Not All Vets Are Wrong

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by AllDogBoots

I would never have thought that a forum where people discuss their yorkies would be so full of drama.

lol put a bunch of women together in any situation and you have DRAMA lol Well at least we can all laugh about it lol

Now where is that man thread

[AllDogBoots]

Originally Posted by dwerten

lol put a bunch of women together in any situation and you have DRAMA lol Well at least we can all laugh about it lol

Now where is that man thread

Now, Dwerten.....that is a wise statement.

[Ringo1]

Originally Posted by jp4m2

lol....That's for sure.....Tune in tomorrow for the next episode of...... Yorkie Mama Drama......

That's what makes it fun! Sounds like a job for the DRAMA LLAMA.

That's what she said!

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Ringo1

That's what makes it fun! Sounds like a job for the DRAMA LLAMA.

That's what she said!

lol I think we need to ask admin for a new forum section called HOT TOPIC

[lillymae]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

{Have you been reading my mind lately, what the heck? First yesterday, and now today ?}

This ^^^ is pretty much what I would like to say, if my brain was up to par.

As far as canine heatlh, healthcare, protocol, nutrition, and basic information - probably 20% of what I know has come from a Vet. The other 80% has come from elsewhere, most of that online.

I've been through 5 vets since moving to Phoenix and have finally found a competent place to go. Previous to that, Wylie was misdiagnosed for...oh...6 months plus? I kept taking him in w/ symptoms and *knew* something was wrong, Vet kept saying "Nope, ALL looks normal" . I finally went to a specialist - he was finally diagnosed with Atypical Cushings, Hypothyroid, and pyoderma. Marcel has also been misdiagnosed by a different Vet.

I think it takes a very unique person with a combination of skills and values to make a *good* Veterinarian. It's a very tough career, and there are so many reasons why. I think it is an industry in which consumers have very little recourse, if any, so that makes the consumer and its patients automatically vulnerable, in my opinion. The health of the patient is absolutely not always first for some vets, that's why it's so imperative to try to choose wisely.

In my humble opinion, the onus of pet health care is shared by the owner. I feel I have to research for my pets' health wayyyyy more than I need to for my own health, or that of my family members. My degree is in Nursing, and I've worked with tons of docs, nurses, techs etc - and I feel much more confident and easy about entrusting my healthcare to my Doctors than I do my pets' healthcare to Vets. That said, Doctors and other med-pros make unthinkable mistakes every day. Human error is unavoidable.

The actual diagnosis should come from a competent Vet. It cannot be done on the internet. A patient must be seen and evaluated. The information, however, surrounding the symptoms is really where the owner can be invaluable to their pet by using the internet and other sources as tools. Forums and groups can (and have) save lives, and HELP sift through symptoms and identify possibilities of what might be going on.

Sharing experiences during a crisis or illness can't be measured, and that's where I think forums are also valuable. But the internet should never, ever be relied upon as a diagnosis - it's a place to gather information, share ideas, learn, improve your dialogue with your vet, and in the end - help you provide your pet with the BEST dang healthcare they can obtain.

As far as dosages, people need to be very careful. That said, in a true emergency where there appears to be no other available options and there is some way to help online - I would help in any way I could. I also think it is okay to share basic First Aid information and some dosages there, because that also can save a life - especially during a situation of poison, stings, etcetera.

Wow, this was really verbose...apologies.

Very Well Put, you are so rite on here.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by chachi

I think we need to stop criticizing and realize people are taking their time to help people here and focus on the positive not the negative.I have never seen the forum this divided and the # of long time members gone is incredible. If you don't want to help and all you want to do is nit pick then get out of the way so those that do help can

I agree. I'm not on like I had been for years but from what I've seen - I totally agree with this.....

People are here for advise sometimes - not a diagnosis.

It's simple common sense - you get ideas - talk to your vet and go from there. Unless someone is qualified they are not medically capable of a diagnosis or treatment online - but many have been there themselves and can 'offer' ideas and suggestions.

Then there's the personal issue - it does help someone to hear from others what they've been thru and to hear the different ideas - sometimes what a vet may not have discussed with them. So - for those that offer help - I think it's great if you have your facts and at least people here care - that helps the person facing the unknown - but it should never take the place of a vet

[ladyjane]

I said I would not come back, but I want to add some things to all of this. I was extremely busy yesterday as I am many days. I just could not be more detailed yesterday. I have pups to care for and often find myself at the vet and/or groomer. My evenings are often more open, but chances are I will be sewing or doing web updates for rescue. So...I am just not here all that much. Daily yes, but sporadically.

