Biewer & Parti-Yorkie---difference?
 

:confused: Can someone enlighten me on what the difference is between a biewer and a parti-yorkie, please. I'm just curiosity, as I just looked at a thread that had the parti yorkied and I don't know what the difference is between the two. Thanks!

A parti-yorkie is an akc registered yorkie that cannot be shown in the ring.

A Biewer is a rare breed dog. Registered either in the U.S. or Germany. Come look at the Biewer Breed Club of America for complete information: Biewer Breed Club of America Inc. BBCA

Also do a search here on YT as there has been a lot of discussion about Biewers and Partis.

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I might be wrong but I have been told that a parti is a gentic defect. I thought about buying a parti before I bought my Biewer but wasn't sure I wanted to breed for a defect.

Both are beuatiful!

Thank you, this really helps. I wasn't familar with these breeds but I absolutely love the Biewer. :) I think if I decide to get Zhoie a companion, it will have to be a Biewer. One last question...why are they not AKC?

LOL I don't think I'd call it a "DEFECT"
The AKC classifies it as a "color fault" .

Oh my goodness ... You were misinformed that the parti colored yorkie is a result of a "genetic defect". The recessive genes for the parti color, have been in some of our dogs since the beginning of the breed, the gene is called the piebald gene.

The parti color is not a result of a defective, mutated or compromised gene as some genetically challenged/uneducated people have led you to believe, it's the result of a well known gene that produces white markings.

You need both mother and father to carry this spotting gene in order to produce the parti color, if only one parent carries the gene they will look traditional colored. If the carrier breeds to a non carrier, all of their pups will look traditional in color but 1/2 of the litter will carry the piebald gene, the other half did not receive a copy of the gene from their parti gene carrying parent. This can go on for many, many, many years and generations and will go undiscovered until the carrier offspring is bred to another parti gene carrier ... and than SURPRISE! :eek:

I am no Biewer expert ... but depending on which Biewer group you talk to, the Biewer is the same as a parti colored yorkie, in that they were produced from two traditional colored yorkshire terrier parents who both carried the parti gene. Unfortunately, this color was denied registration with their foreign kennel registry, so a club was started with their own registry, which allowed the parti colored biewers to be registered.

Sue, I was also going to mention this about how some Biewer breeders believe them to be the same as the parti. No, the parti colored Yorkie is not a defect. :)

So if they both carry the same gene...then whats the true difference?
One is symmetrical and the other can be asymmetrical?:questione

I am one who believes they are the same dog, only one originated in Germany and the other in the US. One has a tail one does not. ;)

Brenda~

Haven't they been traced back to some of the same dogs? I thought I had read that on YT recently.

Yup I have read some of the posts and I am sure someone can come on and tell all the details better than I, but you are right!

While the original breeding pairs of yorkshire terriers may have come from the same kennel....how the lines were bred afterward is vastly different. Mr Biewer selectively bred his dogs for 5 years and set the phenotype for the standard. There isn't any set standard for parti yorkies.

If one is breeding to maintain the heritage of the dogs and lines...both sides of a pedigree trace back to Mr. Biewer's two original pairs...Fufu and Darling.

