Some nerve!

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Maybe it is a cockapookie

Yep, that's EXACTLY what it sounds like to me.

[BellaDonna]

Originally Posted by Cerise

IMO for those problems people should just get a Standard Poodle and leave the Lab out of it. They are intelligent and can be trained for service. I think the problem is the maintenance of all that growing hair that has to be groomed, another lazy reason for mixing the breeds.

If you need a service dog you probably wouldn't be considered lazy you would most likely be handicapped. Like BLIND etc...and worse, blind with allergies! You would also probably be on public assistance and of course who is going to pay the groomer.
There are alternatives though. I have actually seen a service PONY. I wouldn't want to shovel out the house though.

[Cerise]

Originally Posted by BellaDonna

If you need a service dog you probably wouldn't be considered lazy you would most likely be handicapped. Like BLIND etc...and worse, blind with allergies! You would also probably be on public assistance and of course who is going to pay the groomer.
There are alternatives though. I have actually seen a service PONY. I wouldn't want to shovel out the house though.

I'm sure someone could do the grooming for a Standard Poodle. The service dog still needs a bath and has to be groomed and the SP wouldn't need a fancy cut if it were used for service. Not all handicapped people are on public assistance either. BYB's breeding crossbreeds and using allergies and service for the explanation is ridiculous when the Standard Poodle is a highly intelligent breed and is ideal for people with allergies. It is not that larger than a Lab and it's strength (someone mention from another post) is not overbearing because it is intelligent enough to learn what not to do.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by LuvMyPuppE

i was appalled reading the thread about the price of a "morkie."

there were so many posts about how you shouldn't pay that much for a "mutt" and how there are SO many dogs in rescues (that was the main one saw over and over).

are you SERIOUS? how are you going to tell someone they should get a dog from a rescue or a shelter when you obviously bypassed those places and paid a pretty penny for your dog!

i'm sorry, but if you love a dog - you love it - "mutt" or not! should someone pay a zillion times the price for a "mutt"? probably not - but when you want to start preaching about all the poor animals in need of homes - stop and think about where YOU got YOUR animal.

Mine came from a rescue, as did my parents' puppy. Since we had no intention of breeding or showing, papers didn't matter to us.

I couldn't be happier with my rescued porkie yorkie.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Cerise

I'm sure someone could do the grooming for a Standard Poodle. The service dog still needs a bath and has to be groomed and the SP wouldn't need a fancy cut if it were used for service. Not all handicapped people are on public assistance either. BYB's breeding crossbreeds and using allergies and service for the explanation is ridiculous when the Standard Poodle is a highly intelligent breed and is ideal for people with allergies. It is not that larger than a Lab and it's strength (someone mention from another post) is not overbearing because it is intelligent enough to learn what not to do.

While I do not like the Standard Poodle but they are one of the most intelligent dogs! They are strong as well!

Donna

[Rhetts_mama]

And just my 2 cents on mixed breeds:
We still don't know enough about genetics to say that we are getting only the good when we cross breeds. Who knows what new type of problems will show up down the line. Too many of these new backyard breeders, in my opinion, haven't done enough research to really know what they are getting by creating these new types. I've had several mixed breeds over the years that were awesome, healthy dogs (including the funniest basset/lab you've ever seen). I've also had two that inherited the worst of both breeds.

I'll stick with reputable breeders who know full health histories at least several generations back

Like I said, it's only my 2 cents. Take it or leave it.

[Britster]

I agree with mommadog1 in the fact that breeding in general is being WAY overdone. I really think it's totally insane how many people breed their dogs.... it really should only be a select few for each breed (maybe like 20 qualified breeders per state per breed or something, I dunno), but I know that would never happen because there's no real way to control it. I do see a purpose in some of these mixed dogs, like Labradoodles, and I DO understand the poodle mixes moreso... I don't really like the looks of purebred Poodles (just my preference) but their nonshedding hair can be great to people who have allergies yet don't exactly want a Poodle. I do realize there's no guarantees they'll be nonshedding, and you never know if you will get a dog with more poodle personality, or more cocker spaniel personality, for example. I really like cockapoo's because I'm not big on cocker spaniels, but mixed with poodles, they always seem to have better personality, easier to train, etc. But it does seem silly for people to breeding yorkiepoo's, bichon-poos, etc if both breeds don't shed. I think all these new designer mixes are a bit silly, puggles and shihpoo's and all that stuff. Seriously, there's sooo many in shelters. And you can find lots of puppies at shelters too, it's not just older dogs. Strays often come in pregnant, etc. So although I didn't get Jackson from a shelter, I could have found a puppy just like him at one since he's not close to standard really. But oh well. My next dog will be from a rescue most likely because personally I like the off standard Yorkies better!

[QuickSilver]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

not if you keep breeding in the Lab...a Lab will always shed. I could see if once you breed a labradoodle to labradoodle and so on maybe but the lab is always going to be a shedder plain and simple and somewhere down the line you will get one with a shedding coat. I can buy for it being a service dog and building on their strengths but for allergies I just can't see it...there are non shedders that fit the bill for that aspect of someone that suffers from allergies...that would be just like bringing in a cotton coated yorkie into the breeding program somewhere down the line you will get it again.