In my opinion, people helping and people scaring the bee gee bee's out of someone are two different things. As soon as a person says, "I don't believe your dog has that" in response to a possible diagnosis a vet has given a person, I get sick to my stomach. HOW could anyone on the internet know that a diagnosis was wrong? I see that SO much lately. And, I also see some people suggesting the same horrific diagnosis over and over for the simplest of symptoms. I just think a bit of caution should be used. Alarming people is very different from educating and sharing. I tend to be much more conservative than many, and I have been attacked for that, but I don't go and throw it in peoples' faces over and over and over and cry foul because they think I am stupid. As soon as I voice an opinion that someone does not like, I get jumped on. Countless times this has happened and some people tend to carry on so much that they get all of the attention and no one even takes the time to go back and read what really happened.

Look at yesterday....here is a perfect example: Dwerten keeps talking about a mistake I made in a Benadryl dosage. First of all.....IF it was an emergency situation (and there actually was one some time ago where I DID give the proper Benadryl dosage) then I would have assisted. It was a day LATER and I simply advised the person to double check with the vet BUT I DID tell them that if they had given the amount they suggesed that was higher than recommended. This person clearly did not understand the difference in mg and ml (cc) which is actually very common. I did NOT calculate how much they should have given. Others did...and Dwerten read that to say that I gave the WRONG amount and was being corrected. I did NOT give an amount of liquid that should have been given. People need to read and think before wrongfully accusing imo. This has been talked about quite a bit by her and finally I simply asked for the post....unbelievable that she keeps on going on about it. It was NOT incorrect...and even if it was, why did she not simply say it THEN in THAT POST? I know why. Anyone reading her posts over and over about me making a mistake will believe I did...and I did not even advise a dose...never mind do it incorrectly.

She stated in the past that she is on a mission....to make me do what she does. That, I believe, is still in a thread somewhere. I am not going to cow tow to her or anyone else.

She is free to keep on doing what she does...including trashing vets and accusing them of making errors when she has not even SEEN the tests and/or dogs .. that is just fine. I am NOT saying that doctors, vets and many other professionals do not make mistakes. Never will you hear me say that...but to continue to blast it all over without evidence in many cases...and to never say anything positive is just wrong imo. Again...my opinion! I will continue to support the veterinary profession because people need to consult with professionals. This is NOT to say I disagree with a forum giving advice and sharing....I share myself. I just don't tell everyone that vets are horrible and that vaccines are causing things that are not proven...and I would not tell people not to listen to a vet. There is a current medical issue with a pup where the poor woman has gotten so many differerent diagnosis handed to her and has said how overwhelmed she is. All I can say is if I had to KEEP coming to a forum with my pups symptoms and the vet was not figuring it out, I would be in a specialists office period. I PMd the person and recommended that...I did NOT suggest a million different scary diagnosis. I just think sometimes it is a bit much. But...again...that is why they make chocolate and vanilla. To each his own.

Bottom line...let me make this clear to all:
I am not trying to get someone banned like people surely think. I also am quite sure that many would love for me go go away. I am not here to argue and accuse...I am here to voice MY opinions. I am not leaving the S&I forum and will continue to help ONLY those that I feel I have something to offer. I am not here to save the world...nor do I much care to run a particular forum. I have way too much on my plate. I don't carry the weight of any forum on my shoulders. If any of us were to leave YT today, it would carry on. No one is so great that the world's pups will die if they are not here to advise. There is always someone to help. All of us are replaceable..that goes for any place in life. Jobs...anything. There is always someone willing to step into someone's shoes.

Wishing everyone a beautiful day. I am going out to my garage to clean...should be fun in the Texas heat and humidity. Might think I would do this in January.

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I am moving away from this thread now because I can see where it is going.

I do think that perhaps in the near future some of us with some respect for the vets who on a daily basis save our dogs' lives and those of countless other peoples' pets should perhaps start a thread about those vets and what they have done!

