Not All Vets Are Wrong

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by AllDogBoots

My dog is 2 and we've ruled out food allergies first also. It doesn't matter how much schooling someone has. You are telling me that you are right and my vet is wrong. Again, this is why I started this thread. It was in no way directed at you when i created it but......

NOT ALL VETS ARE WRONG. You are forcing me to accept your opinion. I just don't think that is ok. You are calling my vet incompetent. You don't know her. I'm not sure why you feel the need to do that. Ok, I hear what you are saying but please don't force that on me.

I'm not 100% sure Cooper has a food allergy or a season allergy. But please don't make me feel stupid for listening to the doctor who takes care of my dog. And heaven forbid my vet happens to be wrong, which could be possible, I sure as heck won't share it here.

This is what I've been wanting to say for ages.

It's wonderful when someone wants to offer information and suggestions to help others. But it is wrong to presume that you know more than a vet about a pup's condition. All we know here on YT is what we're told in an online forum - we never see these dogs, never know their full history or even know if what the op's say is accurate. To tell a member that her vet is wrong, that you know more because of what you've read on other forums or from one of the many specialists you call is insulting and rude.

Members should offer advice, be supportive and leave it at that. They shouldn't beat members over the head with repeated posts trying to force opinions on them. Doing so is a cry for attention and a need for praise - not a true, compassionate desire to help.

Most of the members who post in the S&I forum truly love their pets and want the very best for them, yet they're made to feel incompetent, less than intelligent or incapable of taking care of their own animals if they don't follow a particular member's instructions to a tee and ignore the contradictory advice others try to offer. They're criticized for trusting their chosen medical professional and led to distrust anything their vets tell them.

This is dangerous behavior and I truly fear it will cause serious harm to someone's pup one day. The internet is not the place for the diagnosing and vet second-guessing that goes on here regularly. Someone is going to listen to a member who knows nothing about their pet over listening to their own vet and it will be a catastraphe.

In a perfect world members would simply and kindly offer concise, relevant, pertinent information. They would not insult others members vets or needlessly instill fear as I often see done here. Nor would they tell members seeking help "if you don't listen to me, whatever happens to your pup will be on your head." That is cruel and harrassing behavior that is way out of line, yet it gets said here.

Again, thanks for letting me share my opinion.

[jp4m2]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

I wanted to post but had to go back and read the OP to see what the thread is about LOL.

I am now on my third vet in 7 years and will say that I still wish I could find a better one. I think the quality of veterinary care care varies widely from vet to vet. IMO, for every truly great vet there are 10 jackasses out there.

Most vets are what you might think of as a General Practitioner and are not qualified for the truly tough cases. They should, however, be able to recognize when a dog needs more care than they can offer and refer the owner to the appropriate doctor.

My experiences with vets leave me feeling that many are not qualified for much more than doing vaccinations, fecals and dispensing preventatives. Sadly, when we need a truly great vet is when we find out our own are lacking.

As for the advice offered here at YT, I think it is valuable, especially for those people that have a not so great vet. Internet advice must be tempered, however, as none of us are seeing the dog in person and also we are depending on the poster's ability to accurately describe what's going on. I only post in the sick and injured sporadically and then only with some things I've had personal experience with but with all advice I'm very careful in what I say.

Maybe we could use a sticky in the S&I forum with a listing of recommended vets by state and why they are recommended. I know there is a place for vet reviews elsewhere, but maybe something could be posted. This may be helpful for those who have a vet that isn't all he/she should be.

lol....I couldn't agree with this more...I'm going on my 6th vet in about 5 years so I probably have to go through about 4 more to find mine.....

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by jp4m2

lol....I couldn't agree with this more...I'm going on my 6th vet in about 5 years so I probably have to go through about 4 more to find mine.....

lol yeah I am on number 5 now lol but those with dogs that are not sick just do not get it sadly but none of us escapes health issues as they age so some will see the light at some point

I mostly deal with specialists now as burned out

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by jp4m2

lol....I couldn't agree with this more...I'm going on my 6th vet in about 5 years so I probably have to go through about 4 more to find mine.....

HaHaHa...you too? Right now I'm going to a clinic that is a member of AAHA and has 8 vets on staff. Still, there is only one vet there that I will let touch my dogs. I do tend to like the larger clinics, however, as they can afford to be better equipped.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

HaHaHa...you too? Right now I'm going to a clinic that is a member of AAHA and has 8 vets on staff. Still, there is only one vet there that I will let touch my dogs. I do tend to like the larger clinics, however, as they can afford to be better equipped.

lol yep went to one of the two aaha vets in my area and they gave my dog metacam while on steroids when i asked for tramadol - check out how that should never be done on fda.gov site lolllll I trusted him though as he was AAHA vet and that was my AHA Moment about AAHA vets

ETA oh and i went to him only because he had a digital xray machine so he was better equipped alright

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by BonBon

This is what I've been wanting to say for ages.

