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I do have a question in regards to breeding and looking for a good breeder

It says show breeders breed to improve the breed , standard is between 4-7 pds, show breeders breed for " show quality dogs" and have the occasional puppy for sale!

I am very curious why Brynstar in the last year has

3) 2 pound dogs listed on puppy find that are a year old

and Izzy and her litter mate that are currently 10 pds?

Wouldnt that mean there is a deffinate problem with this line ?

From an outsiders point of view this seems extreem for someone that breeds " show quality dogs"

The standard reads not to exceed 7 pounds.

By no means am I taking up for Brynstar. However, in breeding to improve the breed with the best representation of the breed and because the Yorkshire Terrier was comprised of so many breeds. It is possible to produce two 10 pound litter mates with a 2 pound one.

No reputable breeder would sell a tiny, but would place it in a qualified home that understands the possibility exists vet bills may be incurred. Reputable breeders don't want to sell heartace.

However, no reputable Breeder/Exhibitor would place a breeding dog prior to 7 months of age and the dog must have all the qualities of a show dog, with a stringent contract and expect it to be Championed.

Thank you , I just enjoy reading about the dogs in the show and Hope to attend this weekends show in NYC since it is only 3 hours away!! I was lucky enough to attend a AKC show a couple of weeks ago and it was just amazing.!!
While I was there speaking to a woman, she had a stunning puppy but she said she may not reach size to continue showing.. I thought this meant 4 pounds?
So my question is when breeding show quality dogs would your goal be to bread dogs reaching weight between 4 and 7 pounds?
Or can you have a dog in the ring under 4 pounds?

I would never breed a girl under 5 pounds (I prefer my girls between 6 & 7 pounds). However, there are other factors that fit into the equation. Does she come from a long line of free whelpers, bone structure (smaller boned seem to have more problems when whelping), having her reproductive organs examined to make sure that there is plenty of room for her to carry pups to term, can carry a large litter (more than 3).

You can Champion a smaller boy much easier than a smaller girl. Always remembering that the purpose of showing is to gain approval of your breeding stock.

If you get to New York......you will see that most of the dogs are not on the small size, very much the contrary....

Actually I didnt have to be in NYC to see that, It was very different to see the dogs even in Fitchburg, they were , I guess one would call it the larger size.. But they were still small.. they were longer, and leaner and taller..They were as pretty as a picture!! They were not short and cobby and NOT " babydoll" faced thats for sure:D They had coats that not only looked like silk but felt like silk too.. after the show the people let us hold them pet them talk to them. Even the puppies had coats that were so pretty !! I guess the best thing of all is how friendly and nice the show people are. That is why I am hoping to go!!Thank you so much for explaining that to me:D

I need to add something here on the brynstar controversy

I just lost my show dog which is a brynstar dog and he was a year and a half old he was fine this morning and just killed over dead about and hour ago blu has been sent for a necropsy he was sold to me on a show and breeding contract now let's go back to the very beginning
when i bought blu it was for a show dog when he was shipped to me
he was shipped with an open font that was not diclosed to me until after he arrived and i called and asked steph about this and she said yes her vet had found it but neglected to call me and tell me before she shipped him
she did not give me the courtesy of refusing the dog because of this
problem i guess she did not think i would find it
i wrote her recently and told her i had breed blu and he produced an open font pup and he was in the works to be neutered she has not returned my emails or my phone calls
i am very devastated right at this moment and have no clue why my boy
dropped dead i guess i will know in about 10 day's

I am so sorry for the loss of Blu. :(

I'm so sorry for your loss. I hope the necropsy can give you the answers to what happened to Blu.

I am very sorry for your loss!!

Wow, I am so sorry for your lose! I guess you just never know these days!

Oh my goodness! I am so sorry about your little boy! That would be devastating. I hope you are able to find out what happened.

You will find a much different atmosphere at the Specialty......the exhibitors though still friendly are bit more focused with getting their dogs ready....after all this is The Big Show.....

this is blu

he was my little champion with a big heart he was a ukc champion and has been shown and was to be shown in akc this summer


tammi i know your problems are bad but at least she is alive

:( I am truly so very sorry for your loss! Such a beautiful boy!

Seeing his picture has me in tears...I am just so sorry for you and your family!!