My dogs are alive and well today because of the care I render.....and also because of my vet. I have dealt with many different conditions in pups and still would not self diagnose and/or treat. And, if I did not have confidence in my vet, I would find another. Same thing goes for ANY profession. Some are better than others; but I still say I would rather any vet over a lay person. I have the mind to think, read and ask questions. If a vet seems to be doing something that does not sound right, I ask questions of him/her.

Thank you for an interesting thread.

OOOOOO, we should start a thread.
Can I, huh? Or are you gonna?????

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

OOOOOO, we should start a thread.
Can I, huh? Or are you gonna?????

Be my guest.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I said I would not come back, but I want to add some things to all of this. I was extremely busy yesterday as I am many days. I just could not be more detailed yesterday. I have pups to care for and often find myself at the vet and/or groomer. My evenings are often more open, but chances are I will be sewing or doing web updates for rescue. So...I am just not here all that much. Daily yes, but sporadically.

In my opinion, people helping and people scaring the bee gee bee's out of someone are two different things. As soon as a person says, "I don't believe your dog has that" in response to a possible diagnosis a vet has given a person, I get sick to my stomach. HOW could anyone on the internet know that a diagnosis was wrong? I see that SO much lately. And, I also see some people suggesting the same horrific diagnosis over and over for the simplest of symptoms. I just think a bit of caution should be used. Alarming people is very different from educating and sharing. I tend to be much more conservative than many, and I have been attacked for that, but I don't go and throw it in peoples' faces over and over and over and cry foul because they think I am stupid. As soon as I voice an opinion that someone does not like, I get jumped on. Countless times this has happened and some people tend to carry on so much that they get all of the attention and no one even takes the time to go back and read what really happened.

Look at yesterday....here is a perfect example: Dwerten keeps talking about a mistake I made in a Benadryl dosage. First of all.....IF it was an emergency situation (and there actually was one some time ago where I DID give the proper Benadryl dosage) then I would have assisted. It was a day LATER and I simply advised the person to double check with the vet BUT I DID tell them that if they had given the amount they suggesed that was higher than recommended. This person clearly did not understand the difference in mg and ml (cc) which is actually very common. I did NOT calculate how much they should have given. Others did...and Dwerten read that to say that I gave the WRONG amount and was being corrected. I did NOT give an amount of liquid that should have been given. People need to read and think before wrongfully accusing imo. This has been talked about quite a bit by her and finally I simply asked for the post....unbelievable that she keeps on going on about it. It was NOT incorrect...and even if it was, why did she not simply say it THEN in THAT POST? I know why. Anyone reading her posts over and over about me making a mistake will believe I did...and I did not even advise a dose...never mind do it incorrectly.

She stated in the past that she is on a mission....to make me do what she does. That, I believe, is still in a thread somewhere. I am not going to cow tow to her or anyone else.

She is free to keep on doing what she does...including trashing vets and accusing them of making errors when she has not even SEEN the tests and/or dogs .. that is just fine. I am NOT saying that doctors, vets and many other professionals do not make mistakes. Never will you hear me say that...but to continue to blast it all over without evidence in many cases...and to never say anything positive is just wrong imo. Again...my opinion! I will continue to support the veterinary profession because people need to consult with professionals. This is NOT to say I disagree with a forum giving advice and sharing....I share myself. I just don't tell everyone that vets are horrible and that vaccines are causing things that are not proven...and I would not tell people not to listen to a vet. There is a current medical issue with a pup where the poor woman has gotten so many differerent diagnosis handed to her and has said how overwhelmed she is. All I can say is if I had to KEEP coming to a forum with my pups symptoms and the vet was not figuring it out, I would be in a specialists office period. I PMd the person and recommended that...I did NOT suggest a million different scary diagnosis. I just think sometimes it is a bit much. But...again...that is why they make chocolate and vanilla. To each his own.

Bottom line...let me make this clear to all:
I am not trying to get someone banned like people surely think. I also am quite sure that many would love for me go go away. I am not here to argue and accuse...I am here to voice MY opinions. I am not leaving the S&I forum and will continue to help ONLY those that I feel I have something to offer. I am not here to save the world...nor do I much care to run a particular forum. I have way too much on my plate. I don't carry the weight of any forum on my shoulders. If any of us were to leave YT today, it would carry on. No one is so great that the world's pups will die if they are not here to advise. There is always someone to help. All of us are replaceable..that goes for any place in life. Jobs...anything. There is always someone willing to step into someone's shoes.

