Poppy is home!!! So i went to pick my poppy up. She was very alert on her way home and when we got home i put her in her bed in her play pen and shes went right to sleep. I then made up some lactol milk for her and mashed up some wet dog food (wainwrights) and she drank alittle milk and had about 3 mouth fulls of food and is now sleeping again. Because she was sleeping i went and had a look of the bag of goodies the breeder gave to us and i started looking through her pedigree, now i know NOTHING about what a pedigree really is so never took to much notice to this before, i just knew she had one. But i wanted to see some of the names in poppys family and opened it up. When i read the top of her pedigree paper it says she was born on Saturday 3rd July... this makes her 5WEEKS OLD!!!!!!!!! I called the breeder and he told me he has always old me she was 5weeks old but i am most certain he didnt i was thinking she was nearly 11 weeks old. He said we must have got our wires crossed and the pup will be fine and not to worry... well i am worried!! I asked my breeder so many questions before i got her and thought i'd made sure that i had all the correct info and made sure i bought the breeder first with all the millions of questions i asked him.... how could this happen?! Things are starting to make a little more sence to me, like why he gave me a seringe today and a tiny bottle and said if she does not want her milk then give her a little help with this. I thought this was strange has he told me she is already weened but thought this must be normal for tiny puppys. AND how RachelX puppy called Poppy seemed to be bigger than my Poppy both at 11 weeks old!! I thought my little girl looked a bit small. But she is the smallest out of the litter of 3 so i thought nothing of it. I am now sat panicking wondering if she is ok every time she moves or breaths. Please help me i am in tears! I will do everything and anything to make sure she is ok. 5weeks old is sooo young!!! She has an appointment at the vets first thing monday morning. She seems a healthy little pup and the breeder is being has been on the phone 100 times to me today telling me i can call him any time day or night if i needs him. I have already asked him 100 questions and he has answered all of them. I am just so worried about her being so young. I didnt want to argue with the breeder down the phone as he seems really genuine and like he really cares about the puppy, so i dont really understand why he would let her go so young? It a good job i bought EVERYTHING i need for my little girl to make sure she will be a healthy little pup. Please tell me i can make sure my little girl will be ok, tell me what to do with a pup this young. Ahhh i am so so worried. I have totally let myself down. I am devistated. I REALLY REALLY did try to get all the correct information and researched non stop about the yorkie breed before i picked my little girl, i thought i asked the breeder ALL the right questions and altho she wasnt KC registered i didnt want to breed her so i didnt mind. Shes asleep in her bed right now. keeps waking up looking around and going back to sleep. She seems fine. |
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How much does she weigh? Relax we will help you. Stay tuned I'm going to the KC site now. will look up some infor for you. Call your vet today hopefully they are open, ask to speak to the vet, explain the situation he should know what standard practice is in the UK. Will be back shortly |
She is not KC registered she is just a pedigree. My vets are closed now and tomorrow and she is going first thing monday morning. Ugh i feel sick i am so worried. |
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Okay I've sent message out to the experienced breeders on here. Hypogylcemia also known as Low blood sugar is the first concern. They can act dizzy or lethargic, lots of regular small meals. it is good you fed her when she got home. Now expect her to sleep alot she is so very young anywhere from 18 hrs a day and up. Do you know how much she weighs? Weigh her when she wakes. Small kitchen scale best but if you don't have make do with the bathroom scale. Make sure she eats every 2 hours most to 3 hours, lots of water available to her. Limit her play sessions short 10-15 minutes spend lots of time cuddling and holding her when she is awake. Keep her out of drafts, but I guess it is hot in England just like here? Also I know you have pee pads, she is way too young to go outside yet. When you get into the vet Monday put her in that lovely carrier you bought her. You will need to wake up during the night, move her xpen or crate into your room. You will need to feed her at least once during the night, and take her to her peepad. Finally would the breeder take her back until she is 12wks old? Why did he let her go so young? Do you know? |
More questions for you Okay breath in breath out relax. How far away are you from a)your breeders and b) an emergency vet hospital. Dont worry about that question, I have posted on my fridge the three nearest 24 hour emergency vet hospitals, just in case. Is Poppy still sleeping? |