Donna

I would imagine that a non-shedding coat is recessive, no? So you could breed shedding out pretty quickly.

Personally, I don't see why people should stop creating breeds. We've been doing it since we domesticated wolves, we know more now about genetics than we ever have before. If someone has a serious interest and goes about it in the right way, I see nothing wrong with that.

Personally, I'd love to see a dog with:
- the smarts of a border collie.
- the coat of a short haired dashund.
- the personality of a lab.
- no major health problems.
- large, medium, and toy sizes.
- average life span 20 years+.


I do like poodles, as long as they have a plain haircut. I agree generally that the designer dog phenomenon is unfortunate because it's creating way too many dogs, and there's no particular rhyme or reason to it.

[Britster]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

I would imagine that a non-shedding coat is recessive, no? So you could breed shedding out pretty quickly.

Personally, I don't see why people should stop creating breeds. We've been doing it since we domesticated wolves, we know more now about genetics than we ever have before. If someone has a serious interest and goes about it in the right way, I see nothing wrong with that.

Personally, I'd love to see a dog with:
- the smarts of a border collie.
- the coat of a short haired dashund.
- the personality of a lab.
- no major health problems.
- large, medium, and toy sizes.
- average life span 20 years+.

That would be amazing! lol. I always wished the Yorkie came in different sizes. I just think they've been bred down way too small. I think maybe have a 7lb and under Yorkie, and then the 8-12lb Yorkie or something. Kind of like Poodles.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

If someone has a serious interest and goes about it in the right way, I see nothing wrong with that.

That's just the problem we're seeing though...people who are not going about it "the right way."

[Rhetts_mama]

The gene (and it's highly possible that it might be MORE than one gene) that determines shedding also creates a lot of other things. I'm just concerned that if it isn't done in a willy-nilly manner without people keeping good long term records, we could start to see some very undesirable side effects.

[QuickSilver]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

That's just the problem we're seeing though...people who are not going about it "the right way."

Yes, absolutely, I agree.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

The gene (and it's highly possible that it might be MORE than one gene) that determines shedding also creates a lot of other things. I'm just concerned that if it isn't done in a willy-nilly manner without people keeping good long term records, we could start to see some very undesirable side effects.

Yes, I agree with this, in fact, studies have shown that you don't produce a dog that is a non-shedder it's just sheds "less" than the shedder, but this can vary considerably.

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Every one of my "animals" were rescues and I can tell you that if you met them in the streets you would not know it.

People use the word "mutt" because these pups are NOT designers ... they are simply mixed breed pups that lazy people breed. Yes, I said lazy! People who breed these pups and charge high prices are making money off of them!! This is not a love of the "breed" or the pup....it is greed, pure and simple. Sorry if that steps on anyone's toes. The word "mutt" is used to inform and educate....it may sound unkind, but anyone saying it is not trying to say those pups are awful. It is just that the breeding is wrong..there is NO genetic testing being done...nothing. Just putting two breeds together for a buck.

And...YES, it is a problem with the pet population; just as the mills and byb's who are selling poorly bred purebreds...doing no genetic testing..nothing. Just pumping out pups for a buck. There are tons of mixed breed pups in shelters...just go pick one out and call it whatever you want...guess the breeds and come up with a name. Guaranteed to be a great pup and a heck of a lot cheaper than the ones the greeders are breeding.

No one is against responsible breeding. The key word: responsible. I don't know how anyone can call these people who are doing this "responsible".

I agree! It looks like you all have already taken care of this one so i won't say much more. I agree that it's not that we're against morkies or even having them, but to charge as much as a purebred costs for a mixed breed dog just because the market is hot for them doesn't make it okay or ethical. in fact charging a ton of money for any dog that isn't bred to the best possible standard of the breed and to the best quality of health is WRONG. Breeders should be breeding only to continue the genetic line of Yorkshire Terrier or any other AKC recognized purebred dogs. Mixing breeds can lead to a future AKC recognized breed and in some aspects that is ok with me (breeding two 100% perfect dogs to create a new type of mixed breed line for future acceptance into the AKC) that happens all the time, but mixing breeds have hazzardly to supply a demand in the "designer dog" pet market is not NOT what i agree with at all. if you want a mixed dog, shelter and adoptions are the best way. don't feed into the money and crime of the pet industry please!!

[BellaDonna]

Some of these threads just go on and on and I guess that is what the originator of the post wanted. The fact is it doesn't matter what everyone really thinks in this matter because everyone has their own opinion and those opinions won't change.
We all know OUR opinions are the only valid opinions. From my mouth to God's ear. Doesn't matter which side of this argument your on. You aren't going to change any minds here. It would probably be more beneficial if we just ignore the post that is trying to start the fight, wouldn't it? Within a few minutes it would be off the front page and out of sight.