It's wonderful when someone wants to offer information and suggestions to help others. But it is wrong to presume that you know more than a vet about a pup's condition. All we know here on YT is what we're told in an online forum - we never see these dogs, never know their full history or even know if what the op's say is accurate. To tell a member that her vet is wrong, that you know more because of what you've read on other forums or from one of the many specialists you call is insulting and rude.

Members should offer advice, be supportive and leave it at that. They shouldn't beat members over the head with repeated posts trying to force opinions on them. Doing so is a cry for attention and a need for praise - not a true, compassionate desire to help.

Most of the members who post in the S&I forum truly love their pets and want the very best for them, yet they're made to feel incompetent, less than intelligent or incapable of taking care of their own animals if they don't follow a particular member's instructions to a tee and ignore the contradictory advice others try to offer. They're criticized for trusting their chosen medical professional and led to distrust anything their vets tell them.

This is dangerous behavior and I truly fear it will cause serious harm to someone's pup one day. The internet is not the place for the diagnosing and vet second-guessing that goes on here regularly. Someone is going to listen to a member who knows nothing about their pet over listening to their own vet and it will be a catastraphe.

In a perfect world members would simply and kindly offer concise, relevant, pertinent information. They would not insult others members vets or needlessly instill fear as I often see done here. Nor would they tell members seeking help "if you don't listen to me, whatever happens to your pup will be on your head." That is cruel and harrassing behavior that is way out of line, yet it gets said here.

Again, thanks for letting me share my opinion.

Great post.

Some of us have had the great fortune of finding a great vet and other's have had difficulty in doing so. In my opinion advice should be offerred on how to find a good vet. Given advice on how to recognize a good vet. Bottom line is that we the owners of our dogs are the first line of defense for anything medical that our dogs may require.

So, many of us go in blindly, not knowing that most vets are General Practitioners.....not knowing a good GP vet is not so entrenched with their ego and will inform you when a Specialist is needed and send you there. A good vet understands we know our dogs better than they do and will listen to what we have to say. And I mean listen, not just to the symptons we are giving them, but our dog's behavior.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by BonBon

This is what I've been wanting to say for ages.

It's wonderful when someone wants to offer information and suggestions to help others. But it is wrong to presume that you know more than a vet about a pup's condition. All we know here on YT is what we're told in an online forum - we never see these dogs, never know their full history or even know if what the op's say is accurate. To tell a member that her vet is wrong, that you know more because of what you've read on other forums or from one of the many specialists you call is insulting and rude.

Members should offer advice, be supportive and leave it at that. They shouldn't beat members over the head with repeated posts trying to force opinions on them. Doing so is a cry for attention and a need for praise - not a true, compassionate desire to help.

Most of the members who post in the S&I forum truly love their pets and want the very best for them, yet they're made to feel incompetent, less than intelligent or incapable of taking care of their own animals if they don't follow a particular member's instructions to a tee and ignore the contradictory advice others try to offer. They're criticized for trusting their chosen medical professional and led to distrust anything their vets tell them.

This is dangerous behavior and I truly fear it will cause serious harm to someone's pup one day. The internet is not the place for the diagnosing and vet second-guessing that goes on here regularly. Someone is going to listen to a member who knows nothing about their pet over listening to their own vet and it will be a catastraphe.

In a perfect world members would simply and kindly offer concise, relevant, pertinent information. They would not insult others members vets or needlessly instill fear as I often see done here. Nor would they tell members seeking help "if you don't listen to me, whatever happens to your pup will be on your head." That is cruel and harrassing behavior that is way out of line, yet it gets said here.

Again, thanks for letting me share my opinion.

lol yep you have us all figured out we come here to stroke our egos as we do not get that in our careers we are successful at lollllllll Please

Please list all the dogs that have died from us helping them as I surely can name one on here you all helped

and who is doing the harrassing behavior? Who is attacking people trying to help people?

who provides back up links to vet websites not just heresay

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by dwerten

lol yep went to one of the two aaha vets in my area and they gave my dog metacam while on steroids when i asked for tramadol - check out how that should never be done on fda.gov site lolllll I trusted him though as he was AAHA vet and that was my AHA Moment about AAHA vets

ETA oh and i went to him only because he had a digital xray machine so he was better equipped alright

I think that an AAHA member is a good place to start in looking for a vet, but is no guarantee. I have a horror story of my own when another vet at the clinic saw one of mine while 'my' vet was on vacation.

It's much better to do your homework first in finding a good vet and knowing who the specialists are in your area rather than scrambling around once you have the real need.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

I think that an AAHA member is a good place to start in looking for a vet, but is no guarantee. I have a horror story of my own when another vet at the clinic saw one of mine while 'my' vet was on vacation.

It's much better to do your homework first in finding a good vet and knowing who the specialists are in your area rather than scrambling around once you have the real need.

totally agree and i have awesome specialists now i learned about in a crisis situation as my vet who i no longer see who has sinced sold her practice to another vet did not even know a specialist in my area -uh duh - I had to find the specialist on my own by calling every vet in the county to find the best and I LOVE HER. Yep i actually like a vet can you believe it lolll Yet accused of not liking them.

