Purse Puppies?

[WV~Yorkies]

Originally Posted by Reese1

Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I think you are making my point!
You said some breeders are not getting $500, even their "teacup" ones and if they didn't use those terms, they would have to give them away with the economy!
That sounds like they are getting more for their smaller puppies and using those words to gain interest in them.
I'm saying if I were a breeder and a good one, my response would be what you said you tell people "standard 4-7lbs" and I would never say anything different. I would never want to attract buyers who are hung up on getting the smallest dog they can find!
Those words are not the only red flags, but NO, I wouldn't even contact a breeder who uses them to try and sell puppies. They might have nice Yorkies, but I'm already turned off by their sales tactics and I wouldn't go any further. Plus if a breeder has puppies that are under standard on a regular basis, then they aren't trying to stay with the breeding standard and that isn't what I would want!
I'm sorry, that's just my opinion!

What I am trying to say are the breeders I know around here are old fashion. They are not computer people and just don't know any better. They think anything under 10 pounds is a teacup. Trying to explain that to them is like talking to a brick wall but they are good people..good breeder and not breeding for teacups.

You would be surprised at the people here that I have had PM's from the first things they want to know is she going to be tiny and price.. Tiny to me is no better than using teacup.

The last puppy I sold I was so impressed with the lady we talked for a long time on the phone and the price was the last thing she asked me. That is the kind of people I love talking to. Other things are more important than price and size.

[WV~Yorkies]

I have to admitt I may not be explaining myself well. I am running on an hour sleep and have been totally snowed in for days...so I am cranky and need to go back to bed and try again..LOL

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by WV~Yorkies

What I am trying to say are the breeders I know around here are old fashion. They are not computer people and just don't know any better. They think anything under 10 pounds is a teacup. Trying to explain that to them is like talking to a brick wall but they are good people..good breeder and not breeding for teacups.

You would be surprised at the people here that I have had PM's from the first things they want to know is she going to be tiny and price.. Tiny to me is no better than using teacup.

The last puppy I sold I was so impressed with the lady we talked for a long time on the phone and the price was the last thing she asked me. That is the kind of people I love talking to. Other things are more important than price and size.

I totally agree. When the first quwestion is the price. I know I am not going to sell a puppy. However I do politely tell them that whether or not they buy from me "please do not buy a puppy bassed on price alone".

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by MadDeDo

My personal problem with these terms is that so many people get caught up in the hype and truly believe that a "teacup yorkie" "purse yorkie" whatever are a completely different BREED or TYPE of Yorkie. I have had this phone call MANY times and while you try and try to explain that there is NO such thing, it has already been hard wired into their brains because of the advertising. I also feel this is in part the fault of celebrities who started this mess.

Yes I have had people argue with me and TELL me that what I have are "teacups" because their neighbor has as "teacup" and it looks just like mine.

Hard to argue with that kind of logic.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by TresCutePiggies

I completely agree. I just feel like anyone who uses the word without clarifying there is no such thing feeds into the misconception that yorkies have different classes like poodles or something (toy, miniature, standard). I wouldn't be surprised if some get dumped because they get too big for a purse either. It's exactly like the video said - it's almost like a fashion trend that has passed. I hope that no reptuable breeder would ever use the term purse puppy, but the more I see the more it seems there aren't many truly reptuable breeders out there. Not to say there aren't any, just that there are a very small percentage compared to all the "breeders" out there.

I was looking at a website that stated she has AKCm registered "teacups" and "standard" size yorkies.

IMO that is intentionally misleading, to make people believe they are two entirely different classes.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Robin Lodal

I am offended that you would never sell to me. That really hurts my feelings.

As for celebrities having dogs, I just read an article the other day saying Paris had more than 20 dogs! I HIGHLY doubt she does any poop scooping!

I'm sorry, I sholuld have specified unless they are YT members.

