long time. One good thing for the little boys, it is a very quick procedure so they are not under anesthesia but a few minutes, the girls a little longer, and my dog's procedures were even longer. Even though her surgeries were pretty close together, each and every time, I requested the presurgical blood work. Woulnd't go without it.
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i never knew there was a threat with the little dogs or it would have scared me too probably. is your concern that u want to get him done now but arent sure if its too late?
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You are not a bad dog mommie because you didn't get your dog neutered. I didn't have my boy neutered til he was 3 1/2 years old when he was having a surgery of his stomach. It's scary to think of our babies having surgery.
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Angie -- I know it is always frightening to put them under for any reason. But most vets are very good with this and neutering is a surgery they do a lot of. I just had Ben done a couple months ago and he is 4 years old. He was 4 pounds and did just fine with the anesthesia. He did have a day of feeling pretty bad, and another of still being very slow to move, but by the 3rd day he was running as normal. I had his teeth done too and they had to pull some so that may have been as uncomfortable for him as the neutering was. He really did come through smoother than I imagined. The stitches were perfect, never even turned red. Came out easy as can be. I could have done it myself but I did take him back in just so they could check him over.

Think of it as adding years to his life as you are saving him from testicular cancer and also reducing his chances of getting prostrate cancer. So, you are doing it for him.

As for size -- being over 8 pounds should give you some comfort, that is pretty big for a yorkie. I am sure he will do just fine. I do recommend the pre-op blood work. I got the detailed panel that they had to send off for Ben. It helps them catch existing conditions that may be a problem with sedation. That too will give you some more reason to be at ease. I also said yes to any question that I thought might make him more comfortable, like take home pain meds.

Make sure you are confident in your vet, that he has a lot of expereince with the surgery and has not had a lot of complaints. You can check BBB, but I think the best is to just ask around. If it is a vet you have been using all along, your own opinion is probably as good as anyone. I won't tell you not to worry as all good mommas worry when a surgery has to be done. But I will tell you to try to relax, put him in God's and your Vet's hands and I am sure the little guy will be fine. It really is a pretty routine surgery. Let us know when the surgery is and we can join you in prayer and support.
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