I am so sorry for your loss, Blu was a beautiful little being not sure if i have
seen one that is any more gorgeous

Such a beautiful boy! What a lose! Sending hugs to you and your family in such a devastating time!:hug:

So sorry
 

I will never forget watching Blu take his puppy class at the big AKC show last March. Such a gorgeous boy and so full of show attitude and life. it is hard to believe he is gone. R.I.P. Blu

I am so sorry for your loss. such a gorgeous baby boy...
my deepest condolences to you..
hugs,
Carmen in nj

I'm am so sorry you have lost your blu. And, do hope you get answers for his early passing.

Did I understand your above post correctly, in that your bred blu, knowing about his open fontanel? Had it closed before he was bred, I'm curious?

I can not wrap my mind around the fact that, Stephanie shipped him to you, knowing of his condition, and the dangers involved.:mad:

Where has the love and ethics in yorkie breeding gone to:confused: It is as though the yorkie world has gone insane with greed.

The breeder is NOT being bashed for the "accident", she is being bashed for something she has complete control over. Adevertising the pups with her name behind them. If you value your reputation, that is Pretty dumb, in my opinion.

Blu was gorgeous!!! I am so very sorry for this loss, how desvestating for you.. I will watch for updates to see what the post mortem has to say.. sending hugs!!!!

I find that hard to believe too, uless, of course, they had help. :rolleyes: And certainly it did not happen quickly, there would have been plenty of timed to separate them. Didn't you notice him sniffing her when you first put them out together? That would have been my first clue that she was in heat.

yes it did close and we bred him once to see and because we had an open font pup he was to be fixed and so ends his line
i did send steph and email about this but never got a reply from her

Bless your heart, I truly am sorry, your blu was a beautiful boy.

Somehow, it doesn't surprise me you never heard back from her. And, it wouldn't surprise me to read, when you wanted to purchase blu, it was a different story, she couldn't get back to you fast enough.

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I do not know whatb Tammy's reason was for not breeding Izzy, but I can understand why she would NOT return her to the breeder to be sold to someone else for breeding, when she herself felt she should not be bred.

i did talk to steph many times by email and phone and sent her email reports from my vet but she keep assuring me that her vet felt it was nothing to worry about but of course i kept questioning it and now my liitle attidue is gone and i am in totall shock he just laid down and was gone no signs of nothing just gone my vet said stroke heart attack 100 different things as he just did a teeth cleaning on him in july before a show and he just could not say but he felt it was an underlying problem we did not know about

Rose, so very sorry for your loss of little Blu, how devastating to have him pass like that with now warning. Hugs to you:rose:
Martha

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thank you all this has been a really bad day for me as i had so much hope to show him this year in akc he was my special boy

Brynstar
 

Rose, I am so sorry to hear of your loss of Blu.. I know how much you loved him and I am very interested in finding out what your vet finds in the necropsy....
However, I cannot believe you would come on YT and start chiming in on the bashing of me, without first talking to me about this. You and I both know that we have talked many times about Blu and even discussed a replacement dog with you if infact his font did not close up and you were in agreeance with that, as you said this is what you would want... The last time we spoke you were showing him and very happy with him and you said yourself the font was closed and you were going to breed him. As far as him throwing a puppy with an open font,it is not uncommon for small yorkie puppies to be born with an open font and can take up to a year to close sometimes... and you know this... we have had many discussions about this and even your vet confirmed this with you...

On Tammy...... You also know that right from the start I stayed in contact with you when you first mentioned that Izzy had a problem.. My immediate reaction was to let you know that i would gladly replace her for you, and you took such defense to that... This was not a strike at you, but this is what any reputable breeder would have done... When i realized you wanted no part of returning her, and spoke more in detail about her problem, it was then that i learned that the first vet that you had check out izzy said she was in perfect health, condition, and even bragged to you about how well taken care of she was..... then, you take her in for shots to another vet months later and all of the sudden she has LP and needs surgery.... I did not think it was uncalled for me to ask you for another opinion as alot of vets grade knees differently.... I even told you that I would work with you on paying for the surgery if it was necessary, but again, you took offense to this!
and i never heard from you again..... so what happened? did you take her in for another opinion and get a different report? if not, then why hasnt she had the surgery yet??

I'm sorry... I do not get on YT or the computer very much... I only come on here because i start getting phone calls about people talking about me.. I have told many people, if you feel the need to talk to me quickly, please call me instead of emailing me....... I am a single mother with a 3 year old daughter that just had surgery YESTERDAY and the fact that I am on here now trying to defend myself is sickening, when I know and everyone who knows me, knows that I have always tried to do right by people....

Take care Yorkie Talk.....