Ya Paris with a Pooper Scooper. Now that would be a photo for the tabloids.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by red98vett

I bet breeders do hear that all the time. I guess we all can be grateful no one's come up with the term "Live Fashion Accessory" because that IS what quite a few so called 'celebs' did to small dogs

not to mention - the bragging over the PET STORES where they purchased them. Oprah nailed it with her shows on puppy mills - I didn't see it because it aired when I was at work - but I wish 'celebs' would follow suit and start speaking AGAINST pet stores and I wish all these 'breeders' would quit with the catch phrases.

It's like there's a SIZE obsession going on and it's dangerous for the dogs. Some are meant to be tiny - like a Chi - but to intentionally go smaller and smaller with yorkies can only hurt the breed as a whole. Just look at all the LS and other devestating illnesses we're seeing so much of....The dogs suffer but it's not stopping people from trying to profit off the small breed craze

OH NO Now yhou've done it. That term will start showing up on yorkie websites.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by WV~Yorkies

What I am trying to say are the breeders I know around here are old fashion. They are not computer people and just don't know any better. They think anything under 10 pounds is a teacup. Trying to explain that to them is like talking to a brick wall but they are good people..good breeder and not breeding for teacups.

You would be surprised at the people here that I have had PM's from the first things they want to know is she going to be tiny and price.. Tiny to me is no better than using teacup.

The last puppy I sold I was so impressed with the lady we talked for a long time on the phone and the price was the last thing she asked me. That is the kind of people I love talking to. Other things are more important than price and size.

This isn't about people calling dog's teacups; many people think that the word teacup is interchangeable with the word toy. If you watch the video, it's about people, mostly young girls who think the purse puppy is a fashion accessory and don't understand that dogs are a living breathing thing with needs. The dogs are being dumped off at animal shelters when people realize this. I don't care what words the buyer uses, I do hate it when breeders use these words to sell dogs.

Originally Posted by WV~Yorkies

Disagree with what the people in my area are doing it to make money? Some breeders I know are not even getting $500 a pup here..even their teacup ones. So I don't think they are doing it for money..If they are and didn't use that term they would have to give them away the economy is so bad. Like I said that is not always the case. Since the world wide web has came along things have change and ALOT of online people do it to make money. I am not disagreeing there. If the word teacup is the only red flag I just say call and talk to them if the pups look nice and they are resonably price . . .

To say that they aren't breeding for the money because they are only selling them for less than $500 is unreasonable. Many millers make much less than that and sell the to brokers. As you say, the economy is the reason they are selling them so low. Once greeders have the dogs, anything they get for the puppies is profit. They mate them as often as they can and ignore the health of their dogs.

Your post points out that breeders will use the word teacup, and it just means a dog may be under 10 pounds, another reason for buyers to beware of breeders who use the word "teacup."

[Reese1]

Originally Posted by WV~Yorkies

What I am trying to say are the breeders I know around here are old fashion. They are not computer people and just don't know any better. They think anything under 10 pounds is a teacup. Trying to explain that to them is like talking to a brick wall but they are good people..good breeder and not breeding for teacups.

You would be surprised at the people here that I have had PM's from the first things they want to know is she going to be tiny and price.. Tiny to me is no better than using teacup.

The last puppy I sold I was so impressed with the lady we talked for a long time on the phone and the price was the last thing she asked me. That is the kind of people I love talking to. Other things are more important than price and size.

No, I'm not surprised that so many buyers ask about tiny Yorkies and the price.
I understand what you are saying about the breeders in your area. I just hold breeders to a higher standard when it comes to how they market and try and sell their animals. They are supposed to be the professionals and should be able to educate the buyers, not keep the bad terms going.

If a breeder has done their education, research and is breeding for the betterment of the breed. They should know what the terms mean and wouldn't be using them. I'm not saying they are all bad people by any means, but they wouldn't be the kind of breeder I would turn to for a puppy.

[WV~Yorkies]

Originally Posted by Reese1

No, I'm not surprised that so many buyers ask about tiny Yorkies and the price.
I understand what you are saying about the breeders in your area. I just hold breeders to a higher standard when it comes to how they market and try and sell their animals. They are supposed to be the professionals and should be able to educate the buyers, not keep the bad terms going.