I like competent vets

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Great post.
So, many of us go in blindly, not knowing that most vets are General Practitioners.....not knowing a good GP vet is not so entrenched with their ego and will inform you when a Specialist is needed and send you there. A good vet understands we know our dogs better than they do and will listen to what we have to say. And I mean listen, not just to the symptons we are giving them, but our dog's behavior.

Mary, what you describe here is how it 'should' be but often isn't. I never knew what a great vet was until I had occasion to take Bijou to Louisiana Veterinary Referrals. The vet talked with me for a good 20 minutes, with me sitting there holding Bijou in my lap, before even taking a look at her. I had to end up leaving her for the day to have tests ran, but I left knowing she was in very good hands.

[BonBon]

[QUOTE=dwerten;3175774]lol yep you have us all figured out we come here to stroke our egos as we do not get that in our careers we are successful at lollllllll Please

Please list all the dogs that have died from us helping them as I surely can name one on here you all helped



Is that all you read of my post? Seriously, nothing else registered with you?

[kjc]

Originally Posted by BonBon

This is what I've been wanting to say for ages.

It's wonderful when someone wants to offer information and suggestions to help others. But it is wrong to presume that you know more than a vet about a pup's condition. All we know here on YT is what we're told in an online forum - we never see these dogs, never know their full history or even know if what the op's say is accurate. To tell a member that her vet is wrong, that you know more because of what you've read on other forums or from one of the many specialists you call is insulting and rude.

Members should offer advice, be supportive and leave it at that. They shouldn't beat members over the head with repeated posts trying to force opinions on them. Doing so is a cry for attention and a need for praise - not a true, compassionate desire to help.

Most of the members who post in the S&I forum truly love their pets and want the very best for them, yet they're made to feel incompetent, less than intelligent or incapable of taking care of their own animals if they don't follow a particular member's instructions to a tee and ignore the contradictory advice others try to offer. They're criticized for trusting their chosen medical professional and led to distrust anything their vets tell them.

This is dangerous behavior and I truly fear it will cause serious harm to someone's pup one day. The internet is not the place for the diagnosing and vet second-guessing that goes on here regularly. Someone is going to listen to a member who knows nothing about their pet over listening to their own vet and it will be a catastraphe.

In a perfect world members would simply and kindly offer concise, relevant, pertinent information. They would not insult others members vets or needlessly instill fear as I often see done here. Nor would they tell members seeking help "if you don't listen to me, whatever happens to your pup will be on your head." That is cruel and harrassing behavior that is way out of line, yet it gets said here.

Again, thanks for letting me share my opinion.

I understand what you're saying, and agree with most of it.

My problem is:

What do you do when you know something more needs to be done, but it's like the OP doesn't even hear you, and you know the dog is in danger of dying? Do you just post what you know nicely and walk away, even when you see your advice has had no effect?

Some people need a wake-up call... the goal is that everybody wants to see these dogs survive and thrive. Do you let it drop because the owner may just not 'get it', knowing their dog has been handed a death sentence? Saying I told them but they didn't listen doesn't feel good at all, neither does losing your dog and then learning something could have been done to save them, after the fact.

Or do you push and push and push until they can understand and make the choices that will save their dog's life?

[107barney]

Many of us on here have had sicker dogs longer than others and know just as much and sometimes more than others about certain illnesses. I've had a sick dog for 10 years. Specialists have saved not only saved her life, but they have improved the quality of her life to the point that you would never know she is as sickly as she is. It is a DAILY challenge to keep her well.

The bottom line is that all of us are LAY PEOPLE.

I've intervened with members who were given poor and incorrect MVD advice. I have led them down the road I believe to be correct, but whether they walked down that road is for them to decide.

I also think it is important to keep in mind that in different parts of the country, different thigns may be warranted. For example, Lyme Disease is ROUTINELY treated all day long in this part of the country. I can count five people and two dogs I know at this very moment who have lyme disease. Vets here prescribe Doxycycline all day long for dogs.

And just so we are all clear: No one here is indispensible.

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Great post.

Some of us have had the great fortune of finding a great vet and other's have had difficulty in doing so. In my opinion advice should be offerred on how to find a good vet. Given advice on how to recognize a good vet. Bottom line is that we the owners of our dogs are the first line of defense for anything medical that our dogs may require.

So, many of us go in blindly, not knowing that most vets are General Practitioners.....not knowing a good GP vet is not so entrenched with their ego and will inform you when a Specialist is needed and send you there. A good vet understands we know our dogs better than they do and will listen to what we have to say. And I mean listen, not just to the symptons we are giving them, but our dog's behavior.

Thank goodness we recently switched to a vet who subscribes to this point of view. I was pleasantly surprised.

[admin]

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