Thank you so much. No the breeder wont taker her back untill she is 12 weeks old i asked and he said he didnt think it was nessary as he ''knows'' she will be fine. She just woke up again and has had a wee. I gave her some milk in the syringe she didnt really want it but she drank it lol. I then put a little nuti cal on my finger and put it in her mouth she didnt like it at all bless her. Shes now gone back to sleep. I will weigh her the next time she wakes up. I dunno why he would let her go so young... i dunno something didnt click in my brain to tell me she dont look the same as other pups who are 11 weeks old. Thank you so so much for your help xxx |
My Breeders is a long way from me. The emergancy vets is about 40miles. I dont have a car... i lend a family members car during the week and she came and collected her car from me when i got home tonight and she lives 10miles from me and she has gone out tonight. |
If the breeder genuinely cared about the puppy, he wouldn't have sold her at that age. That breeder is breaking the law!I would contact the RSPCA regarding the breeder. This is the law in England: . Breeding and Sale of Dogs (Welfare) Act 1999 Breeders who breed four or more litters per year must be licensed by their local authority. Breeders with fewer litters must also be licensed if they are carrying out a business of breeding dogs for sale. Licensed breeders must: a) Not mate a bitch less than 12 months old. b) Not whelp more than six litters from a bitch. c) Not whelp two litters within a 12 month period from the same bitch. d) Keep accurate records. e) Not sell a puppy until it is at least eight weeks of age, other than to a keeper of a licensed pet shop or Scottish rearing establishment. |
You seem to be doing the right things for your Poppy. There will be members on here with a lot more experience that can help you. Just make sure you are getting some of the milk in her - have you got that special puppy milk you can buy there - I forgot the name of it, it has been so long since I was in England, but I remember buying a pseudo mothers milk for a puppy one time. |
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Okay not to worry there are cabs there right? We will help you through this but your breeder is very involved, and not to worry you, but that tells me he is knowing that this small there are risks, but he is talking with you a lot which is a very good thing. What I suggest just for future reference call up the emergency vets and tell them where you live, and if there is a closer emergency vet to you. Explain the situation small 5wk old Yorkie, your regular vet closed till Monday, just in case is there someone closer to me? Now the Kennel Club's website seems to be down, so I've not been able to research so much as I would like (yet) Very small pups will only eat a tsp or two at a time She has wee wee'd and drank and ate, very good. |
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Im sorry that your pup is so much younger than you expected. You are doing a great job with her. Im pretty sure the biggest issues with pups so young and small is hypogylcemia.. just make sure she eats on a regular basis around the clock, dont let her play to hard, (can also lead to hypo), and let her nap when she wants to. I would continue to give her the nutri cal a couple of times of day so she doesnt have a huge drop in sugar. They can go down hill so fast when they are this little..:(... on a side note.. i was at the store today and as we were coming out there was a little girl by our van holding onto a puppy, of course I had to ask what kind and how old, it was the cutest little thing... well she told me it was a st. bernard pup and I was shocked because i hadnt seen one that small before, then she went on to say that he wasnt quite 5 weeks old :mad: yet the breeder sold him because the mom wasnt feeding them anymore...:thumbdown I was so mad, even for large breed dogs that is too early to be away from the mom.. because the little girl was younger than 10 i didnt want to scare her with all the info I wanted to tell her, so I said please take extra care of him and walked away..:(.... then she put him in her van, didnt lock it and ran into the store....ugh.. why is it so hard for people to understand.. that puppies arent toys...:( |
Just another thought. When you call the vet on Monday, see if he/she will come out to you. Vet used to do "house calls" when I was in England at no extra charge. This would save you taking Poppy to the vet and exposing her to others. |
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Right now we get furbutt and pup through the next 24-26 hrs is most important |
Awww poor little baby ~ so young. At least you are very prepared and have resources to help you at your fingertips. Fingers crossed that everything will be fine. I'm sure you are scared cause I was scared when Lucy came home; she was soo tiny! And she was 12 weeks old. Stay calm. You can do this. |
Thanks you all, yes i have special puppy milk she has had some, Its called Lactol. i also have nutri cal, she is fast asleep on me right now. i dunno how i will sleep tonight for worry. There is a vet on call 4 hours at my vets who is 5mins from me, so i know if i need them i can call them. how much milk each day does she need? I have mashed up wet dog food for her to eat is this ok? She keeps having little puppy dreams in her sleep is this normal. oh with all my worrying i forgot to say shes totally beautiful.... really GORGEOUS. |
