I was the one who called Stephanie and inquired about the puppies on puppy find. As I stated in the other thread, she seemed VERY involved and gave me no reason to think she wasn't. If she wasn't, why not list her sister or her boyfriend's number or email on puppyfind (like she did Angela), instead of her own? Anyway, she answered all my questions and even offered additional information. For instance, (this is not word for word) I asked her how old the puppies were, when they were would be ready, etc... and she said that they were eating really well at 3 or so weeks and they are going to wait another 3 weeks or so. She said SHE would give them their first shot around then and then they would be leaving at 6-7 weeks.... also said they would be 6-8lb full grown, etc etc. She knew a LOT about the puppies to not be involved. If she does not agree to what she told me on the phone, then she should have no part in selling the puppies. No one can FORCE you to do something that you, yourself feels unethical. And IMO, if you are having prospective puppy buyers calling you to get more information, then you are VERY involved.

I also, for clarification, asked if she had any other mixed breeds (morkies, yorkipoos) and she said "no". She said that she just bred Yorkies. That's when she went to explain it was her sister's boyfriend's dog (mini schnauzer, 12lbs) but again, never mentioned accident and from the way she said it and from what a buyer standpoint I guess would assume (with the tone, wording, etc) it was something that was planned... I am NOT saying it was 100% planned (gosh, don't freakin' sue me, how childish)... I am speaking from a buyer's standpoint, it did not sound like that. But then again, looks can be deceiving so it could've been an accident.. who knows anymore. She never mentioned a spay/neuter contract but then again, I didn't ask.

I don't care what she or Angela says... from a buyer standpoint - she is just as involved as the boyfriend. Maybe it WAS accidental but I did not get that from the phone call at all (IMO). But then again, she is trying to sell the puppies, right... so I guess someone wouldn't outright say is was indeed accidental, if they are charging 600. Hmmm...

I also disagree from advertising the CH lines when selling these puppies. How embarrassing for her to have her lines listed with these puppies. If she has worked so hard for her lines and I am sure she wants to protect it, she did not have to list the CH lines, etc I guess its a way to plump up prices.



and Tammy, your Iz is just adorable. I don't think she is mixed but if you want to do a DNA, then that's up to you. I know you love her to pieces and someone that says "just ship them back" is ridiculous. When you bring home a pet, you are making a commitment not only to yourself but to THEM. So often people think about themselves and not about the pet. Then there are some of us, who no longer see them as pets, but as a part of our family, as babies. NEVER in my life would I ever expect someone to rehome a BABY. That's just ludacris. We have so many things in life, we have so many relationships but when the day is done, we are THEIR 'person' and I can't be more proud and humbled to say that I am my babies' 'person'. :') It makes me get teary eyed just typing it!

Sadly, Izzy's coat is the least of our concerns. She is also close to 10lbs. but again, that's also not the biggest of our concerns with Iz. She has issues other than the physical that we will have to forever monitor and if it worsens and our vet then recommends, she will have to have surgery.

So it sounds like she led you to believe that she only owns Yorkies, right? No mention of the fact that she has actually bred Schnauzers and that she does currently own (atleast )one named, Frankie....that she received from a breeder in exchange for Stephanie designing her website. ????

From talking with her, I would have no clue that she had any other dogs, besides Yorkies. We didn't go into detail about all of her dogs though. Cause I asked about mixes and she said she just had the Yorkies (by this, she could have meant just breeding). But I didn't know she had any other dogs until just now, reading it online.

I have seen where they have a slight wave to them in spots. My Denny does, not curly but a wave at his hips. I have a pet girl that she does have a very wavy coat.....I know that she is purebred.....but, does have a wavy coat, not curly.

Tammy,

And by all means don't take this the wrong way. I've spoken to YT members that have told me they did their research. Through the course of the conversation what they felt was research, really wasn't.

Research means, contacting other exhibitors and/or people that own the breeders puppies.

PM me.

I'm so sorry, I know how heartbreaking this can be, I think full purchase price should be refunded.

:thumbup:I agree! At the least, Tammy should have been given a tremendous refund, due to the fact she paid for breeding rights.

Oh my goodness. :eek:

Yep! ;) Even though some may not agree with me breeding the parti....I DO have morals and I am a good person!! I would NEVER breed Isabeau, EVER!!! But had it been left up to Stephanie, the deed was done.....I was free to breed her because, yes, she was sold to me with full registration. :rolleyes:

Oh my goodness, Mary...I do not take that the wrong way at all....you are VERY VERY right!!!! I wish that I had checked and then double checked and then triple checked. But, in all fairness, if I had then I am sure that I would have been deterred from buying Isabeau and I truly cannot imagine our family without her...I really can't!

