Defamation, dishonesty and untruths

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Hey, maybe now it will match my big butt!!!

[DamSweet]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Hey, maybe now it will match my big butt!!!

With time, women gain weight because we accumulate so much information and wisdom in our heads that when there is no more room, it distributes out to the rest of our bodies.
So we aren't heavy, we are enormously cultured, educated and happy.
Beginning today, when I look at my butt in the mirror I will think, "Good grief, look how smart I am!"
(Must be where phrase Smart Ass came from

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by DamSweet

You are absolutely right - I do have a tendency to look over this type of thread, and pick and chose - mostly it is to see what long time YT members have to say. I find that those like yourself have a lot of valuable information to those of us new to the Yorkie breed as well as new to YT, and that is mostly what I look for.
Personally - I find when people want to air their "dirty laundry" in a public forum nothing gets accomplished except for building a long thread of posts of debates between those who do NOT know what is "going on under the surface", as you've said, or taking sides when we don't have a clue who is right or wrong. All our opinions mean nothing - we will all believe who we feel is right. At this point nothing we say or fingers we point will help this puppy which I think is really everyones main concern.
Sometimes I think all we do is fuel the fire - and maybe time better spent welcoming a newbie to this site, offering understanding and compassion to someone who's baby is sick or injured, or just enjoying each others stories and pictures of our babies. This is truly an amazing site full of caring people with a mountain of information and I for one am glad that when I came on here and have posted about concerns I was having with Bridget that there were those out there who had the time to help, and were not involved with a thread where no one wins.
Thanks for "listening", and hopefully I didn't make too many enemies here.

You didn't make any enemies... I just know when you have threads like this you have to understand this is how woman wage war...especially between breeders.

I will never forget a thread I read about how a breeder was ripping off a potential breeder. Everyone jumped in and said how awful it was until they found out it one of YT' very valued breeders and then she told her side of the story...Wow..very different.. Sides were drawn up and it got uglier and uglier. Then a lawyer jumped in, new websites were started and lawsuits were flying all over the place and friendships were ended. It was ugly and is still ugly as the lawyer has a website up about as cold hearted as I have ever seen..even after the breeder died. The lawyer is laughing about her death and says the breeder deserves to be in hell.

Given time you will start to be of the same belief as some members on YT..it is natural...but even then sometimes you will disagree...it is okay.

I have learned some people are here for the dogs, some are here to sell dogs and some are here just to hear themselves write.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by DamSweet

With time, women gain weight because we accumulate so much information and wisdom in our heads that when there is no more room, it distributes out to the rest of our bodies.
So we aren't heavy, we are enormously cultured, educated and happy.
Beginning today, when I look at my butt in the mirror I will think, "Good grief, look how smart I am!"
(Must be where phrase Smart Ass came from

I LOVE IT AND YOU ARE GOING TO BE MY NEXT BEST FRIEND...HAHA..

Can I steal this and post it on my FB account before Bama does...

[misslissa]

The only thing I have to say is when my Yorkies sire died the breeder (who i would have called a "hobby breeder" not a reputable breeder) called me and told me about it payed for blood tests at my vet (sire died of unexpected kidney failure) and then when she found out about Gatsby's anemia she even paid for half of the cost of his transfusion and the iron pills they had him on for two months.
she was not a responsible breeder but she did love every single puppy she produced
i dont see why a breeder who loves there puppies would not pay for at least tests

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by DamSweet

Then I probably shouldn't tell you that you are also one who's post I look forward to reading - I am always impressed with the amount of knowledge that is here - not to mention thankful as it has helped, reassured and comforted me a million times! Even if they were not directly to me - it was usually something someone else posted that I was also going through! Even if I don't always get the answer I'm looking or hoping for - it is always honest and I Thank you!

OH man, Bama loves suckups...

P.S. She is one smart cookie..but don't tell her I said so...shhhhh

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

You didn't make any enemies... I just know when you have threads like this you have to understand this is how woman wage war...especially between breeders.

I will never forget a thread I read about how a breeder was ripping off a potential breeder. Everyone jumped in and said how awful it was until they found out it one of YT' very valued breeders and then she told her side of the story...Wow..very different.. Sides were drawn up and it got uglier and uglier. Then a lawyer jumped in, new websites were started and lawsuits were flying all over the place and friendships were ended. It was ugly and is still ugly as the lawyer has a website up about as cold hearted as I have ever seen..even after the breeder died. The lawyer is laughing about her death and says the breeder deserves to be in hell.

Given time you will start to be of the same belief as some members on YT..it is natural...but even then sometimes you will disagree...it is okay.

I have learned some people are here for the dogs, some are here to sell dogs and some are here just to hear themselves write.

wow how sad I like reading the breeding info and the info you provide on animal welfare and that is what makes this site great as each person can bring a wealth of info about different topics they are passionate about to help everyone understand more about certain things that go on that we would normally not know about unless involved in it.

