Kobe has a brother! Don't be mad!

[Ivy Lucille]

I don't normally post in these kinds of threads but I have been absolutely fuming all day about it. Not because Kobe's Mom had a heart and felt compassion for this dear little guy who appeared to be heading for a life of harsh reality but because she came here for support and was blasted first off. It just sickened me. I have typed a post a couple of times today to this thread but deleted them until I gave myself a chance to cool down. One is very naive to think that if the puppies don't sell, there won't be room for more---------seriously??? Sure, maybe in a rose colored world but I have news for you honey, older puppies "disappear" and it ain't pretty. I agree that this was definitely a rescue. I would have done the exact same thing. Kudo's to the OP! There have been a lot of supportive posts in this thread and for that I am grateful. That is what YT is about... should be about. My prayers go out to "Monday's shipment "

So congrats on the new baby!!! I can't wait to see pictures of your new little angel!!!!!

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by Ivy Lucille

I don't normally post in these kinds of threads but I have been absolutely fuming all day about it. Not because Kobe's Mom had a heart and felt compassion for this dear little guy who appeared to be heading for a life of harsh reality but because she came here for support and was blasted first off. It just sickened me. I have typed a post a couple of times today to this thread but deleted them until I gave myself a chance to cool down. One is very naive to think that if the puppies don't sell, there won't be room for more---------seriously??? Sure, maybe in a rose colored world but I have news for you honey, older puppies "disappear" and it ain't pretty. I agree that this was definitely a rescue. I would have done the exact same thing. Kudo's to the OP! There have been a lot of supportive posts in this thread and for that I am grateful. That is what YT is about... should be about. My prayers go out to "Monday's shipment "

So congrats on the new baby!!! I can't wait to see pictures of your new little angel!!!!!

I have to disagree with you on two fronts.
1) The negativity is coming from both sides. I went back and counted 52 posts were supportive of the op, and 10 were heavily opinionated that what she did was wrong. There are some that are neither here nor there also. Just because you're supporting the OP doesn't mean you're not being negative also. Just something to think about.

2) Yes, by buying from a pet store you are just supporting puppymills and acknowledging that what they are doing is a-ok by you. When someone is selling something, any type of product, by purchasing you are creating a demand. By creating a demand, you are telling them to produce more to meet that demand. So yes, purchasing from a pet store is adding to the problem. If we don't create a market for puppy mills and pet stores to exist, they won't be there. Simple supply and demand. Yes it sucks to be speaking about living, breathing creatures as products, but that's what they are in the eyes of millers, pet stores, and greedy BYBers.

Having said that. I would have done the exact same thing as the OPer if in the exact situation. I would have taken the pup, and re-homed it probably. (I can't afford a second at the moment) One thing is for sure, I could not just sit back and let some stupid kids pool their money together to buy a baby making machine. They were not purchasing a pet, or adding to their families, they were purchasing a product.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

I have to disagree with you on two fronts.
1) The negativity is coming from both sides. I went back and counted 52 posts were supportive of the op, and 10 were heavily opinionated that what she did was wrong. There are some that are neither here nor there also. Just because you're supporting the OP doesn't mean you're not being negative also. Just something to think about.

2) Yes, by buying from a pet store you are just supporting puppymills and acknowledging that what they are doing is a-ok by you. When someone is selling something, any type of product, by purchasing you are creating a demand. By creating a demand, you are telling them to produce more to meet that demand. So yes, purchasing from a pet store is adding to the problem. If we don't create a market for puppy mills and pet stores to exist, they won't be there. Simple supply and demand. Yes it sucks to be speaking about living, breathing creatures as products, but that's what they are in the eyes of millers, pet stores, and greedy BYBers.

Having said that. I would have done the exact same thing as the OPer if in the exact situation. I would have taken the pup, and re-homed it probably. (I can't afford a second at the moment) One thing is for sure, I could not just sit back and let some stupid kids pool their money together to buy a baby making machine. They were not purchasing a pet, or adding to their families, they were purchasing a product.

Great post!

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

I have to disagree with you on two fronts.
1) The negativity is coming from both sides. I went back and counted 52 posts were supportive of the op, and 10 were heavily opinionated that what she did was wrong. There are some that are neither here nor there also. Just because you're supporting the OP doesn't mean you're not being negative also. Just something to think about.