Wishing everyone a beautiful day. I am going out to my garage to clean...should be fun in the Texas heat and humidity. Might think I would do this in January.

Linda,

Don't get dehydrated cleaning out that garage.

[dwerten]

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...us-nsaids.html

Here is how I feel Linda above so you might want to read it

The bottom line is you have a problem with me helping people and whenever I do you jump in the thread and start attacking me and then you yahoo instant messenger other people to jump in and start as well as I have been informed of this as well. If you want to help then help and focus on helping and give your point of view but stop coming into to those threads for the sole purpose of attacking me because my beliefs are different than you. I respect your point of view and will always look at it with an open mind but I will not change my point of view unless it is presented intelligently without meanness. If it is logical to me then I will consider it but if it is not then i will stick to my beliefs and it is ok to agree to disagree and people can make up their own minds as we are adults and God gave us a brain to use it.

As far as the benedryl you obviously missed my point so let me try to explain it again - I do not believe in giving doseages of medication that is MY belief but you can stand by your belief it is ok and I never jump in a thread and tell you that you are wrong to do so but I am not so sure if I did it you would not be so quick to come in and tell me I was wrong for doing so like you have done to others on here. This is hypocritical to me - one thing is ok if YOU do it but not ok if others try to help as we do not do i the way you want us to. People are not always going to be controlled to do it the way you want it done. Ann has said many times no one is in charge here. It is admins site and they can choose if we are helping in a wrong way or not that is not for me to judge. I just keep helping the only way I know how to.

and as for the answer to Rhetts Mama yesterday why I do not go to vet school is because I am very successful in my career and it would be a HUGE cut in pay for me to go to school become a vet as I do loans and know what they make and I have been doing what I do for 20 years. I come on here because I have dogs with health issues and have learned alot for 6 years with my dogs with issues and try to pass that on to others. Do I do it all perfect and make sure every word is proper - probably not and probably never will as I am NOT A VET which with all this non-sense had to put it in my signature as some kept telling me it over and over so had to make it loud and clear.

I am here to help those that want help if you do not put me on ignore as I showed rhetts mama the ignore button already as she wanted to ignore me but obviously has not as feels the need to carry on about it I guess as her beliefs are not the same as mine

Read below where I have helped some including the OP so honestly you want me to stop helping is that the bottom line? Is it about control and people doing things your way or it is wrong? Do i threaten you in some way helping people here? Does it make you feel insecure if I do not agree with you? I honestly welcome when someone corrects me like rhetts mama has and she is welcome to anytime in open forum as she has done in pm's to me about opiate vs opium drugs. I will correct her as I have done about nsaids not being the main choice for drugs being used after surgery no matter what that is as I have done the poll and it is obvious.

Can we not all agree to disagree and move on and help people the best way we know how without attacking one another causing the poor person with a sick dog want to run away from here. Please go back to read the threads as many have pointed out to you that I do not start the drama. I am there helping a person and then out of no where you jump in and start attacking me and others that help in the sick and injured are tired of it and have told you this but you want to continue to do it for what? Why because I do not see it your way? You are not going to change my mind and I will not change yours as we have two totally different experiences with vets - sorry you do not live here and I do not live there as you have a wonderful vet but not every does -- just look at the holly scenario below as you ran out not answering the hard questions I asked as always. This dog did not have to endure all that testing it is ridiculous what that dog went through and she is not the only dog going through this

I hope someday we can all get back to helping people and working together not against each other as I think this would be much more constructive as we all bring alot to the table.

No one wants to come on here and hear - go to the vet as many have already been to the vet and some have had wrong things done to them like DEUCY that was pooping blood all weekend after an enema he did not need.

Patti helped someone on here the other night that was putting aneseptic on a dog with an abssessed tooth. She called right on and i provided some back up links and pics and videos and the dog got to vet and had dental when she might have just thought it was a sore. This is what this is all about.

I will say it one more time for the record - I appreciate your help LJ as you have helped my dogs with the clindamycin tablets and you talked to me on the phone when my dog threw up and i was nervous as my vet was out of town and ims was not on that day. Neither of us are bad people and we have good intentions here we just approach it differently.