Just goes to show that there are some breeders out there that do care about what they are breeding and what they produce! Tammy you are one of those!;) I won't give my opinion of Izzy's breeder, what she has done and NOT done for you is absolutely asinine!

Goodness Tammy, now I have to see my baby everytime you post!:eek: Your killing me!:p

Umm, Mary? I really hate to tell you this, but Cupcake is MINE!!!

Well, I can dream she is anyway. ;)

lol Isn't that baby just ADORABLE?! Those lil ears are killing me. :p

Since she is not breeding quality (and has health concerns) have you asked for what you paid extra for breeding rights? In my opinion, that is the least you should get back.

Or is that what you asked and she said send her back? If you don't want to talk details, you can PM - but I was just curious.

Thanks ladies! ;) Would you believe me of I told you that pictures do not show her true cuteness?! :eek: I mean, no joke...she is a DOLL!!!! I am treasuring these babies like crazy since this will be it for my Livi girl....no more babies. :(

Back off, Bonny! She is mine, well only in my dreams too!;)

Oh, I can't imagine her being any sweeter!

Tammy Izzy is 100% yorkie.....that is ALL stephanie has had, I rember her litter...a simple DNA test would reveal what I am saying. YES, Stephnie sure is a big girl and can take care of business. However, while y'all were bashing her she was in sugery with her toddler daughter. No, she dosen't need me to defend her, but I couldn't sit here all day and see what y'all were saying and knowing what she was going through with her baby girl.

As far as having a schnauzer NOW...Frankie, he is a BABY that was given to her for her daughter recently. I know better than to keep coming back in here, I know how it is when the " clique " or the ones who want in that clique are....HAVE to believe to worst. Everything isnt always what it looks like on the surface. Stephanie is an AWESOME breeder with AWESOME yorkies, She had two in her breeding show dogs and showing that were out of weight standard...Izzy was one of them. I do agree with you Tammy on she is a doll, I do love her face/head.

I don't kow how long its going to take this girl to catch on.........Flirt is 2000 I said at the time a few homes I have been talking to the price is lower, but they know who they are.

Also, all the sweet and intellegent PM'S have been great.....I am glad to see there are people who can think and ask questions for themselves. :aimeeyork

You say Izzy has a nice face and head....so you honestly think that I got what I paid for?? Are you saying that you believe Flirt, that you are currently trying to sell, is of the same quality of my Isabeau because the price is just about the same. :rolleyes: How about the ongoing vet bills and what if Izzy has to have surgery for her bilateral luxating patella...what if the natural route stops being a succesful alternative for her, then what? Do I think tack on the additonal $$$$ for those surgeries....out of my family's money??

Anyone can look at Izzy and see what kind of breeder Stephanie Cebrynski is....not to mention, the knee issues that I have to now take care of. What we paid is insulting considering I sold a GORGEOUS puppy (that I bred) a few months ago for far less and there was absolutely NO comparison in his quality versus what I got from Brynstar! :rolleyes:

YOU dont know how long its going to take me to get it???:eek:!!! Lady you are nuts... What changed since Last week when she was listed for 1000.00 , then you lowered her to 800.00?? You keep avoiding that question?? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME?? YOU ARE THE ONE PLAYING PRICE IS RIGHT WTH A DOG, YOU ARE THE ONE LISTING WITH AND WITH OUT PAPERS.. WHY ARE YOU AVOIDING THE QUESTIONS..
IF YOUR SUCH AN HONEST PERSON ANSWER THE QUESTIONS?
ARE YOU SELLING HER WTH OR WITH OUT PAPERS?
DOES THIS DOG HAVE AN OVERBITE
WHY DID YOU CHANGE HER PRICE FROM 800-2000,
THEY ARE VERY EASY QUESTIONS TO ANSWER SINCE YOU ARE SO HONEST ?
SO ... ANSWER THEM!
ARE YOU SPAYING FLIRT BEFORE YOU SELL HER?

And Angie you can PRETEND there is a big long list of people wanting to buy Flirt but there are to many intelligent people on this board who who not purchase a 1 year old , non spayed , non papered dog for 2 grand, I dont care what she weighs..
And as for Tammys Izzy, she didnt buy a HEAD and A FACE she bought the whole dog... !!!

Yes, your questions are simple enough, but YOU don't deserve an answer....you are a wate of my time. I haven't pretended there is a long list....are YOU crazy? There are however, great members here who have pm'd me or emailed me in support....they know who they are and I once again thank them.