2) Yes, by buying from a pet store you are just supporting puppymills and acknowledging that what they are doing is a-ok by you. When someone is selling something, any type of product, by purchasing you are creating a demand. By creating a demand, you are telling them to produce more to meet that demand. So yes, purchasing from a pet store is adding to the problem. If we don't create a market for puppy mills and pet stores to exist, they won't be there. Simple supply and demand. Yes it sucks to be speaking about living, breathing creatures as products, but that's what they are in the eyes of millers, pet stores, and greedy BYBers.

Having said that. I would have done the exact same thing as the OPer if in the exact situation. I would have taken the pup, and re-homed it probably. (I can't afford a second at the moment) One thing is for sure, I could not just sit back and let some stupid kids pool their money together to buy a baby making machine. They were not purchasing a pet, or adding to their families, they were purchasing a product.

and i wanted to add that if you look into this thread you will see that even I, though i do not agree with the choice, do support and thank this person for taking on this puppy and caring for him. he needs her and she's going to be a good mommy to him. he is in a better place. what i am trying to make people realize is that if all of us walked into every pet store in this nation and felt sorry for a puppy or overheard someone wanting to give a puppy a less than desirable home, and bought these poor babies in the pet store windows, then we aren't stopping them from refilling their stock, we are adding to their customer list. i can't say i wouldn't break down and get him out of there either. maybe I would...but you know what i wouldn't step foot in front of, near, and defin. not inside a pet land EVER. i hate that place so much, walking by it in the mall makes me sick inside and i just don't understand the logic of even going in there at all. it doesn't teach anyone around you that you hate pet stores, everyone in the store that day thinks that you support pet stores and are just another puppy shopper...so now that you have him, spread the word about pet stores. tell them why you got him out of there and tell them how awful petland is...don't allow the situation to be that you were a pet store buyer, turn it around and show the world why you had to rescue him and what kind of things go on in those stores and where the puppies come from. and for others out there. just don't go inside those places. fight all you can to shut them down forever, then we don't have to worry about our hearts leading us to purchase and rescue puppies from pet stores, but rather we shut them all down forever and stop the need to supply them.

[wemple2]

Wow, there sure are a whole lot of passionate people here on YT, me included. I am too soft hearted to take a chance and even step foot into these types of stores. I know myself well enough to know that I too would want to "save" them all, which I know is not the right thing to do. I just cringe when I hear someone say they got their new puppy from a pet store, or even worse from someone selling them out in the parking lot. But I don't know what to say to these people, they are thrilled with the newest member of their family, who am I to make them feel guilty about their purchase. So I meekly act happy for them and try to change the subject. On the other hand I am the first to tell a prospective buyer to beware, know who they are buying from and to not support BYBers and puppy millers. I guess I sound two faced, but what's done is already done...and what is not done yet can be prevented.
That being said, now that you have already bought this little guy, I wish you and him well. May you have many happy years together and many memories to make.

[susan lynn]

Good for you for saving this puppy from who knows what. I pray this puppy will have a healthy long life. I could have never walked out of there without this puppy especially knowing kids were going to buy him for breeding to make a quick buck. This baby has probably always been in a cage and now has a loving home.

[Ringo1]

I just want to point out that the vast majority of posters DID offer their support and congratulations to the OP, and acknowledged that they might feel the same way in that situation.

[terlis]

I appreciate everyone being so passionate about shutting down puppy mills. I am vegan and am wondering if anyone has given any thought to any of the other animals that are bred and sold for slaughter to put meat on the table. Pigs, cows, chickens and other animals are brutalized, tortured and slaughtered so millions of people can enjoy their t-bone or McDonalds hamburger. People do not require meat for survival. My own family, and most of my friends are not vegan or vegetarian. It is hard to get away from animal products when you have spent most of your life being told you need those things for your health. An outright lie by the way. Don't want to start a war here, so please don't take this the wrong way.
I am just curious about how people can feel so passionate about only some animals and how they justify it.

[Ringo1]

I hear what you are saying. I guess I just try not to think about it. I get so mad at my guy friends who are hunters but, in actuality, they are probably a lot less cruel than what happens at some meat processing plant.

I don't know a good answer. I'm more opposed to the mass production and the way animals are treated than someone who hunts and then eats the meat.

[DvlshAngel985]

Ringo that's a great way of putting it! Terlis, you might want to start your own thread to get more answers to your specific question.

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by terlis

I appreciate everyone being so passionate about shutting down puppy mills. I am vegan and am wondering if anyone has given any thought to any of the other animals that are bred and sold for slaughter to put meat on the table. Pigs, cows, chickens and other animals are brutalized, tortured and slaughtered so millions of people can enjoy their t-bone or McDonalds hamburger. People do not require meat for survival. My own family, and most of my friends are not vegan or vegetarian. It is hard to get away from animal products when you have spent most of your life being told you need those things for your health. An outright lie by the way. Don't want to start a war here, so please don't take this the wrong way.
I am just curious about how people can feel so passionate about only some animals and how they justify it.

I come from a family of hunters and my own father is a full-time state and federally licensed taxidermist. I can tell you the God's honest truth, we may be meat eaters and we may hunt and kill our food, but that doesn't make me any less of an animal lover. I know for a person in your shoes who feels that strongly about not killing/eating/using ANY animal that there is nothing I will ever be able to say to make you understand my point of view no different than anything you say to change mine, but i did want to say that for our family, without the ability to hunt and farm, we would have a lot of hungry winters. We don't make much money and just about everything on the dinner table at my house was home grown or hunted. We can't afford to buy all of our food in the grocery store.

As for hunting, we repectfully take the life of each animal and we use every part of it's meat when we take it. My father taught me that if you cannot make a clean kill in one shot, don't shoot. Basically we take our food in the most humane possible way.

I am from the standpoint that people ARE meant to eat meat and that certain animals were put here by God for our use. Biblically humans have always eaten meat and that is how I believe it was meant to be.

As for mass production chop house and slaughtering, that I'm not so in agreeance with. I hate seeing those videos of tortered animals. There is no reason to be cruel to an animal in the last few seconds of their live. Make a clean solid kill and use the product in every way possible without wasting. But i hate those that mass kill and are torturing in the process that is NOT ok. Local farmers don't act like that and i think mass producers are taking away from the respect and the livelihoods of many small town farmers who raise and slaughter with respect their livestock.

that's my two cents on this topic which is far from the original topic, but i had to counter your opinions with my own.

[terlis]

Sorry for taking this off topic. Mod could you please move my posting to another thread if possible. Didn't men to highjack.
I completely understand about having to put food on the table in any way necessary. I did eat animal products most of my life and came from a family of hunters myself. Didn't mean to offend anyone if I did. Sorry again.. Please do not respond to my post in this thread.

[nana911]

Gotta say, had I overheard the same conversation in the parking lot, and saw the price of that little guy, I would have done the exact same thing.
I'm pretty sure that Kobe's mom wouldn't even have gone inside the pet store if she hadn't heard them talking about the puppy.

Anyway. Congratulations on your new rescue baby. Hope all is well when you get the vet check up.

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by terlis

I appreciate everyone being so passionate about shutting down puppy mills. I am vegan and am wondering if anyone has given any thought to any of the other animals that are bred and sold for slaughter to put meat on the table. Pigs, cows, chickens and other animals are brutalized, tortured and slaughtered so millions of people can enjoy their t-bone or McDonalds hamburger. People do not require meat for survival. My own family, and most of my friends are not vegan or vegetarian. It is hard to get away from animal products when you have spent most of your life being told you need those things for your health. An outright lie by the way. Don't want to start a war here, so please don't take this the wrong way.
I am just curious about how people can feel so passionate about only some animals and how they justify it.

You may want to look into the work done by Temple Grandin on working with animals raised for meat and just how we all that work for with them bust our tails to keep them comfortable as we can all the time even in death.

So if we do not raise them to eat and take care of them in the process what do you think we should do with them turn them loose for them to do what?

JL

[PandaGirl]

Originally Posted by susan lynn

Good for you for saving this puppy from who knows what. I pray this puppy will have a healthy long life. I could have never walked out of there without this puppy especially knowing kids were going to buy him for breeding to make a quick buck. This baby has probably always been in a cage and now has a loving home.

I absolutely understand why you feel this way, but it's not saving a puppy, it's making room for a new one. It's called perpetuating the suffering of animals . I know maybe she does not or did not mean to do that, but that is exactly what WE do when we buy from pet-stores.