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Here's what you need to do. Mix up Canned Goat's milk with equal parts of distilled water with a bit of Karo add a bit of Baby Rice Cereal to it to make it a bit thicker but still lap it. It should be given to the pup at room temperature. Give this to her at least 5 times a day. |
So sorry you didn't get what you bargained for. But you've got the advantage of being more prepared than most yorkie owners by virtue of all the research you've been doing before she came home. When we picked up Scarlett from the rescue, we were told she was 8 weeks- turns out she was probably closer to 6 and had no teeth! It was a scary first week without a doubt. First off, how is she doing eating? I'm sure you already have nutrical available, but you might want to have the things ready to in case you need to resort to a forumla feeding. The breeders here recommended I mix equal parts canned goats milk and distilled water with a dollop of karo syrup in it. Scarlett also really liked baby rice cereal mixed with the formula until her teeth started coming in. If she won't drink the forumula, you may need to syringe feed her. Keep play sessions short, no more than 10-15 minutes. Keep her warm and out of drafts- they chill of quickly. At 5 weeks, she still may need help peeing and pooing. A warm cloth to the bottom after feeding can help stimulate her to go. Let me go see if I can find my thread with some of the other advice the breeders gave me. BRB. |
Oops- Mardelin was typing the same time I was. Listen to her. She's awesome! |
If Poppy is having nice puppy dreams I would think she is doing OK:) |
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Thanks Mary so glad you got back online. It's a certain relief to me that the experienced breeders are here! |
Is there any action you can take against the breeder? Here it is illegal to sell a puppy under the age of 8 weeks old. At 5 weeks old she can't eat solid food completely yet as her teeth are not developed. You can add some water to the kibble and let it set until it gets mushy and then mash it up for her. She should be able to eat this pretty good. Don't give her any milk unless it is a formula as it will mess up her digestive system and her bowels will get runny. You can add formula to her puppy mush as well. Make sure she is eating every few hours. Make sure she stays warm. Make sure she is pottying regularly as well. Do not give her nutrical unless you honestly believe she needs it. Giving nutrical on a daily basis can actually cause them to go into a sugar shock. It is only to be used when necessary. If she isn't eating then you can give it to her. At this stage in her life she will sleep more than anything and she will tire quickly so keep her play time very short. Do not let her around any other dogs and do not set her on grass or even the floor at the vet's office. At this age with no vaccinations she can easily catch something. 5 weeks is even too young to start vaccinations, they are started at 8 weeks old. I'm sure she will be alright. Just make sure she is eating and potting regularly and is kept warm. |
Thank you, i have proper lactol milk which is for puppies who dont have a mother so i dunno if this would be ok instead of goats milk? she went for a wee before but has now gone back to sleep.... on me i wanna feel her breathing. she has a few teeth coming through at the back. i have nutri call what size dose do i give her? sorry about all the questions, thank u so much for ur help. xxxx |
yes she is having puppy dreams lol. i have gave her nothing but lactol milk and mashed up puppy food. i think i will ask the vet to come out to me on monday i dont want her going anywhere this young :( ugh cant thank you all enough xx |
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Alright translation for american terms Caro/Karo syrup is Corn Syrup. I would use maple syrup if you have some. I've asked Beamers Mom who lived in England where you could get canned goats milk once shops open. Actually not sure if shops in England open on Sunday, but Monday should be okay. |
Furbutt try the Waitrose at Wentorth Park for the goats milk. I believe that is near you :) |
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Don't ask for Karo in England - there it is a barley drink - coffee substitute LOL. Closest may be Tate and Lyle's Golden Syrup. |
Ok thank you i shall go and get some tomorrow. I have just weighed Poppy and she is 1lb 3oz she didnt like me weighing her and did what i think was a growl lol it sounded cute. Shes back in her bed asleep now. I am so worried about her. She aint eaten or drank anything in 3 hours will she be ok? I keep trying to give her milk but she does not want any and keeps turning her head away? She is having alot of puppy dreams lol |
Another thought on the Goats Milk - is the Hexham Farmers Market open tomorrow??? Maybe one of the farmers there has goats milk? |
Hugs to you and Poppy as you get through this. Best Wishes!!! |
Poppy is lucky to have a mama like you to take care of her. |
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