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JeanieK · 03-13-2010, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Reese1

Personally, NO I don't think it's fair. I hate to say it but this person doesn't sound like a reputable or responsible breeder or they would be keeping the puppy and providing the shots already!
I'm guessing that's why breeders who aren't very reputable want to turn them loose at 6-8 weeks to avoid any or at least the 2nd set of shots cost.
Does this breeder have any kind of contract, health guarantee?
I'm not sure if you did any research on them to see if there are complaints, problems with sick puppies, etc...
Those are things to think about, especially with getting a puppy that young.

After 6 weeks they get to be a lot more work. Mother is done caring for them and cleaning up after them. The breeder is constantly cleaning up poop and feeding, and if they have several litters it can be a full time job. so that is why they like to send them off to their new homes.

It is pure selfishness and laziness on the part of the breeder. they do not have the puppies's best interest in mind. Nor are they thinking of the new homes and how well the puppies will adjust. they just want the money.

JeanieK · 03-13-2010, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MissEllieMae

OMG. I brought Miss Ellie home at 6 weeks. On her first trip to the vet, she weighed 1.02 lbs. she hasn't had any problems and at about 10 weeks, she's at least doubled her weight. She eats like a horse and poops like one too.

At 10 weeks the problems have not even started yet. give it a few more months.

JeanieK · 03-13-2010, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jsum0528

Please don't get mad at me fellow YT'ers. I talked to my breeder and she explained to me why she told me to pick up the puppy at the 7th week. I overlooked something she wrote in the puppy contract that says the first date I could possibly pick up the puppy was at 7 weeks. She explained to me there was no problem and no extra charge for keeping the puppy longer even including the second vaccination. Well anyways the reason why she suggested for me to take him at 7 weeks was because "a puppies' bonding period is at 7 weeks old". I talked to my vet while I got my Sheltie a booster and he agrees with her. Doing some more research on my own online, she is correct. However, I understand everyone's concern (I was starting to doubt her myself) but I can see why she would suggest 7 weeks as a behaviorist/trainer. She only has one or two litters a year so I can see her answer being one of a trainer and not a breeder. Well anywho, I decided to keep him there for another three weeks so I can entertain you fine folk (jk ^.^), get him his second set of shots at week 10, and not offend my breeder.

Oh BTW sorry I know I asked if it was okay for the breeder to charge $50-$100 more was just my question to see if I should pay her more if she asked for it but she doesn't. I felt kind of bad for asking as I doubted the breeder.

Oh talked to the breeder for about half an hour and she updated me on the puppy. He's 14oz at 4weeks. His mother already growls at him so the breeder has to do most of the puppy caring besides feeding of course. Got the list of supplies I need including what food she's feeding him now. Oh I was also thinking about buying a playpen from amazon ( Amazon.com: Precision Pet Soft Side Play Yard, Navy/Tan, Large: Home & Garden) because I do work and go to school but my mom works days and dad works nights so someone will be home at all times to feed and let him out but still want a place to let him play while my Sheltie stares him down. Well anyways thanks for all your advice.

I do not know of one instance where a puppy, that was taken home at 12 weeks or later, that had trouble bonding. Mine all learned instantly that they wanted to be on my lap.

I think if the puppy is played with and held by the breeder that it will love humans. However a puppy that is left in a crate and has very little human contact will take much longer to bond, simply becuse they were not bonded to HUMANS in general.

Mardelin · 03-13-2010, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Reese1

Great info!

I'm also curious about the credentials this breeder has to call herself an animal behaviorist/trainer.
To the OP did you verify her training, registrations, accreditations, etc..?
I could see where someone would think this gives a breeder merit, but I wonder what the details are.
I say that because it still seems bothersome to me this breeder is willing to turn these puppies over at 7 weeks which is before it's even recommended they have their first shots and that's before it's even legal in some states.

Valid points. Animal Behaviorists are certified but, are trained as a General Practitioner....one size fits all. For the most part they are trained in rehabiliting unwanted behavior. Usually not specializing in Toy Breeds.

Reese1 · 03-13-2010, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin

Valid points. Animal Behaviorists are certified but, are trained as a General Practitioner....one size fits all. For the most part they are trained in rehabiliting unwanted behavior. Usually not specializing in Toy Breeds.

I guess that is what concerns me.
Someone looking for a puppy would find a breeder advertising herself as an animal behaviorist/trainer as appealing, but it doesn't necessarily mean anything!
I don't know if the OP is buying from her local area, but I did a search in IL and I found a site of a breeder with Yorkies that advertises as a trainer/behaviorist, though not much info is given.
Then when you google, I'm only finding that info listed in the puppy for sale ads. I don't see any ads for her training services.

Nancy1999 · 03-13-2010, 07:34 AM

It sounds like your mind is made up, but I can tell you that your vet did not have specific breed training in yorkies. Most vets learn specifics about Yorkies from good yorkie breeders. While he is correct that puppies need early human socialization, they get this through the breeder, another reason why chosing a knowledgable breeder is important. Don't forget the YTCA is the mother club for the Yorkie, they are they experts and work closely with good vets on what’s best for these dogs, and they recommend a minimum of 12 weeks, so this means that your breeder has chosen to ignore the word of the mother club, and wants to make her own rules, based on other breed knowledge, or even allow buyers to decide what's best. By the way, as long as the yorkie hasn't been abused by humans, yorkies will no problem bonding with you, why do you think we have named them little Velcro dogs?

kelsie123186 · 03-13-2010, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JeanieK

I do not know of one instance where a puppy, that was taken home at 12 weeks or later, that had trouble bonding. Mine all learned instantly that they wanted to be on my lap.

I think if the puppy is played with and held by the breeder that it will love humans. However a puppy that is left in a crate and has very little human contact will take much longer to bond, simply becuse they were not bonded to HUMANS in general.

Agreed, We didnt take Bailey until around 14 weeks because she was so tiny and I have NEVER in my life owned a dog that I have a closer and stronger bond with.

Mardelin · 03-13-2010, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kelsie123186

Agreed, We didnt take Bailey until around 14 weeks because she was so tiny and I have NEVER in my life owned a dog that I have a closer and stronger bond with.

The reason being is that Yorkies are very social dogs and love human interaction.....Very different breed, that's what makes them special

JeanieK · 03-13-2010, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Reese1

I guess that is what concerns me.
Someone looking for a puppy would find a breeder advertising herself as an animal behaviorist/trainer as appealing, but it doesn't necessarily mean anything!
I don't know if the OP is buying from her local area, but I did a search in IL and I found a site of a breeder with Yorkies that advertises as a trainer/behaviorist, though not much info is given.
Then when you google, I'm only finding that info listed in the puppy for sale ads. I don't see any ads for her training services.

I think she said Local.

Reese1 · 03-13-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JeanieK

I think she said Local.

I hope it's not the site I found, though I have a feeling it is!

Nancy1999 · 03-13-2010, 02:17 PM

Sometimes I think we need a sticky on "Dog Trainers". This is taken from one site:

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People call themselves behaviorists and trainers, and it sounds very prestigious, but there really is no law that says they need to have a certain kind of education," says Stephanie Shain, director of outreach for companion animals for the Humane Society of the United States.

So if there's no licensing or testing required, how can you tell a real pro from some guy who just got tired of selling insurance and decided to call himself a dog trainer? Check dog trainer's credentials before starting classes - Nashville, Tennessee - Friday, 02/16/07 - Tennessean.com.

Many breeders are calling themselves "dog trainers" in order to sound like they know what they are doing. Actions speak louder than words.

Reese1 · 03-13-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Sometimes I think we need a sticky on "Dog Trainers". This is taken from one site:

Many breeders are calling themselves "dog trainers" in order to sound like they know what they are doing. Actions speak louder than words.

Exactly! To a lot of people this would instill confidence in their choice of a breeder and I hate to think this is a tactic breeders will start to use to sell puppies!
I'm not saying that's the case here, but it's food for thought!

JeanieK · 03-13-2010, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Reese1

I hope it's not the site I found, though I have a feeling it is!

Would you PM me with the site that you found?

Reese1 · 03-13-2010, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JeanieK

Would you PM me with the site that you found?

I pm'd you!

JeanieK · 03-13-2010, 05:01 PM

It amazes me that people put more effort into finding the right pair of shoes than they do into finding the right dog.

Just going through the process of comparison shopping would teach them a great deal about the differences in breeders, And why this puppy costs more than that puppy. And why this breeder does things different than that breeder, and which way is the most generally accepted.

03-13-2010, 07:34 AM	#36
Nancy1999 I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 25,396 Blog Entries: 2	It sounds like your mind is made up, but I can tell you that your vet did not have specific breed training in yorkies. Most vets learn specifics about Yorkies from good yorkie breeders. While he is correct that puppies need early human socialization, they get this through the breeder, another reason why chosing a knowledgable breeder is important. Don't forget the YTCA is the mother club for the Yorkie, they are they experts and work closely with good vets on what’s best for these dogs, and they recommend a minimum of 12 weeks, so this means that your breeder has chosen to ignore the word of the mother club, and wants to make her own rules, based on other breed knowledge, or even allow buyers to decide what's best. By the way, as long as the yorkie hasn't been abused by humans, yorkies will no problem bonding with you, why do you think we have named them little Velcro dogs? __________________ NancyJoey Proud members of the CrAzYcLuB and YAP! ** Just Say No to Puppymills – Join YAP! Yorkshire Terrier Club of America – Breeder Referrals Last edited by Nancy1999; 03-13-2010 at 07:36 AM.

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JeanieK Donating YT 12K Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Council Bluffs Iowa Posts: 12,552	It amazes me that people put more effort into finding the right pair of shoes than they do into finding the right dog. Just going through the process of comparison shopping would teach them a great deal about the differences in breeders, And why this puppy costs more than that puppy. And why this breeder does things different than that breeder, and which way is the most generally accepted.