Papers!!!!

[bbright14]

Should you buy a yorkie without papers? I have been looking for a puppy for a while now. I just saw that someone is selling puppies but the ad stated that they are only selling for pets and they do not come with papers. I don't plan on breeding. I just want a companion. Please help I dont know what to do.

Thanks In Advance!!

[MI Yorkielover]

I would go and take a look at them, and the parents, too. You can tell a lot (but not all) about traits that will affect what your puppy will be like as an adult meaning, coloring, size etc. I would also make any purchase contingent on an examination from a vet you choose. If you only want a companion I would choose a puppy I made a connection with.

[ARCHIE]

Originally Posted by bbright14

Should you buy a yorkie without papers? I have been looking for a puppy for a while now. I just saw that someone is selling puppies but the ad stated that they are only selling for pets and they do not come with papers. I don't plan on breeding. I just want a companion. Please help I dont know what to do.

Thanks In Advance!!

I would go see the puppies and check out the parents as well.
Ask questions on the adults health and if you like a puppy ask for
the vet's # to check out that the parents have been going for regular
checkups and are healthy. Use your judgement. If this checked out
fine, go for it. Papers aren't necessary unless your going to breed anyhow.
There are thousands of healthy puppies born in homes from just pet stock.
Important thing is that the parent's have no health problems.
Good luck,

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by MI Yorkielover

I would go and take a look at them, and the parents, too. You can tell a lot (but not all) about traits that will affect what your puppy will be like as an adult meaning, coloring, size etc. I would also make any purchase contingent on an examination from a vet you choose. If you only want a companion I would choose a puppy I made a connection with.

Great advice.

What you must do is make sure this pup is healthy, comes with a guarantee.

AKC papers aren't always a guarantee that a pup is properly bred. However, should you have a problem with the parentage of a pup, you have that to fall back on. AKC is a purebred registry, however, it does inspect breeders to insure they are in with compliance with AKC rules and regulations. So it's not all about whether you want to breed or not.

The one thing you need to be careful of is if the breeder is telling you that papers will cost you more. There is two types of AKC registration; limited (no breeding rights) & open (breeding rights)....therefore a breeding dog vs a non-breeding dog would cost would cost you more....

[PenniesMom]

my penny is only aca registered and everyone says shes just as beautiful as any other baby

[Nancy1999]

I believe we should only support breeders who have good breeding programs, and are breeding for the purpose of improving the breed; and remember, they will be much more likely to do important health testing, and this is where it benefits the pet owner. The problem with supporting breeders who have no AKC registration is that you might be supporting someone who has no breeding rights, in other words, they bought a dog that for whatever reason, should not have been breed. So by breeding the dog, they are in essence stealing. The AKC registration PROVES that they had a legal right to breed this dog. It's kind of like buying a TV from the back of a truck, you didn't steal the TV, but you are enabling someone else to benefit from thief.

If you only want a pet, I would suggest you look at rescues, they have many pet yorkies that are looking for good homes, if you want to ensure that the Yorkshire terrier breed is healthy 100 years from now, support a great breeder.

[Yorkiedaze]

Use to be cheaper to buy a dog without registration papers. Anyway, I don't know the rules these days since there are so many. I would go look at the parents, puppies and to check out how they are being taken care of. In the house or in outside pens/cages. Make sure the puppy comes with recent Vet. check records, a contract and all. Never buy sight unseen.

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I believe we should only support breeders who have good breeding programs, and are breeding for the purpose of improving the breed; and remember, they will be much more likely to do important health testing, and this is where it benefits the pet owner. The problem with supporting breeders who have no AKC registration is that you might be supporting someone who has no breeding rights, in other words, they bought a dog that for whatever reason, should not have been breed. So by breeding the dog, they are in essence stealing. The AKC registration PROVES that they had a legal right to breed this dog. It's kind of like buying a TV from the back of a truck, you didn't steal the TV, but you are enabling someone else to benefit from thief.

If you only want a pet, I would suggest you look at rescues, they have many pet yorkies that are looking for good homes, if you want to ensure that the Yorkshire terrier breed is healthy 100 years from now, support a great breeder.

I couldn't agree more. I would never support a breeder who breeds unregistered dogs. That is a bare minimum requirement before breeding, that the parents be AKC registered.

You can bet that anyone who is breeding unregistered dogs knows nothing about their genetic background or does any health testing before breeding. You could pay less upfront, but have huge vet bills later on with a puppy like this. It doesn't matter how clean the breeder's house is or how well she treats her dogs. A nice backyard breeder is just as likely to produce a puppy with ticking time bombs for genetic diseases as a mean, dirty puppymiller.

Take a look at these statistics. Wouldn't you rather get a puppy from a reputable breeder who knows her lines are free from genetic issues many generations back and health tests both parents?

39% of Yorkies are born with Legg-Perthes.

31% of Yorkies have luxating patellas

Health Survey 2007

What breeds are commonly affected with shunts?

Small breed dogs tend to have shunts that form outside of the liver ("extrahepatic"). In the United States, Yorkshire terriers have almost a 36 times greater risk of developing shunts than all other breeds combined.

Portosystemic Shunts FAQ

Yorkies are ranked #3 by the OFA in number of cases of luxating patellas:

OFA: Patellar Luxation Statistics

[gemy]

Originally Posted by bbright14

Should you buy a yorkie without papers? I have been looking for a puppy for a while now. I just saw that someone is selling puppies but the ad stated that they are only selling for pets and they do not come with papers. I don't plan on breeding. I just want a companion. Please help I dont know what to do.

Thanks In Advance!!