Look it how you got Rorie that was not all nice nice but she is now with you and you are taking care of her so to say on here that people are scarying people it happens in more ways than one and sometimes it is for good reason as there is something serious wrong

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

OOOOOO, we should start a thread.
Can I, huh? Or are you gonna?????

sure go ahead crystal as sadly you are the reason Jodi no longer helps here because you have bashed susan davis so go right ahead and eventually it will just be you and LJ helping people so you might want to start staying up 24/7 as things happen when you are not on the computer to help people.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Be my guest.

Linda,

I've had so many people phone me with their medical questions because they don't want to post on the S&I forum. While this is flatering, I'm not a vet. I usually listen carefully, ask a few questions and forward them onto a vet. I guess some people think because I'm so involved with the breed that I'm familiar with every sickness known to the breed. Although, I've had some accuse me of having sickly dogs. I've also seen some make inuendos that their vets' have made incorrect diagnoses. Never taking in to consideration the pet owner has done everything to keep their dog alive, gone to every vet within their geographical area to get a diagnosis on a very rare disease and saved their dogs lives in doing so. This has been done because the pet owner didn't follow a person's diagnosis or advice on medical treatment.

Sad, that people are more concerned with their egos, whose on their side, how many followers they have, than the dog.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by dwerten

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...us-nsaids.html

Here is how I feel Linda above so you might want to read it

The bottom line is you have a problem with me helping people and whenever I do you jump in the thread and start attacking me and then you yahoo instant messenger other people to jump in and start as well as I have been informed of this as well. If you want to help then help and focus on helping and give your point of view but stop coming into to those threads for the sole purpose of attacking me because my beliefs are different than you. I respect your point of view and will always look at it with an open mind but I will not change my point of view unless it is presented intelligently without meanness. If it is logical to me then I will consider it but if it is not then i will stick to my beliefs and it is ok to agree to disagree and people can make up their own minds as we are adults and God gave us a brain to use it.

As far as the benedryl you obviously missed my point so let me try to explain it again - I do not believe in giving doseages of medication that is MY belief but you can stand by your belief it is ok and I never jump in a thread and tell you that you are wrong to do so but I am not so sure if I did it you would not be so quick to come in and tell me I was wrong for doing so like you have done to others on here. This is hypocritical to me - one thing is ok if YOU do it but not ok if others try to help as we do not do i the way you want us to. People are not always going to be controlled to do it the way you want it done. Ann has said many times no one is in charge here. It is admins site and they can choose if we are helping in a wrong way or not that is not for me to judge. I just keep helping the only way I know how to.

and as for the answer to Rhetts Mama yesterday why I do not go to vet school is because I am very successful in my career and it would be a HUGE cut in pay for me to go to school become a vet as I do loans and know what they make and I have been doing what I do for 20 years. I come on here because I have dogs with health issues and have learned alot for 6 years with my dogs with issues and try to pass that on to others. Do I do it all perfect and make sure every word is proper - probably not and probably never will as I am NOT A VET which with all this non-sense had to put it in my signature as some kept telling me it over and over so had to make it loud and clear.

I am here to help those that want help if you do not put me on ignore as I showed rhetts mama the ignore button already as she wanted to ignore me but obviously has not as feels the need to carry on about it I guess as her beliefs are not the same as mine

Read below where I have helped some including the OP so honestly you want me to stop helping is that the bottom line? Is it about control and people doing things your way or it is wrong? Do i threaten you in some way helping people here? Does it make you feel insecure if I do not agree with you? I honestly welcome when someone corrects me like rhetts mama has and she is welcome to anytime in open forum as she has done in pm's to me about opiate vs opium drugs. I will correct her as I have done about nsaids not being the main choice for drugs being used after surgery no matter what that is as I have done the poll and it is obvious.

Can we not all agree to disagree and move on and help people the best way we know how without attacking one another causing the poor person with a sick dog want to run away from here. Please go back to read the threads as many have pointed out to you that I do not start the drama. I am there helping a person and then out of no where you jump in and start attacking me and others that help in the sick and injured are tired of it and have told you this but you want to continue to do it for what? Why because I do not see it your way? You are not going to change my mind and I will not change yours as we have two totally different experiences with vets - sorry you do not live here and I do not live there as you have a wonderful vet but not every does -- just look at the holly scenario below as you ran out not answering the hard questions I asked as always. This dog did not have to endure all that testing it is ridiculous what that dog went through and she is not the only dog going through this

I hope someday we can all get back to helping people and working together not against each other as I think this would be much more constructive as we all bring alot to the table.