Tammy, Get real. I didn't say you bouaght a head or a face, I just made a comment about Izzy's. I won't say more to you as you know where I stand on the options you had and so many people cry patella problems after the dog is old enough to run, jump, and play.......this also can cause patella problems that were not there when the puppy was born or sold, but of course the new owner NEVER takes that into cosideration. Happens here on this board to breeders as well. I am not a vet so I don't claim to know how or why Izzy has issues, but if you were so upset with them or more importanly didn't feel you got your moneys worth...you could have gotten another yorkie from a different breeding if you werent comfortable with that breeding .....you had options and no, sorry you don't get free yorkies at brynstar you would have had to return her, so you made the choice.

Look, I am done. I am not hiding from anyone, my contact information is listed, I won't be back on this thread.

One thing is for sure Flirt will sell........I could have sold her many times over by now, but I didn't feel it was the right home. I don't know when, but I will match the right home for her or I will keep her...easy as that. I won't be reading anymore of your cry me a river non sense or attacks from people who have not a clue. No, I am not even tempted to be back on this same old merry go round thread.

Good Bye:thumbup:

Angie

If a breeder is selling with breeding rights making sure the dog is sound and conforms to the standard is a part of that responsibility.
selling a yorkie with wrong coat type ,size and health issues for more money is ludacris perhaps breeders who sell with breeding rights should consider holding on to those dogs to make sure they are a true representaton of the breed.
Tammy Iz is sure a cutie I am sorry you were taken.

Angie,

Go back to sleep!!! I dont deserve an answer because the answer will simply show that greed is your only motivation... for the right price tag Flirt will end up on a plane to anywhere..... You keep saying lies, what lies have been told, over and over again I just asked you what motivated you to change the price for Flirt from 800-2000. I think many people thought you were a very caring person , looking for the " right" loving caring home. Then you decided to keep her and work with her to " become a bag baby" ( your words not mine) !!
Not one thing written has been lies, you just keep choosing you avoid the answer to the things that are factual and your cry me a river stories. How you can say Tammys is a ( cry me a river story , Tammy is a breeder who purchased a dog with breeding rights!! Izzy is a VERY YOUNG dog , still considered a PUPPY, if she was only 3 months old when she got her are you seriously saying that running and playing like dogs should caused her leg problems??? Again Educate yourself!! I do believe that Tammy has vet documentation!! Its pretty funny how you are so knowledgable in regards to Izzy!! Its to bad Izzy wasnt small enough for Tammy to STUFF in a purse perhaps then Izzy would not have leg problems HUH????
Angie you dont choose to answer the questions about FLIRTS price tag because you are hung up on her 2 pound size, its all about the money!! And YOU are to embarrassed to say so!! YOU ARE GREEEDDYYYYY!!!!! MONEY MOTIVATED TRYING TO PROFIT FROM A DOG!!
And do yourself a favor go to a dog show or better yet take a look at some of the show breeders dogs on this site, neither Flirt of her sister have the coat, size, or looks of ANY OF THIER dogs, and I have seen MANY of them sell DOGS who did not reach show size and they sell them for under 1000.
00 and they have BEAUTIFUL SILKY COATS, NO OVERBITE, PAPERS AND they are spayed or at the very least come with a spay contract... SO GET OVER YOURSELF WITH HER 2 pound size...

Your opinion was very well said. :thumbup: I noticed the 'hung up' on size too....and wish everyone would think VERY CAREFULLY when going for a tiny......READ ALL That may be involved in having one this small and even for those that aren't tiny - read and research. Yorkies are not cheap !

not to mention all the price fluctuations ...I understanding lowering a price - but not increasing a price on a whim or how things happen to be going at that particular time. We're talking about a living being. A good home should always be the motivating factor when selling puppies.

Tammy - Izzy is a doll - and yes - with VERY Curly hair - but I feel even sorrier that she has health issues - people don't fully understand how heartbreaking it is knowing your dog is or could be in pain - let alone the COST involved in treatment....They aren't something that these breeders should take lightly.

ps....I didn't see any 'poor me' posts by you Tammy - but I DID see them in the for sale ads....I feel bad for anyone dealing with health issues - but again - it shouldn't have a thing to do when placing a puppy. If someone has too much on their plate - maybe it's time to take a BREAK.

Angie, you are right....we have nothing else to say to eachother. I'm pretty sure my words and pictures say it all. I won't get into the back and forth nastiness that you seem to thrive on....plus, don't you think Brynstar and yourself have been summed up in a nutshell with just this one thread? :rolleyes:

Angie.
 

Well put.:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: