Not All Vets Are Wrong

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Thank you~thank you~thank you!!!!

You took the words right out of my mouth! It is just beyond me how the entire S & I forum has turned into a roadside vet clinic where bashing of an entire profession has become common place

There is a reason that there are a bunch of CAPITOL letters after a vets name~its because he earned it through schooling and education. It's fine to question you vet but when it comes to your dogs health you better make sure that you TRUST his knowledge. Your little one is counting on you to take care of him to the best of your ability.

yes and there is a reason there are specialist too and why they have more CAPITAL letters after their names to better treat in a crisis situation because they went to more schooling than the vet with the CAPITAL letters did so maybe if more vets with CAPITAL letters understood this when they come into a crisis situation they will get them to the one with the most CAPITAL letters after their name to save their dog instead of delaying this time and dog dies and they blame it on something else.

[Ellie May]

Oh and they are all so uniquely different. You can find somebody to fit your style. I know several that all have different approaches. Some like questions better than others and some like to hand out drugs more than others. You can find one that fits your philosophy.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

I see what happened, but she said how many mg needed to be given (which was correct). She never converted it to ml's so never gave the dose... She never said how many ml to give.

just like some feel I should not provide links to help people with information C I think giving doseages is wrong. Now do I think vets give wrong doseages or their staff - yep see my link about medications-vent as ladymom and I have had that happen to us too. I always double and triple check doseages for my dogs as I know mistakes happen as I have seen it happen alot.

[maggiesmom_2007]

I for one like reading the posts that people ask about something being wrong with their dogs and possibly someone else has been through it. It really helps when you take your dog in and the vet cannot figure out what is wrong and maybe because of someone else's experience you suggest testing for something and you either find out that's what it is or you end up ruling that out. I know my vet listens to me when I bring up things I have learned on here. When I mentioned where the tail was supposed to be docked he actually said I was the first person that had asked it to be done at a specific length. Everyone else would just come in and say they needed the tails and dews done. So they did it by a chart they have. I also have to say if it hadn't been for dwerten posting about Pancreatitis I wouldn't have learned what I needed to know to pass on to Maggies new owners.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Oh and they are all so uniquely different. You can find somebody to fit your style. I know several that all have different approaches. Some like questions better than others and some like to hand out drugs more than others. You can find one that fits your philosophy.

yep why i have two vets and specialists as each fits the purpose of what is going on at the time of the situation. If i feel it is serious off to internal medicine I go as she has more Capital letters after her name and she saved my dog that almost died in a vet's hands that has a name with less capital letters after her name.

But some people cannot afford specialists like dentists, dermatologists, internal medicine specialists, and orthopedics so those of us that can afford this like to pass on that information that we paid big money for to help the less fortunate but I see that is a bad thing here and not sure why?

[Britster]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Great post. I think while we can suggest things, we shouldn't scare the person to death, or second-guess the vet. First of all, the vet makes his decisions based on all the symptoms, and tests for most likely illnesses as well as most time critical. Vets also take clients budgets into consideration, and don't do every test possible in the beginning, for as we know, many dog's symptoms, clear up overnight on their own. We don't always know what the OP has told the vet, and we don't always know what the vet has really told the OP. Sometimesm people hear one or two words, and may even misunderstand the vet's explanation, so I'm always disappointed when members criticize the vet because we don't even know what the vet said.


That said, I think everyone should take the time to find a vet in whom they have confidence, it's one of the most important relationships you'll have in your life. When your dog has been properly diagnosed, I think YT can be extremely valuable in getting tips from other members whose dogs have the same problem.

totally agree!

[jenn1381]

Great post

Honestly, you can't tell me that vets are much different than doctors.. I have a friend who went in for a biopsy yesterday.. had NO idea what was going to happen, they didn't even freeze the area, now she's in major pain and they found something so she's freaking out about that and the upcoming surgery - which she again, got no info on and is going in blindly. I told her to research and read whatever she can find, and ask questions, and if the doctor acts like he's too busy to answer them - give him a piece of your mind!!! And I'd say the same to anyone in the same situation with their dogs.

We also need to remember that what's true about one dog, is not necessarily going to be true for another. What works for one, may not work for another. On the food issue - I feel Oliver Science Diet for sensitive stomach - is it the BEST food... nope... but it's the best for HIM. He had so many issues before the switch which have gone away. I would love to find a better quality food that would work for him, but I refuse to put him through that if they don't. Found one that works, sticking to it, case closed. Mya will not be fed Science Diet and will get a higher quality food if she has no issues on it.

Symptoms can be vague, hard to explain, and complex. Never, EVER take what someone told you online to be fact! While the advice is invaluable and well appreciated - it's our jobs to research and consult with doctors who are trained, just like we do with ourselves. Far too much online diagnosis going on for both animals and humans. If you don't like your vet for whatever reason - get a new one. Simple as that. I love the support we get here, but we need to remember to take every piece of advise with a grain of salt. Your vet won't diagnose your dog without actually seeing it - there's a reason for that. So why would someone who can't see your dog and has no training be able to do any better.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Britster

totally agree!

perhaps you missed this thread about holly - did not look like vet or specialists cut any costs on this testing - yet missed a simple test of an XRAY that might have saved the dog'f life --- would you let them run all those tests on your dog? Oh I am sure it was about 7k worth of testing in California and guess what - the dog died - now had an xray been done and obstruction removed - would this dog have died? I think some of us on here would have asked did they do an xray before doing and endoscopy that may have saved this dog's life

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/mem...245-holly.html

My Holly died today from lead poisoning. She was 6 months old. She has been in and out of the vet for over a month. At first they thought she had liver shunts, then encephalitis from toxoplamosis or neospora, then she got pneumonia and THEN on a chest x-ray the vet finally saw a metallic object, a lead craft weight. She endured a spinal tap, a brochoscopy and endoscopy. She had had lead poisoning all this time. Today her breathing became so irregular the vet called us in. We had been visiting twice a day. She was having seizures. We just didnt know what to do. Then she had another seizure while we were holding her and she stopped breathing. The vet gave her an injection and then she was gone. Oh how I loved her. Oh how I will miss her. So sad....So sad.

Bet she wished we scared her into an XRAY

But I am sure some will come on here and say the pet owner must be mistaken lolllllllllllllllllllllllll

can you imagine dying of lead poisoning ?

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by dwerten

sure here it is - I believe this is the thread someone pm me you gave information wrong about after you beat this person up for giving out a doseage on another med

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...ing-mg-ml.html

To be honest I do not know if you are wrong or not here but looks like crystal and kellie corrected your info. I personally do not rely on the internet for dosing my dogs so would not know if you were correct or not

and I know you make mistakes just like the rest of us including vets - we are human

Huh? There is no mistake in that post that I can see. And if you don't know if I was right or wrong, why are you carrying on about it? And, honestly what is it with all the little secrets? PMs when something is wrong?? sheesh we are all adults here...just spit it out so it can be fixed if you think it is wrong.

As for me beating someone up....please DO share THAT as well. Thank you

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by dwerten

perhaps you missed this thread about holly - did not look like vet or specialists cut any costs on this testing - yet missed a simple test of an XRAY that might have saved the dog'f life --- would you let them run all those tests on your dog? Oh I am sure it was about 7k worth of testing in California and guess what - the dog died - now had an xray been done and obstruction removed - would this dog have died? I think some of us on here would have asked did they do an xray before doing and endoscopy that may have saved this dog's life

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/mem...245-holly.html

Still at this one as well. Sheesh. This has been discussed and explained ad nauseum., but you still think the vet was at fault.

Xrays are not routine or diagnostic when not indicated. Do tell what symptoms she had in the beginning that indicated an xray should be done? You really do work overtime trying to slam the veterinary profession.

My concern is that naive people will see this stuff and be afraid to go to a vet. It is one thing to help people learn how to educate themselves and communicate with their vets and yet another to constantly bad mouth every single vet.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Still at this one as well. Sheesh. This has been discussed and explained ad nauseum., but you still think the vet was at fault.

Xrays are not routine or diagnostic when not indicated. Do tell what symptoms she had in the beginning that indicated an xray should be done? You really do work overtime trying to slam the veterinary profession.

My concern is that naive people will see this stuff and be afraid to go to a vet. It is one thing to help people learn how to educate themselves and communicate with their vets and yet another to constantly bad mouth every single vet.

lol yep this one says it all to me

First thing when my dog was throwing up for pancreatitis was an xray then blood work. XRAY is the first thing done to rule out any blockages so why was it not done? Even lay people know this. Why was an endoscopy and bronchoscopy done before an xray? Why was a spinal tap and mri done prior to xray?

I know I know the pet owner misunderstood the thousands of dollars she paid for when she trusted these vets. This dog died a horrible death and we can all learn from it. Ask questions

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Huh? There is no mistake in that post that I can see. And if you don't know if I was right or wrong, why are you carrying on about it? And, honestly what is it with all the little secrets? PMs when something is wrong?? sheesh we are all adults here...just spit it out so it can be fixed if you think it is wrong.

As for me beating someone up....please DO share THAT as well. Thank you

I did spit it out - I posted it and I think giving out doseages on here is wrong but I do not go in and beat you up everytime you do it as that is your choice to do that

[GAOMariposa]

I wanted to add my two cents here as well. I hope my question about the Benadryl dosing verification wasn't the straw that broke the camel's back.

If it's one thing that I have learned while in medical school, is that you have to be 100% comfortable with a diagnosis that your own medical doctor, or your baby's veterinarian gives you. Last year I asked a question about my baby because she had crystals in her urine. I took a sample of her urine into the vet and that came back negative for crystals, bacteria, etc. He figured it was probably struvite crystals because it's the more common type of crystal. I still wasn't 100% satisfied with the diagnosis and did my own research all of the internet and on YT. I ended up taking him a sample of some of the crystals that were left of the newspaper after the urine dried up. The diagnosis turned out to be the complete opposite. It was urate crystals. So we switched her treatment and she has been better. But if I hadn't questioned it, she would have been treated for the wrong thing and maybe could have gotten worse.

I have a good relationship with her vet in Mexico. My baby has 3 different vets that she has seen. 1 in Mexico and 2 in the States. With the one in Mexico, I am able to bring him different theories that I have and share them with him. He'll tell me why may be one thing, or another, etc. He always takes the time to make sure I have my questions answered 100%. And I like that. With her vet in the States, I always feel like I'm being rushed out of the office. Her vet in Mexico knows her name and knows what a worry wort I am when it comes to her health. The other day I took her in because I thought she needed her anal glands expressed again and he didn't charge me for the office visit. When I had that done for her in the States I came out with a $45 vet bill for that service.

But even though I'm completely happy with her vet, I will always question everything that is said. And even my own doctor. When I was diagnosed with a medical condition 2 years ago, I did my own research, spoke to other doctors to verify the information. If I were in the U.S. right now, I would have called her U.S. vet to verify the information that was given for the Benadryl. As a matter of fact, I think I'm going to do that just to check. It just popped in my mind to do that.

This forum has taught me a lot. Itzel is my first small doggie that I've had. I didn't know a lot about potty training, what food to feed, etc. I learned how to potty train her to go on command from this forum, I learned what foods are the best, and I've even verified with her vet on the food. She needs to have lower protein food and I bring her food from the States into Mexico, so I took him the bag so that he could see it and let me know if it was okay. The information I have gained on this forum from fellow members has been invaluable. And I appreciate all the advice that I have ever received. But I think that you need to verify every piece of information you receive. I guess that might sound a little paranoid, and I hope it doesn't.

[GAOMariposa]

I wanted to add my two cents here as well. I hope my question about the Benadryl dosing verification wasn't the straw that broke the camel's back.

If it's one thing that I have learned while in medical school, is that you have to be 100% comfortable with a diagnosis that your own medical doctor, or your baby's veterinarian gives you. Last year I asked a question about my baby because she had crystals in her urine. I took a sample of her urine into the vet and that came back negative for crystals, bacteria, etc. He figured it was probably struvite crystals because it's the more common type of crystal. I still wasn't 100% satisfied with the diagnosis and did my own research all of the internet and on YT. I ended up taking him a sample of some of the crystals that were left of the newspaper after the urine dried up. The diagnosis turned out to be the complete opposite. It was urate crystals. So we switched her treatment and she has been better. But if I hadn't questioned it, she would have been treated for the wrong thing and maybe could have gotten worse.

I have a good relationship with her vet in Mexico. My baby has 3 different vets that she has seen. 1 in Mexico and 2 in the States. With the one in Mexico, I am able to bring him different theories that I have and share them with him. He'll tell me why may be one thing, or another, etc. He always takes the time to make sure I have my questions answered 100%. And I like that. With her vet in the States, I always feel like I'm being rushed out of the office. Her vet in Mexico knows her name and knows what a worry wort I am when it comes to her health. The other day I took her in because I thought she needed her anal glands expressed again and he didn't charge me for the office visit. When I had that done for her in the States I came out with a $45 vet bill for that service.

But even though I'm completely happy with her vet, I will always question everything that is said. And even my own doctor. When I was diagnosed with a medical condition 2 years ago, I did my own research, spoke to other doctors to verify the information. If I were in the U.S. right now, I would have called her U.S. vet to verify the information that was given for the Benadryl. As a matter of fact, I think I'm going to do that just to check. It just popped in my mind to do that.

This forum has taught me a lot. Itzel is my first small doggie that I've had. I didn't know a lot about potty training, what food to feed, etc. I learned how to potty train her to go on command from this forum, I learned what foods are the best, and I've even verified with her vet on the food. She needs to have lower protein food and I bring her food from the States into Mexico, so I took him the bag so that he could see it and let me know if it was okay. The information I have gained on this forum from fellow members has been invaluable. And I appreciate all the advice that I have ever received. But I think that you need to verify every piece of information you receive. I guess that might sound a little paranoid, and I hope it doesn't. Sorry if I rambled on.

[GAOMariposa]

Oops, to the Moderator, I clicked to post my thread through the Quick Reply part and it said it didn't post it and it looks like it posted it twice. If you can delete it, please?