I am not an expert by any sense at all... I have copied this from Fantasy Yorkies and Pinehaven site... just to help people understand the parti yorkies coloring...
The Parti gene can only be expressed if a parti gene carrier is bred to another parti gene carrier. A carrier will look like a traditional colored Yorkie but is born with maybe some white on it's chin, chest and/or feet. In this case where a parti carrier is bred to another parti carrier, 25% of the offspring will be traditional Yorkies (not carrying the gene), 50% will be traditional colored Yorkies who do carry the recessive parti gene and 25% of the offspring will be actual Parti colored dogs. AKC has allowed Parti colored Yorkies to be eligible for registration since 2000. Prior to that time, parti colored offspring were normally given away without papers or destroyed (yes, destroyed). I know of several breeders who have destroyed a litter of "surprise" parti colored pups.
The most prolific known line of Parti Yorkies is the "California line" or Nikko's line. These dogs are all descendants of an AKC Champion named Nikko's Rolls Royce Ashley. Two dedicated breeders in California, fought to get this line of Parti colored Yorkies, registered by AKC. This line of Parti carriers and Parti colored Yorkies comes from a well known show breeder who's been breeding and showing for over 40 years. Forty-two litters and generations of dogs from this line were DNA'd prior to AKC's approval of registration.
The Yorkshire Terriers breed standards have changed over the years. The "Standard" color is blue and tan, any other color is considered to be "Off Standard." Until the new color disqualification rule went into effect, off standard colored, black and tan and black and gold yorkies have entered the show ring and won their champion status. Standards have changed and not only do we now have smaller sized dogs than in the late 1800's, but some of our "off standard," darker coated dogs have been allowed into the show ring. "
I have bred Yorkies for many years...many times having pups born with white on the chest, up the chin and sometimes on the tips of the toes. The AKC even states that up to a certain amount of white showing is allowed on pups. So, if white is allowed in certain amounts then it goes to show that there must be the piebald gene in there. Like the other colorings...blue born pups, chocolates and goldens....they are all in there from way back when and do pop up from time to time. I think all Yorkies no matter the color or whatever people decide to call them are just beautiful!!! Just my opinion of course....

The parti yorkies standard with the exception of color, is the same as any AKC Yorkshire Terrier. The same standards holds true for any AKC yorkshire terrier that isn't the ideal shade of steel blue and tan and there is only a small percentage of Yorkshire terriers that actually meet the YTCA's standards for correct/ideal dark steel blue and tan coat coloring.

Oh but there is a set standard for the Parti Yorkshire terrier, It is a Yorkshire terrier and goes by that standard except for color.
The original Biewer standard was also using the same standard as the yorkie except for color.
For the life of me I still cannot understand how you get a whole different breed when the foundation of it is years and years of Yorkshire terrier, nothing but yorkies.
Fru and Darling were Yorkshire terriers that thru a parti colored pup, The VDH denied the acceptance of the dogs as being a breed of their own. They instead designated them as being of “wrong color, not for breeding”.So he set out to find someone who would register them as a separate breed, He called them the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier A La Pom Pon
He got them registered with the ACH.
Even he knew they were yorkshire terriers, Just a different color. Had they been allowed registry into the VDH they would have been parti colored yorkshire terriers.

and that is the best way Ive seen in explained yet. :thumbup: no genetics talk, just plain and simple..thank you...:)

Thanks to all, this is very good info. So, if I want to get a companion for Zhoie, I could get a parti yorkie, simply because I love the coloring. She is a year old the 25th and I would be looking for one that is anticipated to be about that size...I'm really excited now. If I can only find a good breeder in my area, wish me luck!

:confused::confused::D After reading all that I still dont know the difference except for the Biewer has a tail, the Parti does not:) Either way they are Beautiful:)

QUOTE=Breezeaway;2961714]Oh but there is a set standard for the Parti Yorkshire terrier, It is a Yorkshire terrier and goes by that standard except for color.
The original Biewer standard was also using the same standard as the yorkie except for color.
For the life of me I still cannot understand how you get a whole different breed when the foundation of it is years and years of Yorkshire terrier, nothing but yorkies.
Fru and Darling were Yorkshire terriers that thru a parti colored pup, The VDH denied the acceptance of the dogs as being a breed of their own. They instead designated them as being of “wrong color, not for breeding”.So he set out to find someone who would register them as a separate breed, He called them the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier A La Pom Pon
He got them registered with the ACH.
Even he knew they were yorkshire terriers, Just a different color. Had they been allowed registry into the VDH they would have been parti colored yorkshire terriers.[/QUOTE]

Exactomundo!! We have a winner!! :D

This is it folks...plain and simple!! Thanks Deb!!

According to who? It's not recognized by the YTCA or AKC?

I understand the point you are trying to make, but there is no standard for the Parti Yorkie. If you feel I am incorrect in that statement, then please point out where ont eh AKC or YTC website it can be looked up. I realize that most Parti breeders follow the standard for the YT, with the exception of color, but currently there is no recognized standard set for this variation of the breed. The only standard for Yorkie currently only includes the blue/gold combo...no others.

