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Old 02-03-2010, 03:52 PM   #1
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Animal Smiley 049 Future Yorkie mommy needs advice

Can anyone give me advice on what to look for in finding my female baby? I am fairly new to YT, I have been enjoying reading about everyone’s babies and trying to educate myself as much as possible before I find my baby. One of the things I have noticed is that the more I look at the ad’s the more I worry if they are scams. I have read that these scams are really common. I have found some that I believe to be scams, but how do I know if it is real? There are ad’s that say puppies will be ready in three weeks, $150.00 non refundable lets you pick the puppy of your choice. How do I know they won’t up and move or change their mind? Some of the ad’s give phone numbers and e mail address’s but the phone number does not work.(KSL.com is one of our local sites but even the local online newspaper’s are full of questionable ad’s) Others claim to be local but the phone number isn’t or if you look deeper they are charging a shipping fee. I know there are reputable breeders out there but I can’t seem to find any local.
I see so many ad’s that say “Free for adoption” is this a way to charge for a different kind of fee? I look at some of these and I don’t see how or why they would advertise these puppy’s for free. I know I am full of questions but I would like to eventually breed my baby and want her registered. What do I need to walk away with when I get my puppy? Will they have an actual paper that allows me to register them at that time? I guess what I need are questions to ask the breeder. I probably want a lot on the budget I have. I have been rambling on, I apologize, I just have so many questions and can’t wait to share future experiences with you all. Can I ask some questions of you and maybe I can be better prepared when looking?
1. What do I need to ask the breeder for in registering the puppy
2. I want small but not so small she can’t breed, anyone know how many pounds she should be?
3. Any idea of a reasonable price of a small registered female?
4. Does anyone have any breeder names and numbers for Utah?
I know there are sites but most of them link to something else.
5. Does anyone understand these adoption ads, are any of them real and if so are their hidden fees elsewhere?

I am so excited at the prospect of finding my puppy!!! I have a name all picked out for her! (Celine) Okay yes I am a fan of Celine Dione but I have always loved the name!
Thank you so much!!!
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Old 02-05-2010, 07:56 PM   #2
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Here's a couple of thread on choosing a breeder: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...e-breeder.html

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...e-breeder.html.

I wasn't sure by your post if you were thinking about possibly breeding her. I don't know if you've bred dogs before, but yorkies have more problems than the bigger breeds, and if you are seriously dedicated on becoming a breeder, I suggest that you attend a few shows, and get to know some of the breeders personally. Most people suggest finding a mentor to guide you in choosing a breeding dog. Buying a pet is different than buying a breeder, but I still recommend that people go to the best breeder that they can find. I recommend talking with breeders who belong to the YTCA, they are the mother club of the AKC, and understand the problems and challenges that the Yorkshire terrier breed faces. Adoption is out of the question if you are planning to breed, they will insist that the puppy be spayed, but if you want a pet, adoption is a great way to go.
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Old 02-05-2010, 08:03 PM   #3
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um where to start.
You may find ads for free Yorkies. many will say there are no free Yorkies , But I have seen many my self. those Yorkies are not some thing you would want to use for breeding. those Yorkies are probably not the standard Yorkie. pet Yorkie only many of these Yorkies comes from homes that sadly just don't want the baby any more. or their income has changed or some thing like that.

In breeding you don't want to breed a Female under 5 lbs even then they may be at risk its best to have a vet check them out before even thinking of breeding. a breeding pair needs to be tested for many things best to do lots of research before breeding. and you will need money put away if some thing goes wrong.

Trying To Find the Right Breeder

A Task Easier Said Than Done


Signs of a Responsible Breeder:



1) They will answer a buyer's questions.

Do not be afraid to ask questions. A good breeder will expect this.



2) They guarantee their pups free of genetic diseases common in the yorkie breed and replace the pup if any such disease appears.



3) They allow the breeding females to recover sufficiently from one breeding before doing another.

Beware of breeders who always have puppies. This is a bad sign.



4) They keep puppies they cannot place.

They do NOT sell them to pet shops or puppy brokers.



5) They consider the puppies they produce to be their responsibility for the life of that puppy, so they follow-up with the homes of their dogs.



6) They care who they are selling their puppies to, and want to know as much about you as you want to know about them.



7) The breeder will give you written instructions for feeding and care of your puppy, as well as a period of time to have the puppy checked over by your own veterinarian.



8) They will be able to show you a clean environment where the puppies and adults are kept, as well as show you both the sire and dam of the litter.



9) They will require a spay/neuter contract for pet quality puppies.



10) They will provide you with all medical records for your puppy from their veterinarian.
Signs of a Bad Breeder, Puppy Broker, and/or Puppy Mill:



1) The seller doesn't ask any questions about yourself or how the puppy will be raised.

They don't care who they sell to, as long as they get the money...



2) The parents of the puppy are not on site.



3) The seller will not let you see the kennel.



4) The seller is breeding more than one breed of dog.

Huge red flag for puppy mills!



5) The seller always has puppies available.



6) The seller is not forthcoming about any genetic problems the breed might have, the names of previous puppy buyers, and/or vet references.



7) The seller is willing to place the puppy before ten weeks of age.

Especially dangerous for yorkies, that is the critical time for socialization with littermates.



8) The dogs are raised outdoors.



9) The seller says all of their pups are high quality.

Remember, there is no such thing as the perfect dog and no one has perfect lines.



10) Seller is not concerned whether or not buyers can afford to properly care for pups.



11) Does no genetic testing; ignorantly breeds defective animals or those which are carriers, thus, perpetuating disease in breed.



12) The "breeder" has no documentation and cannot provide a pedigree.



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This is were I went looking ( www.ytca.org) it's the Yorkshire Association Website. It's suppose to have good reputable breeder, you might want to confirm it with more knowledgeable persons.
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I'm not a breeder but based on what I've learned in the years of being here - no one can tell if a puppy is going to be good for breeding until they mature.

Most ethical breeders breed for quality and will hold back their potentials (if they show) but in all honesty - there are so many breeding now - most of the puppies being sold aren't breeding quality so you may want to really think thru this before you decide.

Also- if a yorkie is too small - it can be dangerous for her.

Some breeders can guesstimate size...but with all the people breeding out there now - you may find many telling you a puppy will stay small and in my OPINION - that's misleading & dishonest and only because they want your money.
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ps - there are TONS of scams out there - but you seem to know this - I just wanted to put it out there because some of them are VERY convincing. Just be very aware of that. It's always best to try to see the puppy in person before you hand over your money.
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My suggestion would be, since you are interested in acquiring a dog that you want to use for breeding purposes, would be to quit focusing your search on finding a "cheap dog." If anyone is selling a dog super cheap, then likely there are a lot of crucial corners being cut in the care of the dog while with the breeder. In other words, probably not the kind of person you'd want to get the dog from.

I would suggest, if you are interested in breeding RESPONSIBLY in the future, you do your research and educate yourself on the process BEFORE you actually acquire a dog. Find a breeding mentor to work with FIRST. That way, you will be able to make a more informed, educated decision when you are actually trying to select you foundation stock.
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Thank you all for your advice! Some of it was not what I wanted to hear, however I am happy that when answering questions they are not sugar coated. I found my puppy, I don't think she was a puppy mill. I think it was a houshhold with two puppies. They said it was her first batch. A few things send a red flag. One, I was told she was AKC registered and I would walk away with some papers. I was able to see the sire and Dams papers on the table. I asked for a copy and they said they would copy them and bring them after work. This was last thursday (nothing) They said they had applied for the batch and expected them in two week. I honestly think I will never see them. After readng storied on here I am not sure I really care. The Vet charted her to be at least 7 pounds full grown. The owners told me the mom and dad only weighed 2 pounds, but as luck would have it, they were not on sight. She is so much fun, she is 8 weeks and I named her Celine. I may not check into breeding her. I am learning so very much thanks to you all!
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Thank you all for your advice! Some of it was not what I wanted to hear, however I am happy that when answering questions they are not sugar coated. I found my puppy, I don't think she was a puppy mill. I think it was a houshhold with two puppies. They said it was her first batch. A few things send a red flag. One, I was told she was AKC registered and I would walk away with some papers. I was able to see the sire and Dams papers on the table. I asked for a copy and they said they would copy them and bring them after work. This was last thursday (nothing) They said they had applied for the batch and expected them in two week. I honestly think I will never see them. After readng storied on here I am not sure I really care. The Vet charted her to be at least 7 pounds full grown. The owners told me the mom and dad only weighed 2 pounds, but as luck would have it, they were not on sight. She is so much fun, she is 8 weeks and I named her Celine. I may not check into breeding her. I am learning so very much thanks to you all!
Oh congratulations, there's so much to learn when buying a new pup, I will tell you that 8 weeks is a little young for yorkies to leave their mothers, they have stopped nursing, but the mother and littermates teach them important skills, like inhibition of the biting reflex, that means the mother teaches them not bite too hard. You may have a few more problems with biting when she gets a little older, but there are many of us who can help you teach her this. Seven pounds is a great size, easy to carry and easy to bathe, but not so fragile. Celine is a beautiful name, and please do lots of research on breeding before you decide, it's not as easy as some people think, and can put Celine's health at risk if you don't know what you are doing.
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Hey, I also thought about breeding. I have two wonderful boys (but I'm pretty sure after research that one has pretty bad luxating patellas), one of which is AKC. I really wanted to breed, and started looking into what I needed to do in order to use my boys as studs or buy a female to breed to my akc boy. I cannot tell you how many hours I spent reading and talking to breeders...long story short, we have decided to fix the boys and begin fostering dogs as soon as we buy and get settled into a house. My view on it was why should I create more puppies when I could spend just as much time saving the lives of some of those who would otherwise be killed - simply because there are too many dogs and too few homes, you know? My husband and I are in the process of buying a home (we just need to find the right one and make an offer), so I will hopefully have my first foster in about 8 months to a year. I am so excited!!! I'm hoping and guessing that fostering will fulfill my needs to care for animals, and I cannot wait for that feeling when my fosters find their forever homes, and I will have made a difference in that animal's life. I would maybe consider fostering instead of breeding, but only you will be able to decide that. If you do decide to breed, I urge you to do your research, and prepare yourself as much as possible!
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Hey, I also thought about breeding. I have two wonderful boys (but I'm pretty sure after research that one has pretty bad luxating patellas), one of which is AKC. I really wanted to breed, and started looking into what I needed to do in order to use my boys as studs or buy a female to breed to my akc boy. I cannot tell you how many hours I spent reading and talking to breeders...long story short, we have decided to fix the boys and begin fostering dogs as soon as we buy and get settled into a house. My view on it was why should I create more puppies when I could spend just as much time saving the lives of some of those who would otherwise be killed - simply because there are too many dogs and too few homes, you know? My husband and I are in the process of buying a home (we just need to find the right one and make an offer), so I will hopefully have my first foster in about 8 months to a year. I am so excited!!! I'm hoping and guessing that fostering will fulfill my needs to care for animals, and I cannot wait for that feeling when my fosters find their forever homes, and I will have made a difference in that animal's life. I would maybe consider fostering instead of breeding, but only you will be able to decide that. If you do decide to breed, I urge you to do your research, and prepare yourself as much as possible!


Great post and what a great suggestion about fostering!
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