[DamSweet]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

I LOVE IT AND YOU ARE GOING TO BE MY NEXT BEST FRIEND...HAHA..

Can I steal this and post it on my FB account before Bama does...

Absolutely - I stole it from someone on FaceBook too!

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by DamSweet

Absolutely - I stole it from someone on FaceBook too!

HaHa...already stolen and posted...

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by dwerten

wow how sad I like reading the breeding info and the info you provide on animal welfare and that is what makes this site great as each person can bring a wealth of info about different topics they are passionate about to help everyone understand more about certain things that go on that we would normally not know about unless involved in it.

It was and still is sad.

One thing I do try to do is post info but not always give my opinion...I let the articles speak for themselves. Sometimes debates are good but may times they are just power plays and it is best for people to walk away. I have gotten caught up in situations myself and it has not helped the situation. I rarely PM members, I put my thoughts out and then let it go unless I believe lies are going on. I can't stand liars and I will fight to try and get the truth out. The truth is never black and white...somewhere in between.

[trin7]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

As much as you would like to comfort them as you have said they need to be in a control place as to not hurt themself.

I would not have posted the video but the OP claims there was nothing wrong with the dog.

Like I said I have long since moved on.
The OP is the one who keeps wanting to stir things up.
Those posts were not longer visable until she posted them again.

She have been stalking and following me all over the net looking for any
peice of info to twist around.

Reputations are a funny thing. I know you would love it if she would just drop this, but you wrote many, many things about this breeder. I don't know if you or she are good reputable breeders, but if you start defaming someone on the internet in such a public way you have no right to expect her not to retaliate at anytime. With your words, she has probably lost many sales and although it has been five years, it just wouldn't matter to her. I hope that little pup is healthy and happy.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

It was and still is sad.

One thing I do try to do is post info but not always give my opinion...I let the articles speak for themselves. Sometimes debates are good but may times they are just power plays and it is best for people to walk away. I have gotten caught up in situations myself and it has not helped the situation. I rarely PM members, I put my thoughts out and then let it go unless I believe lies are going on. I can't stand liars and I will fight to try and get the truth out. The truth is never black and white...somewhere in between.

yeah I have a HUGE issue with lying myself and feel the same as you. Yep rarely pm either rather get it all out in the open if i feel something no need to hide it. I agree about the power plays and it is sad. I personally like to hear both sides and learn from the opposing side and see if it is logical enough to sway my decision about something. I love to learn especially when it is something I am really passionate about and most people become passionate about something they care deeply about or because they went through a bad experience and they never want another person to go through that similar experience.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

OH man, Bama loves suckups...

P.S. She is one smart cookie..but don't tell her I said so...shhhhh

I'm going to post that on Facebook.

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by animal1

I'm not trying to stir up things here. I would simply like to point out to people some very recent events that are connected to these post by this person. Why is she using this line in her own breeding program? This line is being used in four of her dogs, two studs and two females.

She not to long ago posted on here 3 litters of puppies she had and two of those litters has the line on both mother and fathers side. One litter has the line in the fathers side.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/3055280-post1.html
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/3116476-post31.html
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/3032752-post1.html
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/3033203-post9.html
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/3066908-post1.html
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/3033203-post9.html

This now means the line has been doubled for these puppies in two of the litters. These puppies have and are being sold to the public by this person.

I just recently found this video of Scooter, before this person posted it on here and I am extremely heartbroken. No one will know the heartache I am going through. I pray little Scooter is doing well. I spoke with several Vets (Not hers) about Scooter when this first started. In their opinion, had the seizures been caused by the breeding, the seizures would not have stopped once the dog food was changed as stated by this person.

I could have posted the video of Scooter in my first post but it is not mine to post. But yet this person feels she can use my copyright material. She recently used a photo of one of my parti stud males on her website. I did not give permission for her to do that. I did not give her permission to use yet something else she removed from my website, prepared by my copyright attorney. This is what she has to say about copyright material.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/3019512-post162.htm


If I am such a bad breeder as this person states then why is she breeding these lines herself? Why was she recently using a photo of one of my parti studs on her website? If I am such a dishonest breeder why did I receive an email from this person almost 2 months later wanting yet another puppy from me? (I do still have that email). As I said people need to be made aware of some recent events pertaining to these post this person has made about me.

Deb you know and I know what went down.
I'm am not going to rehash this.
I pulled the photo since it seem to upset you.
So how about you pulling the private e-mail and my posting off your site
And I will have to say it was at lease good to hear you state some concern about Scooter after 5 years.

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

If the buyer was unwilling to turn over vet information, vet charges and ok the breeder to speak with the vet about this case, why should the seller be expected to pay for these costs?

I know if I had a dog with an issue, I'd present every bit of evidence and every document I had ... I'd be willing to give the breeder anything she asked for. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case here.

Sue you assume a lot.
The OP DID have the vets name and phone number.
You can not communicate with someone who will not answer or return phone calls.