Not meaning to step on toes here, but it can be a bit misleading to someone just learning about Partis to be told there is a standard for them when there really isn't, other than what Parti breeders have elected to follow. :)

Apparently it is recgonized by the AKC otherwise they wouldn't allow the color to be registered? YTCA writes the standards and AKC just lists the breed clubs written standards on their site.

Not stepping on any toes - we're good ;)

Maybe you could tell us where the written standards are for the color variations of black and gold, light silver and tan, blue and red, blue and tan with intermingled dark hairs ... well, basically about 80% of the yorkie population that doesn't meet the dark steel blue and tan standards ... if there is a written standard for those other off colors, than I guess parti would fall into their written standards? :)

Bottom line is that AKC registered parti colored yorkshire terrier ARE Yorkshire terriers, and they are just as off colored as a black and gold according to the YTCA's standards for color.

I wasn't stating that the color variation wasn't recognized by them. Of course it is or they wouldn't be registerable. I was pointing out that a standard for partis isn't recognized by them. And it's not. I stand by what I stated...there is no set and recognized standard for parti Yorkies.


Just as I always state, I agree that a large majority of Yorkies do not fit every single aspect called for by the standard. No argument there. I believe most are aware than lots of dogs are produced that don't meet the standard. I even already stated that the other colors you mentioned did not have a standard as well...which is the truth.
However, that was not the point of my post. My point was to correct the mistatement that there is a standard for Partis, when in fact there isn't. :)

Sometimes statements that people make are just that...statements of fact...not challenges. Why they are always treated as such is still a mystery to me. Stating that there is no standard for Partis is just that...a statment of fact.

Misty~

I get what you are trying to say, but the parti is not a variation of the breed. It is a COLOR variation within the breed. The parti is still a Yorkshire Terrier, just tri-colred.

You are completely missing the point when it is stated that there is a standard for the parti. We are saying that there is NOT a seperate standard because the parti is still a purebred Yorkshire Terrier...so the 'standard' is the same as it is for any other color Yorkie.

No, I'm not missing the point. The "standard" you refer to is just what you gals have elected to follow when breeding, not 'standard' actually recognized by the AKC or any other organization. Again, I stand by my statement, which is really farily simple and factual unless one is just looking for arguemnt: There is NO SET and RECOGNIZED standard for a Parti Yorkie. If there was, it would be on AKC's site. So you state there is a standard, again I ask the question: According to who?

I am glad that you understood what I was trying to say.

Being corrected for saying "a varation OF the breed" instead of a "variation WITHIN the breed..."
Seriously? A bit ridiculous and far fetched. I don't see where ANYONE, myself or anyone else every made any suggestion at all that Partis were anything BUT Yorkshire Terrier without the typical standard coloring. So why was that even neccessary? Potato, Pa-tah-toe. There is no difference in the two phrases.

Actually, if you are saying that we, parti breeders, do not have a standard to follow than you are indeed saying that the parti is not a Yorkshire Terrier. You can't have it both ways...you say that we don't have a standard, but then you turn around and say that you do believe the parti to be a Yorkie. Then tell me, why in the world do you think that the parti breeders should follow a seperate standard than any other color of Yorkie?? :confused:

The standard for the Parti yorkie is the Yorkshire Terrier Standard, the Parti is not a breed by itself so therefore it does not have a standard separate from the Yorkshire terrier standard. If it had a separate standard than the yorkshire terrier then it wouldn't be a yorkshire terrier.
The parti yorkie is a just a color variation of the yorkie not a breed. You cant have 2 breed standards for colors, the cocker spaniel doesnt have separate standards for their variation of colors

That's just it...you are NOT breeding to the set YT standard--you are following a standard with modifications. There is no set standard for YTs that includes parti coloring.

....WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COLOR. So therefore, the YT standard is NOT the standard for Partis, even if only in that aspect.

It really IS a pretty simple concept. The YT standard calls for blue/gold, nothing else. Partis do not meet that aspect of the standard. So it cannot be said that the YT standard is the standard for Partis. There is no recognized standard that allows for parti coloring.

They are AKC registered as Parti colored Yorkshire Terriers, so there is your standard.