No one wants to come on here and hear - go to the vet as many have already been to the vet and some have had wrong things done to them like DEUCY that was pooping blood all weekend after an enema he did not need.

Patti helped someone on here the other night that was putting aneseptic on a dog with an abssessed tooth. She called right on and i provided some back up links and pics and videos and the dog got to vet and had dental when she might have just thought it was a sore. This is what this is all about.

I will say it one more time for the record - I appreciate your help LJ as you have helped my dogs with the clindamycin tablets and you talked to me on the phone when my dog threw up and i was nervous as my vet was out of town and ims was not on that day. Neither of us are bad people and we have good intentions here we just approach it differently.

Look it how you got Rorie that was not all nice nice but she is now with you and you are taking care of her so to say on here that people are scarying people it happens in more ways than one and sometimes it is for good reason as there is something serious wrong

I dont have time for this today...but two very quick things;

1: I do not even USE yahoo messenger...NOR do I ask people to come gang up on anyone. The only thing I can figure, since I do often see certain people come along in your support only sporadically when you are upset...is that perhaps you engage in such activity and believe that others do.

2: You and the other critics of Roriee's situation need to ask yourselves what YOU DID. Seriously. I am not going to defend myself because I do not need to do so. That dog was suffering while everyone was telling Randi NOT to surrender her...even telling her to give her lactulose...OMG ... Lactulose was a cure from what was said on one Yahoo group.... UGH NO ONE offered what was REALLY needed....a vet specialist to see that dog. DID YOU HEAR HER SCREAM?????? I did. And I will NOT continue to tell you this. You need to get off your high horse...or put your money where your mouth is. I even tried to pay a considerable amount of money to help Randi KEEP her. What did you offer? I can tell you this: The dog needed money...NOT people advised her what to give the poor suffering dog. I gave Randi another option the day before...she mentioned euthanasia and I offered to pay for that and indivdual cremation so that her ashes would be returned to her. DID YOU offer any solutions????? YES...I HAD told her I would call animal control...the dog was being neglected...not because the woman WANTED to neglect her......but none the less the dog was SUFFERING. HELLO!!! All of the armchair quarterbacks on YT need to stick to their own games. Bottom line: Roriee is fine now and no longer suffering..and you have a problem with that? WhatEVER.

Now lets just let this die. I am NOT going to stop giving my advice to people..and I know you will not. Big DEAL: Life goes on. There is room on YT for ALL opinions and ALL people. sheesh...you need to let it go .. I will stop posting now..I am busy and it will be an opportunity for you to have the last word yet again.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by dwerten

perhaps you missed this thread about holly - did not look like vet or specialists cut any costs on this testing - yet missed a simple test of an XRAY that might have saved the dog'f life --- would you let them run all those tests on your dog? Oh I am sure it was about 7k worth of testing in California and guess what - the dog died - now had an xray been done and obstruction removed - would this dog have died? I think some of us on here would have asked did they do an xray before doing and endoscopy that may have saved this dog's life

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/mem...245-holly.html

My Holly died today from lead poisoning. She was 6 months old. She has been in and out of the vet for over a month. At first they thought she had liver shunts, then encephalitis from toxoplamosis or neospora, then she got pneumonia and THEN on a chest x-ray the vet finally saw a metallic object, a lead craft weight. She endured a spinal tap, a brochoscopy and endoscopy. She had had lead poisoning all this time. Today her breathing became so irregular the vet called us in. We had been visiting twice a day. She was having seizures. We just didnt know what to do. Then she had another seizure while we were holding her and she stopped breathing. The vet gave her an injection and then she was gone. Oh how I loved her. Oh how I will miss her. So sad....So sad.

Bet she wished we scared her into an XRAY

But I am sure some will come on here and say the pet owner must be mistaken lolllllllllllllllllllllllll

can you imagine dying of lead poisoning ?

you are right mary this owner did everything she could to save her dog - what is wrong with this picture?

Oh and you were one that called me names right ?

saying I had this munchausen syndrome and why i help people with sick dogs yeah that was really nice to say to someone who has sick dogs and tries to help others