If a breeder has done their education, research and is breeding for the betterment of the breed. They should know what the terms mean and wouldn't be using them. I'm not saying they are all bad people by any means, but they wouldn't be the kind of breeder I would turn to for a puppy.

I think the same thing about the word teapot but that is acceptabe. There is no such thing as a teapot but since they are lower priced that is alright.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Reese1

No, I'm not surprised that so many buyers ask about tiny Yorkies and the price.
I understand what you are saying about the breeders in your area. I just hold breeders to a higher standard when it comes to how they market and try and sell their animals. They are supposed to be the professionals and should be able to educate the buyers, not keep the bad terms going.

If a breeder has done their education, research and is breeding for the betterment of the breed. They should know what the terms mean and wouldn't be using them. I'm not saying they are all bad people by any means, but they wouldn't be the kind of breeder I would turn to for a puppy.

I believe that what she is trying to say is that many breeders who use that as a descriptive term are ignorant of it's negative conotation. They use terms such as tiny, or teacup, or baby doll face to describe the size or face, not to market the puppies. They could just as easily post the dog's size or weight, and describe the face as being short muzzle, but it is just easier to use the terms.

In other words, they just use it as a description not as a marketing technique.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I believe that what she is trying to say is that many breeders who use that as a descriptive term are ignorant of it's negative conotation. They use terms such as tiny, or teacup, or baby doll face to describe the size or face, not to market the puppies. They could just as easily post the dog's size or weight, and describe the face as being short muzzle, but it is just easier to use the terms.

In other words, they just use it as a description not as a marketing technique.

I think it's a marketing technique, no doubt about it. She even says,

Some breeders I know are not even getting $500 a pup here..even their teacup ones. So I don't think they are doing it for money..If they are and didn't use that term they would have to give them away the economy is so bad.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Reese1

No, I'm not surprised that so many buyers ask about tiny Yorkies and the price.
I understand what you are saying about the breeders in your area. I just hold breeders to a higher standard when it comes to how they market and try and sell their animals. They are supposed to be the professionals and should be able to educate the buyers, not keep the bad terms going.

If a breeder has done their education, research and is breeding for the betterment of the breed. They should know what the terms mean and wouldn't be using them. I'm not saying they are all bad people by any means, but they wouldn't be the kind of breeder I would turn to for a puppy.

In addition, I find the term "betterment of the breed" to be overused and misleading. Just because a breeder tries to breed a better looking yorkie, in order to win at the shows, does not mean they are bettering the breed.

Many breeds have deteriorated, in the attempt to breed in accordance with the standard. The so called byb's are accused of breeding just for the money, but there are also SOME, not all, show breeders who will disregard the health of the dog if it means breeding one that will win a championship. And they hide behind the "betterment of the breed" theory.

[WV~Yorkies]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I believe that what she is trying to say is that many breeders who use that as a descriptive term are ignorant of it's negative conotation. They use terms such as tiny, or teacup, or baby doll face to describe the size or face, not to market the puppies. They could just as easily post the dog's size or weight, and describe the face as being short muzzle, but it is just easier to use the terms.

In other words, they just use it as a description not as a marketing technique.

Thank You!! That is what I have been trying to say! My brain is dead this morning.. I truely need to go back to bed!

I do know there are so bad ones out there that do know better and try to profit...but some it is just words.

[WV~Yorkies]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

In addition, I find the term "betterment of the breed" to be overused and misleading. Just because a breeder tries to breed a better looking yorkie, in order to win at the shows, does not mean they are bettering the breed.

Many breeds have deteriorated, in the attempt to breed in accordance with the standard. The so called byb's are accused of breeding just for the money, but there are also SOME, not all, show breeders who will disregard the health of the dog if it means breeding one that will win a championship. And they hide behind the "betterment of the breed" theory.