I think you came to a good place for advice. First if the parents are not registered with a reputable dog registry how sure can you be that you are actually purchasing a purebred pup. As others have said on the list, the reason to purchase a purebred dog is not the fact that you want to breed the dog, but rather you are searching for a particular type of dog, that will grow to a certain size, have a certain temperament, and whose parents have passed health checks on all known in this case Yorkie problems. There is no 100% guarantee that such a puppy will always be healthy, but it is a good starting point. A reputable breeder will health check the parents, the pups, and will insure that the pups are reared in a way that will maximize their mental,emotional, and physical health. There are certain techniques breeders can use to stimulate the pups neuro systems, and the breeder will insure the pups are socialized to many different stimuli. Loud noises such as vacuum cleaners, children, adults, teenagers, different surfaces etc. They will have performed temperament test assessments on their pups so that they have a better ability to match the dog to the owners needs. This is what you pay for, when you buy a purebred dog or cat for that matter. A reputable breeder will interview you as closely as you will interview them. They will offer both a contract and a health warranty.

Just a word of warning the initial cost of the dog is the least of your financial investment. There will be regular vet bills, grooming (either professional or you will need to invest in some equipment to do it yourself), despite the best pedigree your pup still might get ill, so there will be the cost of that medical treatment. If you travel and we all do at some point, who will care for your dog?, or will you take your dog with you?. There is training costs of some nature depending on what you wish to do with your dog.

In my opinion if someone is offering to sell me a dog with no papers as purebred that would be a red flag to me.

Maybe you can look at yorkie rescues in your area, an older dog will have been potty trained, and through the rescue health checked, temperament tested, and give you lots of wonderfull advice and help with your rescue.

[misslissa]

I have to say something i have a friend i have known all my life and she breeds shelties for show when she has a accident litter meaning that it was not a pairing she planned on in advance she dose not register the litter she feels like it would be cheating people out of money.
however she will show both parents papers so the person knows what they are getting ask why they are not coming with papers it may be that the litter is not as nice as they expected (puppies are big or small or something) so they are making sure to the best of there abilities the pups are not bread

[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by gemy

I think you came to a good place for advice. First if the parents are not registered with a reputable dog registry how sure can you be that you are actually purchasing a purebred pup. As others have said on the list, the reason to purchase a purebred dog is not the fact that you want to breed the dog, but rather you are searching for a particular type of dog, that will grow to a certain size, have a certain temperament, and whose parents have passed health checks on all known in this case Yorkie problems. There is no 100% guarantee that such a puppy will always be healthy, but it is a good starting point. A reputable breeder will health check the parents, the pups, and will insure that the pups are reared in a way that will maximize their mental,emotional, and physical health. There are certain techniques breeders can use to stimulate the pups neuro systems, and the breeder will insure the pups are socialized to many different stimuli. Loud noises such as vacuum cleaners, children, adults, teenagers, different surfaces etc. They will have performed temperament test assessments on their pups so that they have a better ability to match the dog to the owners needs. This is what you pay for, when you buy a purebred dog or cat for that matter. A reputable breeder will interview you as closely as you will interview them. They will offer both a contract and a health warranty.

Just a word of warning the initial cost of the dog is the least of your financial investment. There will be regular vet bills, grooming (either professional or you will need to invest in some equipment to do it yourself), despite the best pedigree your pup still might get ill, so there will be the cost of that medical treatment. If you travel and we all do at some point, who will care for your dog?, or will you take your dog with you?. There is training costs of some nature depending on what you wish to do with your dog.

In my opinion if someone is offering to sell me a dog with no papers as purebred that would be a red flag to me.

Maybe you can look at yorkie rescues in your area, an older dog will have been potty trained, and through the rescue health checked, temperament tested, and give you lots of wonderfull advice and help with your rescue.

Outstanding post! Totally agree. I kid my wife that the Yorkie is a $20,000 fog, when you include the initial cost, grooming for 13 years, food, Vet bills, 2 bouts of pancreatitis, fence around the entire yard, cloths, bags, airline tickets, stroller, car seat, etc. Maybe the cost is more than $20,000, but she is worth that, and more! It cost over $700 for a teeth cleaning and a few extractions....including stitches, and meds.

If you are not a breeder, limited is fine, but buy from a reputable person that does all that testing, and is a good person.

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by misslissa

it may be that the litter is not as nice as they expected (puppies are big or small or something) so they are making sure to the best of there abilities the pups are not bread

Reputable AKC breeders place pet quality puppies with limited registration to insure that they aren't bred.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by misslissa

I have to say something i have a friend i have known all my life and she breeds shelties for show when she has a accident litter meaning that it was not a pairing she planned on in advance she dose not register the litter she feels like it would be cheating people out of money.
however she will show both parents papers so the person knows what they are getting ask why they are not coming with papers it may be that the litter is not as nice as they expected (puppies are big or small or something) so they are making sure to the best of there abilities the pups are not bread

A pup without AKC papers can still be bred...puppies just aren't able to be AKC registered. The only way one can guarantee that a pup isn't bred is to spay/nueter them prior to leaving the home.

A reputable breeder would never sell an oops breeding...puppies would be placed in approved homes. Even with a planned yorkie breeding, pups can be to large or too small, or not be just right for the ring/breeding, those are the pups that are placed in pet homes.

[bbright14]

Thank you all for your great advice.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

Outstanding post! Totally agree. I kid my wife that the Yorkie is a $20,000 fog, when you include the initial cost, grooming for 13 years, food, Vet bills, 2 bouts of pancreatitis, fence around the entire yard, cloths, bags, airline tickets, stroller, car seat, etc. Maybe the cost is more than $20,000, but she is worth that, and more! It cost over $700 for a teeth cleaning and a few extractions....including stitches, and meds.

If you are not a breeder, limited is fine, but buy from a reputable person that does all that testing, and is a good person.

LOL I can so identify - I joke when people call their houses "money pits" -- I have three cash cows at home disguised in yorkie costumes!